GOP continues to deny the biggest and rising terrorist threat in the United States today, white nationalism

[HomerJS]

More despicable behavior from Republicans, deny facts that don't fit their warped narratives. Democrats unlike Republicans allow witnesses to be called to hearings. What the fuck is the expertise of Candice Owens when it comes to this topic? What evidence does she bring to the table besides right wing conspiracy theories and talk show rhetoric?

Just take a gander at the bullshit she spreads at this hearing which was convened to discuss a serious topic.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-white-nationalism-hearing-candace-owens-183811012.html

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

GOP is probably the second largest terrorist organization in the world (the largest being the BJP in India).

 

[UglyCasanova]

What the fuck is the expertise of Candice Owens when it comes to this topic? What evidence does she bring to the table besides right wing conspiracy theories and talk show rhetoric?

She came to present an opposing viewpoint than the one being talked about and obviously was picked because she’s a (hot) person of color.

"There isn't a single adult today that in good conscience would make the argument that America is a more racist, more white nationalist society than it was when my grandfather was growing up and yet we are hearing these terms center around today because what they want to say is that brown people need to be scared which seems to be the narrative that we hear every four years right ahead of a presidential election," Owens said in her opening statement.

"Let me be clear the hearing today is not about white nationalism or hate crimes, it is about fear mongering, power and control," Owens said. "It is a preview of a Democrat 2020 election strategy the same as the Democrat 2016 election strategy."

Completely agree with her. For several years now the left has stoked racial tensions and used race as a scare tactic to energize their base. The right fed off this to scare and energize their own base.

 

[Vic]

She came to present an opposing viewpoint than the one being talked about and obviously was picked because she’s a (hot) person of color.




Completely agree with her. For several years now the left has stoked racial tensions and used race as a scare tactic to energize their base. The right fed off this to scare and energize their own base.

She also said that Hitler was just trying to make Germany great.

 

[darkswordsman17]

She also said that Hitler was just trying to make Germany great.

Hmm, why does that phrasing sound familiar? I feel like I've heard that somewhere...

 

[ecogen]

She came to present an opposing viewpoint than the one being talked about and obviously was picked because she’s a (hot) person of color.

The fuck kind of reason is this? If the viewpoint was "murder bad" we don't need to bring someone arguing the opposite for the sake of "balance". It's the same bullshit with climate change, they bring in some random science denying retard to have a "balanced debate". They need to stop calling in clowns like her and giving them a platform.

 

[Moonbeam]

OP I shut your link down the moment I heard the dramatic music and the text scrolling by to tell me what to think. Pure propaganda garbage. People that create that kind of garbage have no respect for people. Just pawns to be manipulated. Garbage on the left is still garbage.

 

[HomerJS]

She came to present an opposing viewpoint than the one being talked about and obviously was picked because she’s a (hot) person of color.




Completely agree with her. For several years now the left has stoked racial tensions and used race as a scare tactic to energize their base. The right fed off this to scare and energize their own base.

I see you also failed to answer the question what evidence did she bring to back up her ridiculous claims?? All I heard was her auditioning for a right wing conspiracy pundit. It can be a lucrative career but is corrosive to the culture. She just wants to be the new Tomi Laren if the right wing. She has a shot because right wing media loves self loathing blacks

 

[pmv]

Completely agree with her. For several years now the left has stoked racial tensions and used race as a scare tactic to energize their base. The right fed off this to scare and energize their own base.

I don't see that at all. What do you mean by 'the left'? Most of what gets called 'the left' in the US seems to be irredemiably timid and triangulating about race. The right have been scaring and energising their own base quite independently of anything 'the left' have done, because its a means for the elites on the right to retain power. The (arguably) increased use of the tactic probably relfects demographic changes as much as anything, but clearly race has been a huge fault-line in US society since the beginning. There's nothing new about the right using the issue.

 

[mikeymikec]

The fuck kind of reason is this? If the viewpoint was "murder bad" we don't need to bring someone arguing the opposite for the sake of "balance". It's the same bullshit with climate change, they bring in some random science denying retard to have a "balanced debate". They need to stop calling in clowns like her and giving them a platform.

