GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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Meghan54

Lifer
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Medicare for all is an option. I don't think most Americans want that. The ones getting their insurance from employers or the gov't, 85%, really don't want a radical change.


You'd be wrong about that.

In a recent poll conducted by The Economist/YouGov (Apr. 2-4, 2017), Question #81 was: "Opinion on health reforms – Expanding Medicare to provide health insurance to every American."

The responses broke down to this: 60% approved (somewhat to strongly approved), 23% opposed (somewhat to strongly opposed), 17% unsure.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/divhts7l9t/econTabReport.pdf
(Question 81, pg. 88)

This poll tracks others, so, yes, most Americans favor something like expanding Medicare for all.
 
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K1052

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Trump, apparently, at his lunch told the GOP senators that repeal/replace is the way forward. The thing that just cratered the day before. After posting on twitter that they should straight repeal with no replacement and previously encouraging conservative members to demand that. An idea that several influential GOP govs took a very public steamy dump on yesterday.

What a steady hand we have on the wheel.
 

K1052

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Oh man this lunch is a hot mess.

Trump promises 60-70% premium drops, makes awkward jokes about Heller (who's sitting next to him), and says the Senate should stay though the summer to work on healthcare.
 
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Oh man this lunch is a hot mess.

Trump promises 60-70% premium drops, makes awkward jokes about Heller (who's sitting next to him), and says the Senate should stay though the summer to work on healthcare.

Shart of the deal! When he says 60% premium drops, he really means 60% less will have premiums to even care about...because they were dropped from coverage.
 
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K1052

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Shart of the deal! When he says 60% premium drops, he really means 60% less will have premiums to even care about...because they were dropped from coverage.

Remember he's in a room full of people that know for dead certain he has zero idea what he's talking about. He just wants to sign a bill and doesn't care what it is.
 

K1052

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Do you think he treats bills like most of us do EULA's?

TL;DR


Click accept. Next!

I'm pretty sure we give those more thought and we don't have a small army of aides around us to carefully and painstakingly explain them with numerous visual props.
 

Linux23

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Trump, apparently, at his lunch told the GOP senators that repeal/replace is the way forward. The thing that just cratered the day before. After posting on twitter that they should straight repeal with no replacement and previously encouraging conservative members to demand that. An idea that several influential GOP govs took a very public steamy dump on yesterday.

What a steady hand we have on the wheel.
This guy is a complete flakey pofs. My 4 year old can make better decisions and stick with it better than Drumpf.

I fear for America.
 

K1052

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This guy is a complete flakey pofs. My 4 year old can make better decisions and stick with it better than Drumpf.

I fear for America.

They may need to start dosing the WH water supply with ritalin just to keep him on the same idea for longer than 6 nanoseconds.
 

dainthomas

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You'd be wrong about that.

In a recent poll conducted by The Economist/YouGov (Apr. 2-4, 2017), Question #81 was: "Opinion on health reforms – Expanding Medicare to provide health insurance to every American."

The responses broke down to this: 60% approved (somewhat to strongly approved), 23% opposed (somewhat to strongly opposed), 17% unsure.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/divhts7l9t/econTabReport.pdf
(Question 81, pg. 88)

This poll tracks others, so, yes, most Americans favor something like expanding Medicare for all.

When he says "most Americans" he probably means Real Americans™, not commie dems.
 

K1052

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Trump aligned groups and surrogates already turning on the GOP in the senate, including McConnell.

The president looks to go to war with his own party that's in the majority. Should be productive.
 

K1052

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The CBO has scored the repeal and delay plan: 17M more uninsured in 2018 with premiums rising 25%. Premiums rising 50% by 2020, DOUBLE by 2026. 32M more uninsured by 2026. 3/4ths of the population wouldn't have insurer participation in the individual market.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52939

Wow.
 
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Geekbabe

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Scans and mammographies (for her) aren't covered as it is. As for colonoscopies, insurance will pay for that after we meet our deductible. Until then I'll pay for it through my HSA. I know how this works. This is how it was done prior to 2010. It's no big deal.


