GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[brycejones]

Bite down on those bootstraps.

Sorry bootstraps are only provided with the executive coverage plan, you get a rock.

 

[K1052]

How a Senator who supports the bill perceived Trump's grasp of the legislation under debate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html?_r=1

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Please, I used to buy that both sides are same, and in some cases it may apply, but not in healthcare.

We can agree on addressing costs is the real starting point.

In a way I say no, Republicans have beat this for 7 years, they've farmed votes from it and used it to control the House which has sat on its hands for 7 years.
We (Democrats) give in too easily. I say make the issue as painful as possible because the only way to deal with a bully is to fight him. Giving him a way out doesn't help you out.
I've heard for 7 years about how horrible ACA is and all the simple stuff Republicans can do to fix healthcare, I expect to see them.

Partially related to above:

highlights President Donald Trump's role -- or lack of one -- in forging a GOP majority to squeeze the bill through the Senate

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/28/politics/trump-health-care/index.html

 

[vi edit]

How a Senator who supports the bill perceived Trump's grasp of the legislation under debate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html?_r=1

Shart of the deal!

 

[dank69]

How a Senator who supports the bill perceived Trump's grasp of the legislation under debate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html?_r=1

Nobody should expect Trump to know anything about this bill since Fox News has very little, if any, coverage of it.

 

[dank69]

Neither do the Dems... If they cared they would have fixed it before they lost control.

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Another developmentally disabled point in your post that others have skipped. They lost control very shortly after they first passed it, and long before it started taking effect. I have an idea: how about you stick to talking about things you understand? Sure, your post count will drop dramatically, but on the plus side, people might forget you're an idiot eventually.

 

[K1052]

Apparently Lindsay Graham saying that either they figure this out by Friday that single party talks are over. More threats of a bipartisan fix.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Apparently Lindsay Graham saying that either they figure this out by Friday that single party talks are over. More threats of a bipartisan fix.

I just saw that too. What a weird world we have now. Who would have guessed Graham would be a limiter on Trump and who would guess he'd be the guy to suggest/threaten bipartisanship?

 

[K1052]

I just saw that too. What a weird world we have now. Who would have guessed Graham would be a limiter on Trump and who would guess he'd be the guy to suggest/threaten bipartisanship?

He hasn't been twisting people's arms on this. Pretty obvious from the start he sees little politically to gain from a partisan fix that is almost universally reviled by the electorate.

 

[woolfe9998]

Another poll showing the Senate Healthcare Bill at 17% approval:

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/npr-pbs-newshour-marist-poll/

I think this is the 4th poll showing sub-20's approval. I thought the first one might be an outlier because I've just never seen a piece of legislation poll this badly. But apparently not. All the polls are coming out this way. I have to think the GOP will drum up support from their base for it after it passes, and the number will rise. However, I don't see it ever going much beyond 30%. Maybe the GOP should just drop this bill? Who would even bother to pursue something with this little public support?

 

[Meghan54]

Maybe the GOP should just drop this bill? Who would even bother to pursue something with this little public support?

Well, Trump.....duh!

 

[ch33zw1z]

The best ideas, best words, just the best all around.

 

[woolfe9998]

Well, Trump.....duh!

I think the actual reason is the GOP boxed itself in by promising repeal and replace all these years. Now they feel they have no choice but to pass what is most likely the most unpopular legislation in US history. Trump was just following the party line when he made his campaign promise to do the same.

Something else interesting in that poll. In addition to the 17% approval, only 17% think a replacement bill for the ACA should do less than the ACA. That's a remarkably unambiguous indication of where the public is on healthcare. I'm starting to think passing this bill will hurt the GOP more than failing to pass it.

Edit: I just remembered that the GOP's bill that removed an Obama reg which precluded ISP's from selling our personal information to advertisers had approvals that were below 10%. So the GOP hasn't topped itself just yet!

 

[Atreidin]

President Dementia doesn't care what's in the bill, he doesn't care about healthcare. He's an idea man, he leaves the trivial details that will negatively affect the health of millions to his sycophants and loyalists, and others who have much to gain by ignoring his declining mental state.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Something else interesting in that poll. In addition to the 17% approval, only 17% think a replacement bill for the ACA should do less than the ACA. That's a remarkably unambiguous indication of where the public is on healthcare. I'm starting to think passing this bill will hurt the GOP more than failing to pass it.

And that's the funny part, by the time the ACA actually rolls around to affecting people, they suddenly like it and don't want the govt to take it away, because *surprise* it's actually a step in the right direction.