But if they didn't do that, how else are they supposed to de-rail the topic?

 

[interchange]

It seems neither their forum nor this one is allows collaborate discourse between people with different points of view on this topic. I don't foresee any real progress on racial tension in the US unless that platform can be established.

 

[UberNeuman]

It seems neither their forum nor this one is allows collaborate discourse between people with different points of view on this topic. I don't foresee any real progress on racial tension in the US unless that platform can be established.

oh, heavens! Both sides, both sides! lol!

 

[pmv]

oh, heavens! Both sides, both sides! lol!

Well he's right in that neither this, nor any other forum I know of, really leads to any constructive debate/discussion of this or any other politically-divisive topic, among people who strongly disagree. But then I don't know if one can really expect any solutions to come from constructive debate and discussions anyway. Not at all sure that's really how things change in any case, historically-speaking.

I can't even get a useful discussion going with people I personally know well with whom I have much smaller political differences than these. We just end up not speaking to each other.

Words are hugely over-rated. I mean, Trump can barely form coherent sentences and he's gotten all the way to the Whitehouse.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't see that at all. What do you mean by 'the left'? Most of what gets called 'the left' in the US seems to be irredemiably timid and triangulating about race. The right have been scaring and energising their own base quite independently of anything 'the left' have done, because its a means for the elites on the right to retain power. The (arguably) increased use of the tactic probably relfects demographic changes as much as anything, but clearly race has been a huge fault-line in US society since the beginning. There's nothing new about the right using the issue.

I mean there is documented evidence of the Republican Party attempting to use white racism as an electoral strategy in the past. They literally came out and said it.

The racial two-step in America by conservatives is always the same:

1) we have moved past racism so there’s no need to talk about it.

2) if you disagree then by talking about racism you’re making conservatives racist so it’s liberals’ fault if they are.

As I’ve said before you can always tell when conservatives are behaving in a way they know is wrong because they will blame liberals for making them do it. There’s just no personal responsibility left in modern American conservatism.

 

[Luna1968]

maybe listening to the whole conversation would be helpful. in no way does Owens admire Hitler. Yahoo "news" really shows its bias. shameful.

 

[Greenman]

I mean there is documented evidence of the Republican Party attempting to use white racism as an electoral strategy in the past. They literally came out and said it.

The racial two-step in America by conservatives is always the same:

1) we have moved past racism so there’s no need to talk about it.

2) if you disagree then by talking about racism you’re making conservatives racist so it’s liberals’ fault if they are.

As I’ve said before you can always tell when conservatives are behaving in a way they know is wrong because they will blame liberals for making them do it. There’s just no personal responsibility left in modern American conservatism.

The dems do the exact same thing every few years with reparations. When it looks like the black vote might drop below 80% democrat they start up the "we'll pay you if you vote for us" program.

 

[fskimospy]

The dems do the exact same thing every few years with reparations. When it looks like the black vote might drop below 80% democrat they start up the "we'll pay you if you vote for us" program.

This is #bothsides nonsense and you know it.

It's amazing that Republicans always try to convince themselves there's some payout scheme or nefarious plot as to why black people vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. Have you guys considered for a minute that the simplest and most reasonable explanation for their voting behavior is massive, ongoing racism towards them by the Republican Party?

 

[Vic]

maybe listening to the whole conversation would be helpful. in no way does Owens admire Hitler. Yahoo "news" really shows its bias. shameful.

No one said she admired Hitler that I saw. What she did say about Hitler and the Nazis was incredibly historically inaccurate though. The Quandts and other German leaders of private industry certainly did not believe that the Nazis were socialists, for example. Neither did Henry Ford.

 

[interchange]

oh, heavens! Both sides, both sides! lol!

Well he's right in that neither this, nor any other forum I know of, really leads to any constructive debate/discussion of this or any other politically-divisive topic, among people who strongly disagree. But then I don't know if one can really expect any solutions to come from constructive debate and discussions anyway. Not at all sure that's really how things change in any case, historically-speaking.

I can't even get a useful discussion going with people I personally know well with whom I have much smaller political differences than these. We just end up not speaking to each other.

