GOP adopts anti-vaxxer platform

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fskimospy

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Anti-vax used to be a fringe view by niche groups on the far right and far left. But it is now a mainstream Republican policy stance.

Getting tetanus, mumps, measles, rubella, polio, smallpox, diphtheria to own the libs.

When politics becomes paramount to public health, you become a failed state.
What’s interesting/depressing is that Republicans are becoming anti-vaxx not because they think the vaccines don’t work, but because they think they do. At least the elites do.

They (correctly) think that the more people get vaccinated the better we will be able to suppress the virus and the better the country will do, both socially and economically. If the country does well, that means Biden probably wins again.

I think they pretty clearly prefer a scenario where the country does poorly and more people die so long as that means they win the next election. If Trump were still president all of conservative media - all of it - would be singing the praises of the incredible vaccines Trump developed. After all the elites aren’t going to die, they got vaccinated.
 

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What’s interesting/depressing is that Republicans are becoming anti-vaxx not because they think the vaccines don’t work, but because they think they do. At least the elites do.

They (correctly) think that the more people get vaccinated the better we will be able to suppress the virus and the better the country will do, both socially and economically. If the country does well, that means Biden probably wins again.

I think they pretty clearly prefer a scenario where the country does poorly and more people die so long as that means they win the next election. If Trump were still president all of conservative media - all of it - would be singing the praises of the incredible vaccines Trump developed. After all the elites aren’t going to die, they got vaccinated.

Man I wish this wasn't true, but sadly we all know it is.
 

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What’s interesting/depressing is that Republicans are becoming anti-vaxx not because they think the vaccines don’t work, but because they think they do. At least the elites do.

They (correctly) think that the more people get vaccinated the better we will be able to suppress the virus and the better the country will do, both socially and economically. If the country does well, that means Biden probably wins again.

I think they pretty clearly prefer a scenario where the country does poorly and more people die so long as that means they win the next election. If Trump were still president all of conservative media - all of it - would be singing the praises of the incredible vaccines Trump developed. After all the elites aren’t going to die, they got vaccinated.

Since the cultural and economic engines of the country are largely outside the areas with low vaccine penetration I think there are some problems with this plan, as seriously deadly as it may be to their own people.
 

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Since the cultural and economic engines of the country are largely outside the areas with low vaccine penetration I think there are some problems with this plan, as seriously deadly as it may be to their own people.
Maybe, but every little bit helps. I am also highly confident they will attack Biden for his failure to get the population vaccinated quickly enough, blaming him for a problem they purposefully caused. With these people there is no bottom.
 
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Maybe, but every little bit helps. I am also highly confident they will attack Biden for his failure to get the population vaccinated quickly enough, blaming him for a problem they purposefully caused. With these people there is no bottom.

I think stories like this are music to their ears:

 

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T prove the title of this thread, Anti-Vax is now an official part of the Republican Platform:



It was only a matter of time until Donald Trump converted the debate over covid-19 vaccines into an occasion for his supporters to show their loyalty to him — and even worse, to the “big lie” that his 2020 loss was illegitimate.

“People are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don’t trust his Administration,” the former president said in a statement Sunday, referring to President Biden. “They don’t trust the Election results, and they certainly don’t trust the Fake News.”

There you have it: Trump is telling his supporters that they are correct not to trust the federal government on vaccines, because this sentiment should flow naturally from their suspicion that the election was stolen from him. Expressing the former has been magically transformed into a way to show fealty to the latter.


This suggests the anti-vaccine mania on the right may only get worse, at exactly the moment that we need it to get better. This vile new Trump claim hints at how this is likely to happen, with the complicity of even relatively responsible Republicans.

We’re seeing a new surge in coronavirus cases due to the delta variant and the lag in vaccinations, with new cases overwhelmingly concentrated among the unvaccinated. Both trends — surging cases and lagging vaccinations — are unfolding primarily in red states.

It’s bad enough that Trump has now recast the question of whether to trust the federal government on vaccines as a proxy for whether the election was stolen from him. What makes this worse is that other Republicans are playing a version of this game.

Consider Sen. Bill Cassidy’s appearance on “Fox News Sunday.” Asked about his state’s woeful vaccination rate, the Louisiana Republican declared that Americans “don’t trust government” on vaccines because of the “partisan comments coming out of the White House regarding the next Jim Crow laws.”

