GOP Counter-Offer

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,230
701
126
Just started reading this, $2.2 trillion including $800 billion in new revenue. First thoughts are--pretty predictable from here on out? Isn't this what everyone expected with the final deal being +$1 trillion in new revenue? Or am I missing something.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/2...e-22t-counter-offer-to-obama-in-debt-talksklj

New revenue from what? Cutting middle class deductions? They have already ruled out tax hikes on the top 2%. Dead on arrival to the dems.
 

Farang

Lifer
Jul 7, 2003
10,913
3
0
New revenue from what? Cutting middle class deductions? They have already ruled out tax hikes on the top 2%. Dead on arrival to the dems.

I don't expect Obama to accept this, but it fits the narrative optimistic analysts have taken. They say the GOP will respond with $800 billion in new revenue, extension of the Bush rates. Then the final deal ends up at above $1 trillion in new revenue.

One mechanism to reach that deal would be the GOP let's the tax cuts expire, then passes an extension of the middle class cuts inside of a deal that raises over $1 trillion in revenue. Everyone is then a tax cutter, nobody raised anything

This whole thing seems pretty predictable now I wonder how the markets respond
 

Ryan

Lifer
Oct 31, 2000
27,519
2
81
I wish Obama would take a very vocal and hard line on the tax issue.

"Any measure on my desk better include the increases in tax levels back to Clinton era rates for those making over $250K, or the measure will get a veto."

Plain and simple, cut and dry.
 

Farang

Lifer
Jul 7, 2003
10,913
3
0
I wish Obama would take a very vocal and hard line on the tax issue.

"Any measure on my desk better include the increases in tax levels back to Clinton era rates for those making over $250K, or the measure will get a veto."

Plain and simple, cut and dry.

He has said this, it's an official stance of the administration. Jay Carney has repeated it as well
 

Ryan

Lifer
Oct 31, 2000
27,519
2
81
He has said this, it's an official stance of the administration. Jay Carney has repeated it as well

Yeah, but it seems like they have been getting more ambiguous as time passes. Now it seems like with the right amount of revenue increases via closing loopholes might satiate their appetities.

I want Obama out, front and center, saying on a daily basis that he will veto any bill that offers anything less.
 

Pr0d1gy

Diamond Member
Jan 30, 2005
7,774
0
76
Yeah, but it seems like they have been getting more ambiguous as time passes. Now it seems like with the right amount of revenue increases via closing loopholes might satiate their appetities.

I want Obama out, front and center, saying on a daily basis that he will veto any bill that offers anything less.

The Fed is moving in on the deal. Gotta keep the rivers of money flowing upstream. :\
 

Farang

Lifer
Jul 7, 2003
10,913
3
0
Yeah, but it seems like they have been getting more ambiguous as time passes. Now it seems like with the right amount of revenue increases via closing loopholes might satiate their appetities.

I want Obama out, front and center, saying on a daily basis that he will veto any bill that offers anything less.

He said not raising rates is "unacceptable" today on Twitter. During Jay Carney's last briefing, Carney said:

The President will not sign any legislation that extends the Bush-era tax cuts for top earners in this country.
 

GuitarDaddy

Lifer
Nov 9, 2004
11,465
1
0
GOP's counter offer is "fuck the peasants! let them eat cake!"

Until there is some concrete proof that their hillbilly constituents have wized up and will vote them out of office, they will bow only to their corporate masters.

By the time they wake up and realize they are on the wrong side of history, they will be as extinct as their slave owning forefathers
 

OneOfTheseDays

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2000
7,052
0
0
GOP is dead getting deader. They are nothing more than the opposition party to the Democrats at this point. They don't ideologically stand for much of anything of real substance.

The fact that they have House control is the only reason they are relevant right now. That won't last for much longer.
 

Londo_Jowo

Lifer
Jan 31, 2010
17,303
158
106
londojowo.hypermart.net
LMAO @ all the whiners. I could see some of you break down and cry trying to buy antiques from a seller or items at a flea market. The President is not going to get everything he wants nor will the Republican get everything they want.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
14,221
4,452
136
The solution is easy: We slash all sorts of essential programs by large amounts, make the entire thing not take effect for 8 more years, and then claim we have saved the taxpayers trillions of dollars and give everyone cut taxes because we have so much spare money.
Worked for previous administration, why not this one?

