Bush?s campaign chairman Marc Racicot on Feb. 22 accused Kerry of ?voting against the weapons systems that are winning the War on Terror? and says Kerry was for "canceling or cutting funding for the B-2 Stealth Bomber, the B-1B, the F-15, the F-16, the M1 Abrams, the Patriot Missile, the AH-64 Apache Helicopter, the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, and the Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser." Another Bush campaign spokesman said Kerry has a "32-year history of voting to cut defense programs and cut defense systems" (a clear impossibility since Kerry has been in office less than 20 years.)
It's true Kerry expressed opposition to those weapons 20 years ago as a candidate, voted against Pentagon budgets several times as a senator in the early and mid-1990's, and proposed cuts in military and intelligence budgets as deficit-reduction measures as recently as 1996...
...Republicans shouldn't make too much of these votes, however, since President Bush's own father announced in his 1992 State of the Union address that he would be ceasing further production of B-2 bombers and MX missiles, and would cut military spending by 30 percent over several years...
And Richard Cheney himself, who is now Vice President but who then was Secretary of Defense, also proposed canceling the Apache helicopter program five years after Kerry did. As Cheney told the House Armed Services Committee on Aug. 13, 1989:
Cheney: The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64; . . . I forced the Army to make choices. I said, "You can't have all three. We don't have the money for all three." So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out. That would save $1.6 billion in procurement and $200 million in spares over the next five years.
Two years later Cheney's Pentagon budget also proposed elimination of further production of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle as well. It was among 81 Pentagon programs targeted for termination, including the F-14 and F-16 aircraft. "Cheney decided the military already has enough of these weapons," the Boston Globe reported at the time.
Ayup.Originally posted by: ElFenix
zell miller sounds like a preacher.
LOL. I was just ranting to my wife about that. Sorry, I know it's not very open-minded, but listening to that idiot froth, all I could think was, "What a slimey asshat. He fits right in with the rest of the Bushies."Originally posted by: conjur
More lies from Zell about Kerry opposing the planes and weapons systems. Does Zell not remember that the Patriot Missile was actually a failure? ...
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Tell us how your really feel Zell...
hehe - putting the screws to the leftists.
CsG
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD you Republicans can keep Zell, we really don't care about him as he's changed positions so many times its hard to keep track of which party his supporting next.
You think the left gives a flying fsck what Zell has to say? He's already been discredited pretty much by the media for the self-promoting flipflopper that he is. Besides he's spouting the same ol' attack rhetoric of the Bush campaign, nothing new, just more lies and distortions.
It would be if Miller was a Democrat.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD you Republicans can keep Zell, we really don't care about him as he's changed positions so many times its hard to keep track of which party his supporting next.
You think the left gives a flying fsck what Zell has to say? He's already been discredited pretty much by the media for the self-promoting flipflopper that he is. Besides he's spouting the same ol' attack rhetoric of the Bush campaign, nothing new, just more lies and distortions.
I think it would be a little embarassing that Zell Miller (D) spoke at the RNC. It hurts more than it helps.
Originally posted by: conjur
It would be if Miller was a Democrat.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD you Republicans can keep Zell, we really don't care about him as he's changed positions so many times its hard to keep track of which party his supporting next.
You think the left gives a flying fsck what Zell has to say? He's already been discredited pretty much by the media for the self-promoting flipflopper that he is. Besides he's spouting the same ol' attack rhetoric of the Bush campaign, nothing new, just more lies and distortions.
I think it would be a little embarassing that Zell Miller (D) spoke at the RNC. It hurts more than it helps.
He has been a Democrat in name only for quite some time now. No one thinks of him as a Democrat. He's let his religious beliefs blind him to the deception of the Bush administration.
Originally posted by: conjur
It would be if Miller was a Democrat.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD you Republicans can keep Zell, we really don't care about him as he's changed positions so many times its hard to keep track of which party his supporting next.
You think the left gives a flying fsck what Zell has to say? He's already been discredited pretty much by the media for the self-promoting flipflopper that he is. Besides he's spouting the same ol' attack rhetoric of the Bush campaign, nothing new, just more lies and distortions.
I think it would be a little embarassing that Zell Miller (D) spoke at the RNC. It hurts more than it helps.
He has been a Democrat in name only for quite some time now. No one thinks of him as a Democrat. He's let his religious beliefs blind him to the deception of the Bush administration.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Tell us how your really feel Zell...
hehe - putting the screws to the leftists.
CsG
You would support a liar.
It would be if Miller was a Democrat.
He has been a Democrat in name only for quite some time now. No one thinks of him as a Democrat.