“He’s depicting himself as an uber partisan,” Cassidy continued of Biden, as if this is supposed to explain red-state distrust of the administration on vaccines.

This has attracted plenty of ridicule, but the truly pernicious nature of it has gone under-appreciated. Cassidy, to be clear, is urging people to get vaccinated, which is good. But he is not telling red-state Americans that they should trust the federal government when it comes to vaccines, i.e., that they have eminently reasonable grounds to trust it.

Instead, Cassidy recasts this distrust of the feds on the vaccine as a way to register anger at Democrats for calling out GOP efforts to restrict voting that are targeted at African Americans. That’s a version of Trump’s game, minus the explicit endorsement of the “big lie.”

There is also a vaguely extortive quality to this: If you want us to help you vaccinate our own populations, you’d better stop calling out our voter suppression efforts for what they are.

Republican and right-wing efforts to encourage vaccine “skepticism” among GOP voters are unfolding on a spectrum. At the extreme end, GOP members of Congress rail at “needle Nazis” and suggest federal vaccine outreach is a slippery slope to confiscation of guns and Bibles.

Meanwhile, as Eric Boehlert notes, Fox News is spreading so much vaccine disinformation that it’s hard to see this as anything but deliberate sabotage of our covid response. And Matt Gertz details a whole constellation of other right-wing media outlets doing the same.

Yet top Republicans are doing little to discourage all this. As the New York Times puts it, these efforts have “elevated falsehoods and doubts about vaccinations” with “very little resistance from party leaders.”

As my Post colleague James Downie puts it, this passivity from GOP leaders leads inevitably to the conclusion that at best, “they see this toll as acceptable.”

It’s in this context that we should understand the ugly new line from Trump and Cassidy. Cassidy is saying, in effect: Trusting the feds on vaccines is tantamount to endorsing Democrats’ claims that GOP voting restrictions are racist.

Trump is making this worse: Trusting the feds on vaccines is tantamount to endorsing the idea that I legitimately lost the election. How long until aspiring GOP primary candidates start running with their own versions of this nonsense?

This linkage is telling in another sense. Again and again, Republicans could have taken what Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg calls “off ramps” from ongoing GOP radicalization.
Republicans fed Trump’s lie about the outcome for many weeks after the election. They responded to their 2020 losses with an unprecedented wave of voter suppression and anti-majoritarian tactics. They’ve drifted away from condemning Trump’s role in the insurrection and are now actively downplaying the violence itself and even rewriting its history. They’ve refused to support a serious Jan. 6 accounting.

Now they’re either largely tolerating or actively encouraging deepening vaccine derangement among their own voters. Given that Trump has now entangled this with the GOP’s turn away from democracy, how many Republicans do you think will step up to condemn it?
 
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fskimospy

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I think stories like this are music to their ears:

Most likely, although I always find these Dow stories funny because the writers attribute movements to investors' collective feelings about things and I can't help but feel that they are essentially just making shit up.
 
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Most likely, although I always find these Dow stories funny because the writers attribute movements to investors' collective feelings about things and I can't help but feel that they are essentially just making shit up.

Doesn't really matter though. It's all about how republicans can use something politically.
 
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Maybe, but every little bit helps. I am also highly confident they will attack Biden for his failure to get the population vaccinated quickly enough, blaming him for a problem they purposefully caused. With these people there is no bottom.
Exactly. This is why they are cockroaches.
 
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woolfe9998

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So right now we're at ~48% fully vaxxed, 7% single dose. Vaccinations have fallen to ~500K per day, the equivalent of 250K people fully vaxxed every day, which I would expect will continue to drop off as time goes on. At that rate, it takes 12 days to vaccinate 1% of the population.

Doesn't look like we'll get much past 65% total vaccinated here, if even that. Man that is pathetic.

I recall predicting that 20-25% would never vaccinate and people thought I was being too pessimistic. Well I was off in the other direction.
 

Jaskalas

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What the fuck is wrong with people,

Could stunted mental faculties be a direct side effect of plastic particles in our major organs?
Maybe some of the population is ahead of the curve, but might we all be drooling in a corner, flipping the light switch in a few more decades?

This level of regression is of serious alarm.

It is possible nothing physically changed in our species so quickly, but rather... we were merely exposed to mass information and we just cannot process it.

