GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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fskimospy

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Not that I know of but I'm sure that they will be here to cheer it when it passes.

There is an article on CNN that basically states that this will open up 50 new healthcare debates (each state) and that's something that I alluded to in an earlier post - 50 different healthcare plans - especially Medicaid paid versions.

Oh, and it pisses me off to no end that Alaska and Hawaii are being offered premium support to help people buy insurance. Outright pure bribery by the GOP. The fact that they threw Hawaii in there has no bearing on the fact that it's simply a bribe to get the Alaska senator to a yes vote.

Think about just how fucked up that is. They are trying to get Murkowski to repeal the ACA by basically exempting her state from the repeal. ie: the only way they think they can get someone to get rid of this 'horrible' law is if they get to keep the horrible law. That's about the most cynical reason I've ever heard for a piece of legislation. Absolutely shameful.
 

K1052

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Think about just how fucked up that is. They are trying to get Murkowski to repeal the ACA by basically exempting her state from the repeal. ie: the only way they think they can get someone to get rid of this 'horrible' law is if they get to keep the horrible law. That's about the most cynical reason I've ever heard for a piece of legislation. Absolutely shameful.

It remains to be seen if Murkowski will be swayed by this approach. She openly rebuffed a previous payoff attempt on the basis that it was bad for the country and would, eventually, be bad for Alaska too.

She owes the GOP leadership nothing, isn't up until 2022, received considerable local acclaim for rejecting the last proposal, the bill still has stuff she doesn't like (defunding PP), and to give in now would require a near total reversal of her stated positions. I don't think it's impossible she would flip it just doesn't look super likely.
 

FIVR

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I really hope this passes. This is the healthcare system americans deserve for voting trump into office. Our country needs to go to shit and everyone needs to suffer a lot so we all remember what happens when we vote for republicans.
 

shortylickens

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I really hope this passes. This is the healthcare system americans deserve for voting trump into office. Our country needs to go to shit and everyone needs to suffer a lot so we all remember what happens when we vote for republicans.

I dunno, Americans have suffered a lot for dumb decisions up until now and they seem to never learn. In fact they get a little dumber each year. Its kinda scary.
 

fskimospy

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It remains to be seen if Murkowski will be swayed by this approach. She openly rebuffed a previous payoff attempt on the basis that it was bad for the country and would, eventually, be bad for Alaska too.

She owes the GOP leadership nothing, isn't up until 2022, received considerable local acclaim for rejecting the last proposal, the bill still has stuff she doesn't like (defunding PP), and to give in now would require a near total reversal of her stated positions. I don't think it's impossible she would flip it just doesn't look super likely.

I agree that if I had to bet I would say this would be insufficient but the fact that they are even offering it is absolutely disgusting. It makes it absolutely clear that they know the bill is bad because they are exempting people from it in order to get them to vote to screw everyone else over.
 

Puffnstuff

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I'm curious how the Rs from the red states that expanded Medicaid or had lots of people sign up for insurance who are getting f'd by this plan will take AK getting a get out of jail free card.

Also the conservatives could be a problem...
Some of them will have buyers once reality bitch slaps them around a little bit. I'm stunned by most of them and their unwillingness to accept the facts that are before them. Blaming Hillary, Obama along with anything but the actual cause is their MO and it really frustrates me.
 

K1052

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I agree that if I had to bet I would say this would be insufficient but the fact that they are even offering it is absolutely disgusting. It makes it absolutely clear that they know the bill is bad because they are exempting people from it in order to get them to vote to screw everyone else over.

Kind of hard to remember all the way back in the summer that none other than Lindsay Graham was decrying precisely this kind of bribery and that engaging in it would loose his vote. LOL.
 

fskimospy

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Kind of hard to remember all the way back in the summer that none other than Lindsay Graham was decrying precisely this kind of bribery and that engaging in it would loose his vote. LOL.

According to reports ostensibly from GOP staffers Graham doesn’t even understand what the bill does.
 

SMOGZINN

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I really hope this passes. This is the healthcare system americans deserve for voting trump into office. Our country needs to go to shit and everyone needs to suffer a lot so we all remember what happens when we vote for republicans.