You keep dancing around a big issue. Your wife is 60 yrs old, has a history of cancer and heart problems. She will be uninsurable with the exception of whatever sick pool your state opens up.

Oh & don't forget, in the blink of an eye you'll be age 55, get ready for premium increases that will make your eyes bulge!
 

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I know there is no chance while GOP in control but single payer quietly gaining steam in CONgress.

As Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s backup plan to repeal the ACA without a replacement crumbled on Tuesday after losing the support of four members of his own party, Democrats rallied around a policy that’s nearly the exact opposite of McConnell’s — single-payer health care.

The bill, H.R.676, now has 115 cosponsors in the House and support from the majority of the chamber’s Democratic members. The bill has been gathering momentum since April, when it gained 32 co-sponsors, and it is winning converts as more lawmakers view it as an acceptable alternative to the Republicans’ various versions of the Better Care Reconciliation Act.


Additionally, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., said embracing single payer was “the next step” for her party. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., and Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J. have also expressed their support for the legislation in recent weeks. Even former Vice President and presidential candidate Al Gore has spoken out in favor of single-payer health care.

“The private sector has not shown any ability to provide good, affordable health care for all,” Gore said at a promotional event for his new climate change documentary at Borough of Manhattan Community College on Tuesday. “I believe we ought to have single-payer health care.”

This is not the first time lawmakers have tried to bring single-payer health care to the U.S. The California State Senate passed a bill last month to create a single-payer health care system for all residents of the state that is now headed to the state assembly for consideration. A referendum on a proposed single-payer system in Colorado made it to ballots in November, but was rejected by voters.

Currently, the United States is one of the few developed nations in the world that does not provide government-funded health care for all its residents.

The bill to establish a nationwide single payer health care system was first introduced to Congress in 2003.&nbsp;&nbsp;— Taylor Rogers" data-reactid="105" style="margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 18px;">The bill to establish a nationwide single payer health care system was first introduced to Congress in 2003. — Taylor Rogers


 

Puffnstuff

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With all of the uncertainty surrounding health care I certainly appreciate my VA coverage right now.
 

fskimospy

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As a stage IV cancer patient nobody will insure me. Sorry but sitting on a waiting list ( with no health care) to spend 25K a yr is not "freedom" to me

Serious question, do you still think he is making a good faith attempt to understand your argument and provide rational counter arguments?
 

Jhhnn

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The CBO has scored the repeal and delay plan: 17M more uninsured in 2018 with premiums rising 25%. Premiums rising 50% by 2020, DOUBLE by 2026. 32M more uninsured by 2026. 3/4ths of the population wouldn't have insurer participation in the individual market.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52939

Wow.

Well, yeh, but it'll stimulate the economy! Spur investment! Increase efficiency! Create jobs! Save America from Sharia Law!
 
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K1052

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Well, yeh, but it'll stimulate the economy! Spur investment! Increase efficiency! Create jobs! Save America from Sharia Law!

This does sound like that better and cheaper insurance Trump promised during his campaign....
 

First

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I know there is no chance while GOP in control but single payer quietly gaining steam in CONgress.


Yup, would love to see it. Unfortunately I don't think middle class Americans are ready for another big addition to their payroll taxes ala Medicare/SS, which is what it would take to fund single payer. Even if the math worked out and, say, those in the middle no longer paid $4,000 in private HC premiums every year and instead paid $2,000 in payroll taxes each year for their single payer, it would still be an incredibly hard sell. Just from a practical standpoint, no way the nutters in power would agree to the necessary payroll tax increases to make this happen. The only shot is January 2021 when Repubs are out of power.
 

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Lifer
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yet he shit talked Obama about golfing and he's worse. Fucking hypocrite.
What's sad is that he's such a terrible, out of shape golfer too. He's really not good at anything in life. Had he not come from money, he would have been great at up-selling folks on shitty used cars though, that I have no doubt.

 
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