What happened to us? The internet was invented. Full stop. That's what is wrong with people. Without a filter, misinformation is given equal value to facts, truth, and the scientific method. Western societies have given people the freedom to think for themselves, and they have been found wanting. It might be said that ours is an abject failure.

Perhaps a filter was needed after all, because humanity was not nearly as intelligent as we'd like to think we are.
 
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ALL Those GOD DAMN RepubliTAR--- Oh wait....





Side Note: Gotta love how just about every graph thats segregated by race is always the same order or the reverse
 

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ALL Those GOD DAMN RepubliTAR--- Oh wait....

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Side Note: Gotta love how just about every graph thats segregated by race is always the same order or the reverse

All Those GOD DAMN black and brown people- Oh wait....

Only 14% of Americans say they will definitely not get vaccinated. But this group is 69% white, compared with 7% Black and 12% Hispanic. Republicans make up 58% of this group, while Democrats account for 18%.


Damn, it's the republitards after all. By a vast margin.
 
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woolfe9998

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lol what I posted is the ACTUAL data. You're posting polls about feelings. Try using facts instead of feelings.

Nah, your source is compatible with mine. You just cherry picked it.


So you'll notice the first table says that blacks have been 9% of those getting vaccinated, while being 12% of the population. But they were 12% of those being vaccinated over the past 14 days (from july 4 - the info is out of date). My article says that blacks and Hispanics are more likely to have a "wait and see" attitude than whites, but less likely to say they'll never take the vaccine. Since your source shows that blacks are now being vaccinated at an increased rate, it's entirely consistent.

Your chart is already 2 weeks out of date. Let's see how it stands in a month given that blacks and Hispanics are getting vaccinated at a higher rate now.

You also seem perpetually confused about something. Not all white people are republicans, and not all black and brown are democrats. Multiple polls say 40-50% of republicans are firm in never wanting the vaccine. I'm going to take them at their word.
 
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Nah, your source is compatible with mine. You just cherry picked it.


So you'll notice the first table says that blacks have been 9% of those getting vaccinated, while being 12% of the population. But they were 12% of those being vaccinated over the past 14 days (from july 4 - the info is out of date). My article says that blacks and Hispanics are more likely to have a "wait and see" attitude than whites, but less likely to say they'll never take the vaccine. Since your source shows that blacks are now being vaccinated at an increased rate, it's entirely consistent.

Your chart is already 2 weeks out of date. Let's see how it stands in a month given that blacks and Hispanics are getting vaccinated at a higher rate now.

You also seem perpetually confused about something. Not all white people are republicans, and not all black and brown are democrats. Multiple polls say 40-50% of republicans are firm in never wanting the vaccine. I'm going to take them at their word.

Once again, your article isn't data. It's a poll. It's opinions.

Try to use facts instead of feelings. It's very clear that across the board every race is rather stagnant on getting vaccines. 2 weeks doesn't make a single bit of difference in that - but you already knew that - you just want to keep peddling your false narrative. Cute.
 

woolfe9998

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Once again, your article isn't data. It's a poll. It's opinions.

Try to use facts instead of feelings. It's very clear that across the board every race is rather stagnant on getting vaccines. 2 weeks doesn't make a single bit of difference in that - but you already knew that - you just want to keep peddling your false narrative. Cute.

And you're peddling a false narrative that it isn't republicans who make up the bulk of the unvaccinated.

Show me some data broken down by party affiliation, not race. Your chart bears no relevance whatsoever to that.
 
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And you're peddling a false narrative that it isn't republicans who make up the bulk of the unvaccinated.

Show me some data broken down by party affiliation, not race. Your chart bears no relevance whatsoever to that.

Sadly, we don't demand unrelated shit like political party affiliation when it comes to medical data. Because that would be childish and absolutely moronic.
 

woolfe9998

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Sadly, we don't demand unrelated shit like political party affiliation when it comes to medical data. Because that would be childish and absolutely moronic.

Which means we have only polling to go on. Polling which you're dismissing because you don't like what it says.

How convenient for you.
 

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The GOP has decided to act in opposition to whatever Dems want, even this, which shouldn't be political at all. Covid vaccines are both safe & effective. Remaining unvaxxed at this juncture is foolish, but they love the uneducated, right? It's an exercise in craven cynicism of the worst sort.
 
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