EDIT: forgot to add that 8 years from now the politicians will have to face a 'fiscal wall' that they will have to solve, probably by cutting a bunch of things in 8 more years and claiming that as a profit.
 
Last edited:

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
37,562
9
81
Taxes on the wealthy are a bandaid on a gaping wound. They have to go up on everybody. Democrats are only 1% less shitty than Republicans.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,129
30,523
136
Color me surprised, no details on how the Republicans plan to raise revenue by $800B.
 

DucatiMonster696

Diamond Member
Aug 13, 2009
4,269
1
71
I don't expect Obama to accept this, but it fits the narrative optimistic analysts have taken. They say the GOP will respond with $800 billion in new revenue, extension of the Bush rates. Then the final deal ends up at above $1 trillion in new revenue.

One mechanism to reach that deal would be the GOP let's the tax cuts expire, then passes an extension of the middle class cuts inside of a deal that raises over $1 trillion in revenue. Everyone is then a tax cutter, nobody raised anything

This whole thing seems pretty predictable now I wonder how the markets respond

That still doesn't address the issue of spending. If real spending today at our current expenditure levels does not decrease and the only cuts are in future spending (which has not even materialized) then we would be on the same course to continue digging the debt hole within no time because the issue of government spending has not even been address in any substantial manner.

Those who believe that they can prevent any pain from actually occurring to secure and trim down our debt are deluding themselves. It's like the shopaholic saying that they will put off tomorrow's more costly spending spree but at the same time demand more money from their significant other without even factoring in the reality of having to actually make real substantial cuts in their current spending habits. All in a effort to attempt to ignore the real issue of their current negative and compulsive behavior.
 
Last edited:

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,889
47
91
www.alienbabeltech.com
GOP's counter offer is "fuck the peasants! let them eat cake!"

Until there is some concrete proof that their hillbilly constituents have wized up and will vote them out of office, they will bow only to their corporate masters.

By the time they wake up and realize they are on the wrong side of history, they will be as extinct as their slave owning forefathers

Thank God real Americans are waking up to the fucking Anti-American Republicans.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,889
47
91
www.alienbabeltech.com
GOP is dead getting deader. They are nothing more than the opposition party to the Democrats at this point. They don't ideologically stand for much of anything of real substance.

The fact that they have House control is the only reason they are relevant right now. That won't last for much longer.

They still post on here.

Until they no longer post here I won't believe they are gone.
 
Nov 8, 2012
20,828
4,777
146

RampantAndroid

Diamond Member
Jun 27, 2004
6,591
3
81
Taxes on the wealthy are a bandaid on a gaping wound. They have to go up on everybody. Democrats are only 1% less shitty than Republicans.

This.

GOP is dead getting deader. They are nothing more than the opposition party to the Democrats at this point. They don't ideologically stand for much of anything of real substance.

The fact that they have House control is the only reason they are relevant right now. That won't last for much longer.

Uhh, given that reps are up for election every two years...they held the house.
 

Balt

Lifer
Mar 12, 2000
12,673
482
126
Will be interesting to see if Obama actually follows through this time. He doesn't have to worry about re-election, and he seems to think the Republicans will have more to lose on Jan 1 than he will if a deal isn't made.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
17,515
0
0
LMAO @ all the whiners. I could see some of you break down and cry trying to buy antiques from a seller or items at a flea market. The President is not going to get everything he wants nor will the Republican get everything they want.

I would agree that's how negotiations typically work...except Obama just won an election by a pretty decent margin with a major part of the campaign discussion focused on budget and tax issues. He would seem to be a in a pretty strong negotiating position.
 

OneOfTheseDays

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2000
7,052
0
0
The GOP has nothing to gain by being obstinate and allowing us to go off the cliff. They lose out on all tax cuts they desperately want and will be forced to vote against tax cuts on 98% of Americans. That's fucking suicide no matter how you slice it. They will cave and Obama will get what he wants. This is basic negotiations 101, GOP has zero leverage.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
17,515
0
0
...
Uhh, given that reps are up for election every two years...they held the house.

The main reason they held the House is that Republican districts have more Democrats than Democratic districts have Republicans. More people actually voted for Congressional Democrats than Congressional Republicans, but the structure of the districts (either naturally or intentionally, depending on who you ask) means more Republicans won.

It's not totally one sided, but I think it would be hard for Republicans to argue they received much of a mandate in the last election.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |