GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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kage69

Lifer
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Provided they do what Trump stated:
Lower cost
Lower deductibles
More people insured
Keep the popular like no exemptions, no spending caps, longer coverage for kids

I really look forward to it!

Actually, he said everyone. Better coverage than now, you get to pick your doctors, and plenty of options to choose from.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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So, you are you on board with the changes necessary? If I recall, the battlecry was "repeal and replace (day 1 too, wasn't it?)
Yes, I am on board with the changes that are absolutely necessary to keep the whole thing from collapsing. What we have now is unsustainable. And as far as repeal and replace, evidently you have been conditioned to fear that term. There is nothing sinister about it. The law as it stands now is so complex that repeal may be the only option before replace. The media might like you to think that there will be repeal and then... nothing. Repeal will not happen without replacement. Republicans have said this over and over and over. And it had to be Republicans saying it because Democrats have made it clear that they are not, by choice, going to get involved. Which circles me right back to my saying that Democrats feel the legislation is perfection as it is. They could have stated their intentions to get involved in the process to make it sustainable and better but instead they have chosen to stay on the sidelines and act like children.

Here's something you'll have that you didn't in the first go round. You'll know about the details beforehand. There will be no middle of the night votes and no statements that we must pass the bill so that we can find out what's in it.

The brain dead leftists among us will hate it, protest it, wear pussy hats, march wearing female genitalia costumes, cry, weep, and all the other infantile shit that they do but the smart ones will already have an understanding of the dire situation we are facing concerning healthcare and will therefore look at it objectively while understanding that it too, may not be perfect and will take future tweaking down the road. You are of course free to choose which side of that works best for you. Remember too, that if Democrats in Congress don't get involved in the process that they have made a choice and you are not obligated to support that choice.

Republicans and conservatives are not the evil people the media and perhaps your education have taught you to believe. Only you can decide whether it's best to have an ideological enemy that fulfills some need or if it's better to have a partner with different viewpoints that you can work with.
 
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Yes, I am on board with the changes that are absolutely necessary to keep the whole thing from collapsing. What we have now is unsustainable. And as far as repeal and replace, evidently you have been conditioned to fear that term. There is nothing sinister about it. The law as it stands now is so complex that repeal may be the only option before replace. The media might like you to think that there will be repeal and then... nothing. Repeal will not happen without replacement. Republicans have said this over and over and over. And it had to be Republicans saying it because Democrats have made it clear that they are not, by choice, going to get involved. Which circles me right back to my saying that Democrats feel the legislation is perfection as it is. They could have stated their intentions to get involved in the process to make it sustainable and better but instead they have chosen to stay on the sidelines and act like children.

Here's something you'll have that you didn't in the first go round. You'll know about the details beforehand. There will be no middle of the night votes and no statements that we must pass the bill so that we can find out what's in it.

The brain dead leftists among us will hate it, protest it, wear pussy hats, march wearing female genitalia costumes, cry, weep, and all the other infantile shit that they do but the smart ones will already have an understanding of the dire situation we are facing concerning healthcare and will therefore look at it objectively while understanding that it too, may not be perfect and will take future tweaking down the road. You are of course free to choose which side of that works best for you. Remember too, that if Democrats in Congress don't get involved in the process that they have made a choice and you are not obligated to support that choice.

Republicans and conservatives are not the evil people the media and perhaps your education have taught you to believe. Only you can decide whether it's best to have an ideological enemy that fulfills some need or if it's better to have a partner with different viewpoints that you can work with.

Sounds like you're getting ready for a replacement that's worse by starting off saying what we have is unsustainable
Just join us, we don't have to agree how its done, expect something better not something that's cheap enough
 

boomerang

Lifer
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Sounds like you're getting ready for a replacement that's worse by starting off saying what we have is unsustainable
Just join us, we don't have to agree how its done, expect something better not something that's cheap enough
You, probably more than most here should be capable of facing reality. Your earlier post quoting me in this thread reads pretty much like the following.

I already have six toys. You're not going to take away those six and you're not going to alter those six. You're going to give me more toys even though you're going to have to find a way to spend less doing it. I want more for less and I won't accept anything different.

That's not reality and that's about as plainly as I can explain it. But it does bring right out into the open the monumental polarization that exists in the nation. Reality? We don't need no stinkin' reality. I've got people I voted for that promised me that I would get these things because I deserve them! Best of luck with that.
 
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You, probably more than most here should be capable of facing reality. Your earlier post quoting me in this thread reads pretty much like the following.

I already have six toys. You're not going to take away those six and you're not going to alter those six. You're going to give me more toys even though you're going to have to find a way to spend less doing it. I want more for less and I won't accept anything different.

That's not reality and that's about as plainly as I can explain it. But it does bring right out into the open the monumental polarization that exists in the nation. Reality? We don't need no stinkin' reality. I've got people I voted for that promised me that I would get these things because I deserve them! Best of luck with that.

My points are, we pay the most in the world and we get mediocre results. We deserve better. We also have a President that undeniably said the previous things. We both know Bernie & Trump made some pretty big claims about healthcare without any specific plans (please let's keep the discussion to our current President). I really want change, that means some combination of cheaper insurance, less confusion, better insurance and nearly everyone insured. I'll support anyone who can accomplish this. Their party is irrelevant.
 