That might be able to work for an individual, but people don't learn. As a group we forget so fast it makes goldfish seem wise. If the GOP does manage to do considerable damage they will just blame someone else. If all else fails they will toss a few sacrificial goats under a bus (This was Trumps plan! We couldn't do a good plan because of him!), stir up anger over a minority group (it didn't work because the damn Mexicans stole all our healthcare!), tell us they have a sure fire plan to fix everything (Cut taxes on the rich and they will contribute enough to make up for the lost healthcare!) and people will vote for them again (because lets face it, most people are stupid.)
 
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Blackjack200

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May 28, 2007
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This bill is what all these people deserve. I hope they get it.

No one deserves to be sick and unable to get treatment. I posted those to illustrate how broken our society is. These people are the product of a culture that celebrates selfishness, greed, and materialism. A culture that blames people for their circumstances and seeks to punish them rather than help them.
 

Jaskalas

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No one deserves to be sick and unable to get treatment. I posted those to illustrate how broken our society is. These people are the product of a culture that celebrates selfishness, greed, and materialism. A culture that blames people for their circumstances and seeks to punish them rather than help them.

It is up to the progressives to say no more to this status quo of misery and human suffering. We can offer a better deal, a new deal.
 

woolfe9998

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Given the silence of Murkowski, Collins and McCain so far on this, I'm concerned that at least one of them will succumb to the pressure and they'll end up getting it passed. While it may hurt the GOP more politically to pass it than to not pass it, I'd rather not see millions of people lose their health insurance, so I'm hoping it doesn't pass but I've got a bad feeling about it this time.
 

sandorski

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Allegedly the Bill also bans States from attempting to make their own Single Payer systems. So don't worry guys, this new HC plan has to be awesome!
 

Puffnstuff

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Given the silence of Murkowski, Collins and McCain so far on this, I'm concerned that at least one of them will succumb to the pressure and they'll end up getting it passed. While it may hurt the GOP more politically to pass it than to not pass it, I'd rather not see millions of people lose their health insurance, so I'm hoping it doesn't pass but I've got a bad feeling about it this time.
Sadly enough I believe that this steaming pile of bullsh!t will actually pass this time.
 

FIVR

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No one deserves to be sick and unable to get treatment. I posted those to illustrate how broken our society is. These people are the product of a culture that celebrates selfishness, greed, and materialism. A culture that blames people for their circumstances and seeks to punish them rather than help them.

I can think of lots of people who deserve that. Trump, his family, his friends. Paul Manafort. MANY people deserve that.


It is not a problem with "our culture"... it is a problem with republican culture. They deserve this bill and I hope they get it. They deserve to FEEL what its like to be screwed over by their government for real. They haven't suffered, so they haven't learned. Let them suffer.
 

ivwshane

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Allegedly the Bill also bans States from attempting to make their own Single Payer systems. So don't worry guys, this new HC plan has to be awesome!

Would that be constitutional? When California passed stricter emission standards it was held that their stricter then federal standards was legal. I don't see how the federal government could bar states from creating their own health care system.
 

K1052

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According to reports ostensibly from GOP staffers Graham doesn’t even understand what the bill does.

I don't think he cares. He's somehow seen this vehicle as the thing that will keep single payer at bay forever, somehow.

An exceptionally dubious point of view IMO. If anything this could actually hasten it's arrival.
 

FIVR

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Single payer will NEVER happen until thousands and thousand of americans have died as a result of the "free market" healthcare system. Right now people think things are expensive... but they still have healthcare. They aren't dead. When they die, they'll learn.

Give them the system they desire. Let them learn the truth about the "free market": it cares for nobodies health. The market does not care if you die.
 

K1052

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Given the silence of Murkowski, Collins and McCain so far on this, I'm concerned that at least one of them will succumb to the pressure and they'll end up getting it passed. While it may hurt the GOP more politically to pass it than to not pass it, I'd rather not see millions of people lose their health insurance, so I'm hoping it doesn't pass but I've got a bad feeling about it this time.

This is how it was last time, though now with the addition of Rand Paul cheerfully pissing into the GOP's punch bowl.

I'm not ready to lay bets yet. If they thought they had the votes they would have voted.
 

K1052

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Single payer will NEVER happen until thousands and thousand of americans have died as a result of the "free market" healthcare system. Right now people think things are expensive... but they still have healthcare. They aren't dead. When they die, they'll learn.

Give them the system they desire. Let them learn the truth about the "free market": it cares for nobodies health. The market does not care if you die.

I'd like to think we can avoid such sacrifices. I guess we'll find out.
 
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