Throw in idiot voters who voted for Hillary too 'cause she wasn't going to go for Medicare for all either.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/271001-hillarys-newfound-disdain-for-single-payer
No, the only thing standing in the way is idiot voters like him who keep electing utter retards to office.
She kept singing much the same tune until Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) upstart campaign began rallying support for single-payer reform, and threatening Hillary's glide path to the nomination. Then she started echoing Republican rhetoric, claiming that “Medicare for All” would break the bank and disrupt care.
They have but we only have 500 billionaires in this country. Tax them all a million dollars and we still have only a half bill. That's pennies and nickels what it'll cost to fund this.
We're talking 2 different things. You're talking about a public option. That's different than single payer. Which do you want to discuss?
Throw in idiot voters who voted for Hillary too 'cause she wasn't going to go for Medicare for all either.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/271001-hillarys-newfound-disdain-for-single-payer
The public option is what you want and does exactly what you've been crying for and its a government ran program. I included it because it's been scored by the CBO and shows what a real solution looks like as opposed to the bullshit solutions the Republicans, who you support, have been coming up with.
A single payer system would be even better and cheaper but because we don't have a CBO score for a real single payer option we are left with you relying on bullshit articles.
Can you explain how every other industrialized nation has cheaper health care costs as compared to us? Can you explain why, if we went to a single payer system why our costs won't go down?
She wasn't going for it because she understood the political reality of working with an obstructionist, team based, Republican majority. You see, unlike the Russian cheeto, she didn't make promises she knew she had zero chances of keeping.
I'm fine with offering a public option depending on how it's handled. The devil is in the details. The last time it came up, in 2010, the Dems couldn't get support for it. I don't know if that's changed now. It wasn't even a serious issue in last yrs election
You would think, but I'm not sure Americans are ready to do that math. I'm ready, it's an obvious choice. Most Americans? Not so sure.First, what would it matter where or to whom the deduction is made out.....a payroll ded. for ins. premium to a private co. or a payroll ded. for ins. premium for "Medicare for all," esp. if the deduction is dropped by half.
And secondly, what happens to the ins. premiums that the employer was making to said private co. for their share of the premiums? Keep the money? Essentially, it was money being paid out to the employee as a benefit, so it should return to the employee as a pay increase, right? So wouldn't that sort balance out the fears of massive tax increases?
Well I've got a wife and two kids and I'm certainly nowhere near $14,000 in premiums per year, though my $8,500/yr ain't nothing. But there are tons of people who don't have kids, are unmarried, or are married with no children, and so they don't fall into the $14k/yr in premiums category. That's where my $4k comes from.$4000 per year? Try $14,400 per year with a $3000 deductible for my family plan. Healthcare costs me more than federal and state income taxes combined. Increase my Medicare taxes eightfold but get rid of my healthcare spending and I come out ahead. Single payer is a no-brainer for me.
There's only so many rich guys you can tax. After awhile you have to find others to tax.
Overall, almost eight in 10 in the new poll say they'd like Republicans in Congress to try to work with Democrats to pass a health care bill that has bipartisan support (77% say so). Just 12% favor continuing to try to pass a bill that only has GOP backing. Even among Republicans, only about a quarter favor an approach that only has the backing of Republican lawmakers
Serious question, do you still think he is making a good faith attempt to understand your argument and provide rational counter arguments?
I'm not dancing around anything. The essential elements have nothing to do with making people like my wife uninsurable. Nothing. As for the rest of the Republican plan, I don't share your sky is falling attitude. If I was prone to such panic attacks I'd be panicking right now because I'm already looking at a market with no ins options right now in 5 mos.
raise their taxes by something like a meager 5% to a still world-wide unconscionably low rate of ~37% and that goes a long way. The ultra wealthy--the 0.01%ers--get a nice generous 15% hike, it's not like they pay taxes, anyway, and it's not like they are going to miss the couple of million per year from their still-net hundreds of millions in take home.
She wasn't going for it because she understood the political reality of working with an obstructionist, team based, Republican majority. You see, unlike the Russian cheeto, she didn't make promises she knew she had zero chances of keeping.
Since 2010 opinions, especially within the democratic party, have shifted more and more positively toward a single payer option. A public option is also in this direction and would get more support than it did in 2010. If things get bad enough in the market I could even see it as a compromise solution between the Rs and the Ds but I'm not sure if we will ever get there as there seems little incentive for either party to compromise in this political environment.
Forget the Republicans. She was just needing to get votes from Americans, particularly Dems. If your point is that Medicare for all has zero chance of happening anytime soon, then I agree wholeheartedly. It's not a realistic solution at this time.
Damn that woman for being a realist!
People will suffer until a day after they accept the solution to the problem.
Thus it should be our mission to push for them and clear the path for greater acceptance.
Trying to wrap my mind to "accept" the idea that I will soon be uninsurable & die in agony leaving my family bankrupt in the process. Something tells me my suffering will go on for quite awhile
Trying to wrap my mind to "accept" the idea that I will soon be uninsurable &...