Words are hugely over-rated. I mean, Trump can barely form coherent sentences and he's gotten all the way to the Whitehouse.

If there's no room to see what we have in common, then how can there be hope of resolving our differences through discourse? You are right that words are not the only way of resolving conflict. If discourse is not possible, then conflict can be resolved through violence. By violence I don't necessarily mean physical violence. I mean that one perspective ends up being declared the winner and decided as correct without modification and the other perspective must be declared the loser and rejected as bad with no potential for merit.

A violent resolution to conflict is not wrong per se. It may end up being very productive, leaving us with organizing principles that lead to more effective behavior and are open for discourse. If this situation is destined for a violent resolution, then there is no doubt I choose the side of the left. But my wish is for the capacity to engage in productive discourse instead. I'm honestly not sure how realistic that is or whether we are at the point where accelerating a violent resolution to this conflict would be best.

 

[Indus]

It seems neither their forum nor this one is allows collaborate discourse between people with different points of view on this topic. I don't foresee any real progress on racial tension in the US unless that platform can be established.

Didn't Obama try just that for 8 years?

And although people voted him in twice and still think of him as the greatest president of our lifetime, what good did it do in progress of racial tension?

Clearly the solution to this problem is different from what you are suggesting because after all this time it isn't winning hearts and minds of the brainwashed white ethno nationalist trumpnazi evangelical conservaterrorists.

The only ones who's minds can be changed are the ones who took a chance with the GOP and now regret it.. whatever % that is.

 

[SMOGZINN]

For several years now the left has stoked racial tensions and used race as a scare tactic to energize their base. The right fed off this to scare and energize their own base.

How does the left stoke racial tensions? Give some examples, some that are not some extremist that holds literally no power in the Democratic party. As far as I can see, and I've watched this pretty closely, the left has done nothing more than address the issues that people of color have asked to be addressed. They have 'stoked racial tensions' by doing nothing more than listen to their constituents on the issues that effect them.

 

[Lash444]

How does the left stoke racial tensions? Give some examples, some that are not some extremist that holds literally no power in the Democratic party. As far as I can see, and I've watched this pretty closely, the left has done nothing more than address the issues that people of color have asked to be addressed. They have 'stoked racial tensions' by doing nothing more than listen to their constituents on the issues that effect them.

They show up to protest their new MAGA hat meetings. Cause you know, opposing racism is literally stoking racist tensions.

 

[interchange]

Didn't Obama try just that for 8 years?

And although people voted him in twice and still think of him as the greatest president of our lifetime, what good did it do in progress of racial tension?

Clearly the solution to this problem is different from what you are suggesting because after all this time it isn't winning hearts and minds of the brainwashed white ethno nationalist trumpnazi evangelical conservaterrorists.

The only ones who's minds can be changed are the ones who took a chance with the GOP and now regret it.. whatever % that is.

The fact that we haven't succeeded yet is not sufficient evidence that we may never succeed. Nor is it sufficient evidence that we will eventually succeed. All I can say is that I personally am not giving up hope.

 

[Indus]

The fact that we haven't succeeded yet is not sufficient evidence that we may never succeed. Nor is it sufficient evidence that we will eventually succeed. All I can say is that I personally am not giving up hope.

Not giving up hope?

Is it helping any of the migrants seeking asylum, who have their kids stolen and then later raped and killed by Trump's henchmen?

How much longer till the targets aren't these people seeking asylum but us? And some of us are already under assault.. look at the Texans who were born in the 1950's and now are being accused of fraudulent places of birth and scheming by midwives? Does the same fate of being in cages await them?

And once you try and bring these things into the open, you are deemed "Enemy of the People" and told we should just ignore the law and tell judges you can't follow it.

We have gone down from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia. The same rampant paranoia that has existed in every genocide.

We need to face reality.. that we're not living in normal times where hope can be rewarded. Most often it will be punished by the paranoid until they are dealt a defeat and we come back to normal times.. assuming we still can.

 

[zinfamous]

GOP is probably the second largest terrorist organization in the world (the largest being the BJP in India).

Yeah but the NRA has still killed more Americans, and that's all we're supposed to care about.