Reminds me of the first episode of Futurama where Fry spends the whole episode on the run, avoiding his fate of becoming a delivery boy, only to discover at the end he gets to fly a spaceship around the galaxy delivering awesome shit to aliens, and suddenly wants to be a delivery boy.

 

[dainthomas]

Another poll showing the Senate Healthcare Bill at 17% approval:

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/npr-pbs-newshour-marist-poll/

I think this is the 4th poll showing sub-20's approval. I thought the first one might be an outlier because I've just never seen a piece of legislation poll this badly. But apparently not. All the polls are coming out this way. I have to think the GOP will drum up support from their base for it after it passes, and the number will rise. However, I don't see it ever going much beyond 30%. Maybe the GOP should just drop this bill? Who would even bother to pursue something with this little public support?

The oligarchs that control congress.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...anks-closed-republicans-healthcare-tax-reform

 

[K1052]

McConnell is trying to revise the bill by Friday and resubmit it to the CBO. That's not a lot of time to do all the horse trading that would be required even if the goal is achievable. Sounds like a Hail Mary.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

McConnell is trying to revise the bill by Friday and resubmit it to the CBO. That's not a lot of time to do all the horse trading that would be required even if the goal is achievable. Sounds like a Hail Mary.

I'd reject it solely based on a two-day turnaround, there's no way it'll be coherent in that kind of timeframe.

 

[K1052]

Also more indications that Trump has no idea what he's doing and doesn't care as long as he can claim a win:

Trump is working hard to see the bill through. Reuters reported that he spent much of Thursday and Friday in phone conversations with Republican senators, including Ted Cruz and majority leader Mitch McConnell. Cruz opposes the bill in its current form.

But the president’s efforts are hindered by the fact that he seems to care more about signing a bill than he does about the policy issues at stake. Several senators who have spoken with Trump about the evolving legislation describe an executive with little apparent understanding of the basic principles of the reforms and virtually no understanding of the details.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-rallies-senate-support-for-health-care/article/2008625

 

[K1052]

I'd reject it solely based on a two-day turnaround, there's no way it'll be coherent in that kind of timeframe.

Several Senators have continued to make major public demands on the bill and I don't see how they go back at this point. I mean it's possible but I don't think it's looking good for the Rs.

Also It's not like Trump will provide any cover when this thing goes south and a bunch of his voters realize how hard they've just been done. He'll blame congress.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Several Senators have continued to make major public demands on the bill and I don't see how they go back at this point. I mean it's possible but I don't think it's looking good for the Rs.

Also It's not like Trump will provide any cover when this thing goes south and a bunch of his voters realize how hard they've just been done. He'll blame congress.

They won't. Some (the legitimate ones) won't back down because it actually hurts the people they represent. The asinine ones won't back down because they've got no skin to lose by making Trump look like the bad guy (everyone else is at this point, for good reason). Trump will blame congress for not 'getting stuff done', so his remaining 25% or whatever won't turn on him. Basically a big dickwaving contest with nothing out of it (other than maintaining the ACA, which to me is a win at this point).

 

[Jhhnn]

Apparently Lindsay Graham saying that either they figure this out by Friday that single party talks are over. More threats of a bipartisan fix.

Dems won't buy in to anything that reduces coverage. Repubs won't propose anything else because they need the savings to cover the all important billionaire tax cuts.

It's what they live for.

 

[vi edit]

I'm a little fuzzy on how all of this works, but there's something unique about this that it *has* to save a certain amount of money to be passed with a simple majority. And that has to be done before September. At that point it can't go through a special budget approval and needs a full 60+ votes to go through. I don't know how they appease both the moderate R's and the teabagger R's in the Senate while cutting enough costs out of it to meet the budget thresholds necessary. It wasn't going through today. I have no idea what they can stuff in there by Friday to make it more appealing while still having the festering core of hardcore budget cuts.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sorry bootstraps are only provided with the executive coverage plan, you get a rock.

Have a rock

 

[Stokely]

Prediction is: a couple senators will be allowed to be No votes, probably the ones that are in places where this will hurt the most (Alaska etc). The others will all vote Yes and it'll pass 51-50 via Pence.
House will then pass it and there's our new health care.
There will be a preemptively-planned full-court press to blame Obama and the Democrats for any perceived wrong to do with health care moving forward, and it will work with enough people so that this Congress keeps their jobs for the most part.
This helps lead to Trump's second term.

I'm feeling (more than usually) cynical today, but I don't think this is far-fetched.