That's a sad indictment, then, into the mindset of the average American.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I would guess that the average American doesn't even know who Zell Miller is and him being a Republican in name only. All they see is Zell Miller (D) speaking at the RNC. Any way you look at it, it's pretty embarassing.Originally posted by: conjur
It would be if Miller was a Democrat.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I think it would be a little embarassing that Zell Miller (D) spoke at the RNC. It hurts more than it helps.Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
CAD you Republicans can keep Zell, we really don't care about him as he's changed positions so many times its hard to keep track of which party his supporting next.
You think the left gives a flying fsck what Zell has to say? He's already been discredited pretty much by the media for the self-promoting flipflopper that he is. Besides he's spouting the same ol' attack rhetoric of the Bush campaign, nothing new, just more lies and distortions.
He has been a Democrat in name only for quite some time now. No one thinks of him as a Democrat. He's let his religious beliefs blind him to the deception of the Bush administration.
Originally posted by: conjur
That's a sad indictment, then, into the mindset of the average American.
An uninformed vote is a worthless vote.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I see Cheney is still lying through innuendo, implying Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11 without quite saying so explicitly.
Doubtful. To me, anyone that has to resort to such vitriolic speech has lost their cause.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Yup, pretty much.Originally posted by: conjur
That's a sad indictment, then, into the mindset of the average American.
An uninformed vote is a worthless vote.
I'm just trying to view it without being overly political.
I wish more people were better informed and not sway their votes towards Bush, but I'm sure that Zell Miller did move some.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I see Cheney is still lying through innuendo, implying Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11 without quite saying so explicitly.
Originally posted by: conjur
More lies from Zell about Kerry opposing the planes and weapons systems. Does Zell not remember that the Patriot Missile was actually a failure?
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=147
Bush?s campaign chairman Marc Racicot on Feb. 22 accused Kerry of ?voting against the weapons systems that are winning the War on Terror? and says Kerry was for "canceling or cutting funding for the B-2 Stealth Bomber, the B-1B, the F-15, the F-16, the M1 Abrams, the Patriot Missile, the AH-64 Apache Helicopter, the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, and the Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser." Another Bush campaign spokesman said Kerry has a "32-year history of voting to cut defense programs and cut defense systems" (a clear impossibility since Kerry has been in office less than 20 years.)
It's true Kerry expressed opposition to those weapons 20 years ago as a candidate, voted against Pentagon budgets several times as a senator in the early and mid-1990's, and proposed cuts in military and intelligence budgets as deficit-reduction measures as recently as 1996...
...Republicans shouldn't make too much of these votes, however, since President Bush's own father announced in his 1992 State of the Union address that he would be ceasing further production of B-2 bombers and MX missiles, and would cut military spending by 30 percent over several years...
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=177
And Richard Cheney himself, who is now Vice President but who then was Secretary of Defense, also proposed canceling the Apache helicopter program five years after Kerry did. As Cheney told the House Armed Services Committee on Aug. 13, 1989:
Cheney: The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64; . . . I forced the Army to make choices. I said, "You can't have all three. We don't have the money for all three." So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out. That would save $1.6 billion in procurement and $200 million in spares over the next five years.
Two years later Cheney's Pentagon budget also proposed elimination of further production of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle as well. It was among 81 Pentagon programs targeted for termination, including the F-14 and F-16 aircraft. "Cheney decided the military already has enough of these weapons," the Boston Globe reported at the time.
Originally posted by: conjur
Doubtful. To me, anyone that has to resort to such vitriolic speech has lost their cause.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Yup, pretty much.Originally posted by: conjur
That's a sad indictment, then, into the mindset of the average American.
An uninformed vote is a worthless vote.
I'm just trying to view it without being overly political.
I wish more people were better informed and not sway their votes towards Bush, but I'm sure that Zell Miller did move some.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Tell us how your really feel Zell...
hehe - putting the screws to the leftists.
CsG
You would support a liar.
I don't support you - now why are you ducking that thread you started? Hmm...
Also, I found this a tad ironic:It would be if Miller was a Democrat.
He has been a Democrat in name only for quite some time now. No one thinks of him as a Democrat.
Sure Mr. Republican conjur :roll:
CsG
CAD is one of the black-and-white viewing people. If you're not with us, you're against us.Originally posted by: cobalt
Because he doesn't support the current administration he is not a Republican? I don't understand your logic, if that is what you are trying to imply. Regardless of what said party someone feels they belong to, they shouldn't have to blindly follow that said party. It's blind partisan beliefs that hinder advancement in our society, we can't push forward with all the hate and ignorance spewed back and fourth. I don't see how this logic works.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I don't support you - now why are you ducking that thread you started? Hmm...Originally posted by: conjur
You would support a liar.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Tell us how your really feel Zell...
hehe - putting the screws to the leftists.
CsG
Also, I found this a tad ironic:It would be if Miller was a Democrat.
He has been a Democrat in name only for quite some time now. No one thinks of him as a Democrat.
Sure Mr. Republican conjur :roll:
CsG