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cyclohexane

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Feb 12, 2005
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My points are, we pay the most in the world and we get mediocre results. We deserve better. We also have a President that undeniably said the previous things. We both know Bernie & Trump made some pretty big claims about healthcare without any specific plans (please let's keep the discussion to our current President). I really want change, that means some combination of cheaper insurance, less confusion, better insurance and nearly everyone insured. I'll support anyone who can accomplish this. Their party is irrelevant.

There should not be any insurance. Insurance is for shit that may or may not happen.

Health problems and disease is 100% guaranteed to affect everyone. We need to have nationalized healthcare, and pay for it by jacking up taxes.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Yes, I am on board with the changes that are absolutely necessary to keep the whole thing from collapsing. What we have now is unsustainable. And as far as repeal and replace, evidently you have been conditioned to fear that term. There is nothing sinister about it. The law as it stands now is so complex that repeal may be the only option before replace. The media might like you to think that there will be repeal and then... nothing. Repeal will not happen without replacement. Republicans have said this over and over and over. And it had to be Republicans saying it because Democrats have made it clear that they are not, by choice, going to get involved. Which circles me right back to my saying that Democrats feel the legislation is perfection as it is. They could have stated their intentions to get involved in the process to make it sustainable and better but instead they have chosen to stay on the sidelines and act like children.

Here's something you'll have that you didn't in the first go round. You'll know about the details beforehand. There will be no middle of the night votes and no statements that we must pass the bill so that we can find out what's in it.

The brain dead leftists among us will hate it, protest it, wear pussy hats, march wearing female genitalia costumes, cry, weep, and all the other infantile shit that they do but the smart ones will already have an understanding of the dire situation we are facing concerning healthcare and will therefore look at it objectively while understanding that it too, may not be perfect and will take future tweaking down the road. You are of course free to choose which side of that works best for you. Remember too, that if Democrats in Congress don't get involved in the process that they have made a choice and you are not obligated to support that choice.

Republicans and conservatives are not the evil people the media and perhaps your education have taught you to believe. Only you can decide whether it's best to have an ideological enemy that fulfills some need or if it's better to have a partner with different viewpoints that you can work with.

Post-truth all the way. Perhaps you forgot the last 8 years, and this-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHV4nDS501Y
 

hardhat

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Yes, I am on board with the changes that are absolutely necessary to keep the whole thing from collapsing. What we have now is unsustainable. And as far as repeal and replace, evidently you have been conditioned to fear that term. There is nothing sinister about it. The law as it stands now is so complex that repeal may be the only option before replace. The media might like you to think that there will be repeal and then... nothing. Repeal will not happen without replacement. Republicans have said this over and over and over. And it had to be Republicans saying it because Democrats have made it clear that they are not, by choice, going to get involved. Which circles me right back to my saying that Democrats feel the legislation is perfection as it is. They could have stated their intentions to get involved in the process to make it sustainable and better but instead they have chosen to stay on the sidelines and act like children.

Here's something you'll have that you didn't in the first go round. You'll know about the details beforehand. There will be no middle of the night votes and no statements that we must pass the bill so that we can find out what's in it.

The brain dead leftists among us will hate it, protest it, wear pussy hats, march wearing female genitalia costumes, cry, weep, and all the other infantile shit that they do but the smart ones will already have an understanding of the dire situation we are facing concerning healthcare and will therefore look at it objectively while understanding that it too, may not be perfect and will take future tweaking down the road. You are of course free to choose which side of that works best for you. Remember too, that if Democrats in Congress don't get involved in the process that they have made a choice and you are not obligated to support that choice.

Republicans and conservatives are not the evil people the media and perhaps your education have taught you to believe. Only you can decide whether it's best to have an ideological enemy that fulfills some need or if it's better to have a partner with different viewpoints that you can work with.

1. Democrats have again and again stated the law is not perfect and would like to have improved it. It is Republicans who refused to work with them. And refusing to support Republican options does not in any way mean that Democrats think the law is perfect. It just means that Democrats think the Republican options are worse than what we have now. Since the R's are in power now, they get to do what they want. This is very obvious. If R's want the D's help to remove the current law, they will have to come up with something that D's think is better.
2. I agree healthcare spending in this country is unsustainable. But neither the ACA nor the current R proposals are addressing the reasons it is unsustainable. To actually lower costs per capita, the realistic options are:
a. single payer
b. nationalized healthcare in some form (does not necessarily mean the government would own all providers. It could mean everyone is on a Medicare or Medicaid type system)
c. removal of restrictions on international sale of drugs
d. reform of drug patents
e. reform of restrictions on number of doctors being taught
f. new mandatory programs to promote preventative medicine and mandatory screenings
I don't feel that interstate insurance will offer much if any actual savings due to states having their own systems of regulation for insurance.
The ACA doesn't address any of that. The only cost savings would have been through limitations on insurance profit margins. But the ACA does some good things, such as getting rid of denials for preexisting conditions and lifetime limits.
3. Yet again, saying the D's are responsible for not helping the R's to get rid of the ACA is asinine. Thanks to the ACA 10+M people have insurance. Insurance companies cannot kick you because you get cancer. And a slew of other positive things. If the republicans abandon those people, don't expect democrat support. That failure will be of their own making.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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It really doesn't matter what they put up at this point. It will be compared to the ACA to the point where we will all be sick of it.
 
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I've heard the above or similar frequently from conservative guys since Friday morning was there a strategy meeting on Thursday? Seems strange how none of them talk repeal and replace any longer and they hedge their offering by saying "it will help some" or "it's complicated to improve for all"
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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It really doesn't matter what they put up at this point. It will be compared to the ACA to the point where we will all be sick of it.

Why does this seem to be a problem for you? Isn't it logical to compare the projected effects of changes to the healthcare system to the current system in place?

The ACA is far from perfect but it is an improvement over what was in place before from the standpoint of the number of people with health coverage.
 
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senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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I have a theological question for my fellow Americans who happen to be Christian. If you vote to take away your own health insurance and end up dying prematurely as a result, is that suicide and can you still go to heaven in your belief system?
 
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I have a theological question for my fellow Americans who happen to be Christian. If you vote to take away your own health insurance and end up dying prematurely as a result, is that suicide and can you still go to heaven in your belief system?

You only get into southern Jesus heaven. It is a magical place of trailer parks and 30 year old trucks on blocks. Budweiser and govt cheese rain like mana from above.
 
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I have a theological question for my fellow Americans who happen to be Christian. If you vote to take away your own health insurance and end up dying prematurely as a result, is that suicide and can you still go to heaven in your belief system?
You'd probably be judged upon enriching yourself while ignoring those in need but motivations are more important in these discussions. We can legitimately say most of our conservative posters firmly believe it would be a help to those in need.
 
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Jhhnn

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You only get into southern Jesus heaven. It is a magical place of trailer parks and 30 year old trucks on blocks. Budweiser and govt cheese rain like mana from above.

White lightning comes in 55 gal drums, free percocets & desoxyns come in gallon jars, too. It's impossible to kill yourself with an OD because you're already dead!
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
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Whatever happens, the health insurance companies and the rest of the for profit health care industry will get their pound of flesh. And with the Repubs in complete control, it will be in a very meaningful kind of way.

The devil will be buried in the details as usual, UNLESS the Repubs treat this monkey on their backs as a loss leader to take the heat off of themselves and make themselves seem caring and compassionate while they reward themselves for it by giving themselves and their wealthy sponsors more tax cuts, more loopholes and more corporate welfare.

Keep a careful watch on the deficit stats and see if the Repubs really meant what they said about it. lol
 
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Jhhnn

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Keep a careful watch on the deficit stats and see if the Repubs really meant what they said about it. lol

Repubs love deficits caused by tax cuts & military adventurism. Reagan/GHWB quadrupled the debt. GWB doubled it again & blew up the economy at the same time.

They'll be aiming to finish off the middle class as we know it & cripple the govt with debt this go-round.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Repubs love deficits caused by tax cuts & military adventurism. Reagan/GHWB quadrupled the debt. GWB doubled it again & blew up the economy at the same time.

They'll be aiming to finish off the middle class as we know it & cripple the govt with debt this go-round.

And then they have the gall to complain about the spiraling deficit they had a significant hand in causing, as if the Dems were the ones who prevented them from reducing it.

To top that all off, the GOP's working class constituents actually buy into the big lie and then hail the GOP's efforts toward giving the very wealthy ever more riches while denouncing those essential federal programs that give them a well deserved piece of the federal pie.

I mean, a working stiff can't get any more indoctrinated into the plutocratic ideology that dictates that they are to serve the rich and deny themselves everything they actually deserve to have, can they?
 
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senseamp

Lifer
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My prediction is that things will get worse for the Trump base, health wise, and premature death rates will continue to rise.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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So when do we get to hear about this Continuous Coverage Incentive?
 

Jhhnn

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My prediction is that things will get worse for the Trump base, health wise, and premature death rates will continue to rise.

Yes, yes- But it's all about the manliness, the in your face who gives a fuck chest puffing bullshit they love so much. It's all about the delicious liberal tears.
 
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Jhhnn

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So when do we get to hear about this Continuous Coverage Incentive?

That's wonderful spin, huh? If your coverage lapses for any reason then pre-existing conditions can be excluded from coverage. The only incentive in that is fear.

Under the ACA in states w/ the medicaid expansion coverage should never lapse. People can go seamlessly from employer sponsored plans to a subsidized exchange plan & medicaid if things get bad enough for 'em.
 
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That's wonderful spin, huh? If your coverage lapses for any reason then pre-existing conditions can be excluded from coverage. The only incentive in that is fear.

Under the ACA in states w/ the medicaid expansion coverage should never lapse. People can go seamlessly from employer sponsored plans to a subsidized exchange plan & medicaid if things get bad enough for 'em.

I thought the plan was a 33% surcharge for 1 year(?) for lapsed coverage. Like it should cost $100 per month but now its $133 per month.
Either way its a dumb system
 
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