GOP frak up looming in NY-23rd- rise of the extremists

[Bitek]

First GOP civil war battle of the next election cycle is already over and the Republican lost. The Conservative Party candidate, backed by national R-Wing hardliners such as Palin, CfG, and the T-Baggers, has successfully forced the R candidate out of the race, and in doing so is forcing a realignment of the national R centers of power. Already the leadership is balking, trying to find its relevance.
Pretty much what I thought last Nov is transpiring. As a party, the R's are in a crucible burning out all the impurities until it reaches its hardened core. It may have some victories on its way down, esp aided by the economic turmoil, but won't show any real growth until it can moderate and formulate a relevant message. This will be a long process.


On Monday, House Republican leader John Boehner told reporters that he regretted supporting Scozzafava, saying she is clearly out there for herself and has an agenda different from that of most Republicans.


However the shift to the right is not backed by everyone. Newt Gingrich, a possible presidential aspirant and a hero of the conservative movement, upset many of his right-wing followers when he suggested that the Republicans should embrace centrists to win power.

“If you seek to be a perfect minority, you’ll remain a minority,” Mr Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House of Representatives, wrote on National Review Online. “That’s not how Reagan built his revolution or how we won back the House in 1994.

 

[FaaR]

Gingrich... The man who flamed Clinton for getting blowjobs from an intern while he himself whored around with his...secretary? Then abandoned his wife when she came down with cancer.

It amazes me he still has any role whatsoever in US politics, or at least in the party that purports itself to be the one which embraces morals and family values. Just goes to show the general level of hypocrisy in the GOP, and particulary of Newt himself.

 

[lupi]

cfg, t-baggers, wtf are those?


and yeah, they should continue to be an amalgamation of as much as possible so we continue to have two dominant parties looking out for nothing other than continually getting as many of them elected as possible, cause that for sure has worked.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

lol, a liberal who happened to have an R behind her name drops out and you try to claim the "extremists" are at fault? <insert laughing icon>

 

[quest55720]

If the republicans move right fiscally that is fine by me. There are 100s of billions in waste and over spending by the government. Be nice if they could move more to the center for social issues. I just hope the republicans can take back the house in 2010 and we can have some beautiful gridlock. A few years of gridlock would do wonders to get spending down.

 

[Drako]

Wow, so the Republicans forced a RINO out of their ranks. Good for them!

And were are these "extremists" you speak of?

 

[JSt0rm]

Wow, so the Republicans forced a RINO out of their ranks. Good for them!

And were are these "extremists" you speak of?

he isnt running as a republican. I know 20% of the country thinks this is all fine and dandy but think about that...20%...ouch...thats gonna hurt

 

[Drako]

he isnt running as a republican. I know 20% of the country thinks this is all fine and dandy but think about that...20%...ouch...thats gonna hurt

Scozzafava (a she), was running as a republican.

 

[b0mbrman]

If the republicans move right fiscally that is fine by me. There are 100s of billions in waste and over spending by the government. Be nice if they could move more to the center for social issues. I just hope the republicans can take back the house in 2010 and we can have some beautiful gridlock. A few years of gridlock would do wonders to get spending down.

Which hundreds of billions?

As for the race, I actually think Mr. Hoffman is going to win. More Republicans than Democrats in that district and not enough people are scared enough to vote for Owens.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That the NJ governor's race is a dead heat does not suggest the GOP is a crumbling party in disarray. The same can be said for Virginia. The incumbent party always loses ground during midterm or interim elections, but troubling for the Democrats that the Republicans have managed to make any race competitive this year given the backlash against the Bush Administration last year.

 

[dawp]

That the NJ governor's race is a dead heat does not suggest the GOP is a crumbling party in disarray. The same can be said for Virginia. The incumbent party always loses ground during midterm or interim elections, but troubling for the Democrats that the Republicans have managed to make any race competitive this year given the backlash against the Bush Administration last year.

Chris Christie has is own problems at the moment, being sued by Monty Python and all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/chris-christie-rips-off-m_b_341598.html

 

[sciwizam]

Chris Christie has is own problems at the moment, being sued by Monty Python and all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/chris-christie-rips-off-m_b_341598.html

On the grand scale of things a lawsuit won't matter to the voters, when the election is around the corner.

 

[dawp]

On the grand scale of things a lawsuit won't matter to the voters, when the election is around the corner.

Maybe not, but it's not the kind of exposure you want before an election and it may turn off enough that he loses the election.

 

[sciwizam]

Maybe not, but it's not the kind of exposure you want before an election and it may turn off enough that he loses the election.

Come on, you really think the threat (as it hasn't been filed yet) of a law suit by Monty Python is going to detract voters from far more relevant issues?

 

[dawp]

Come on, you really think the threat (as it hasn't been filed yet) of a law suit by Monty Python is going to detract voters from far more relevant issues?

he's a lawyer who didn't follow the law, and if i was Corzine, I'd get out ads on that fact.

 

[Jhhnn]

Massive financial bailouts are the big thing keeping Republican bacon out of the fire. It's the only example of trickledown economics actually working that I can think of. Without 'em, our shell of an economy would have crashed and burned. They're not the kind of thing that we can sustain indefinitely, either.

Not that such matters much in backwoods backwater districts like New York's 23rd where urbanization and offshoring have depressed the economy for decades. It's one of those places where Obama's campaign remarks about "clinging" are obviously apt.

If Republicans want to extrapolate winning there into some sort of trend, have at it, but it's not the kind of trend that any sane political party wants to be part of...

Bitek has it right, so does Gingrich, but that doesn't matter much to the fringe zealots who see the current situation as an opportunity to advance their own version of ideological goose-stepping...

 

[lothar]

That the NJ governor's race is a dead heat does not suggest the GOP is a crumbling party in disarray. The same can be said for Virginia. The incumbent party always loses ground during midterm or interim elections, but troubling for the Democrats that the Republicans have managed to make any race competitive this year given the backlash against the Bush Administration last year.

NJ races are always "dead heat" and their poll numbers cant be trusted.

People were calling for Thomas Kean to beat Robert Menendez a day/week before the election by almost 10% points.
The complete opposite

Corrupt Toricelli was polled to lose to Doug Forrester, but he still won.

Bush and Kerry were on equal footing with poll numbers in NJ during the 200 election that Republicans actually campaigned there for the 1st time in a long while with Bush and Cheney doing political stumps. They ended up losing by almost 10 points(if not more).

 

[lothar]

I expect Republicans to win in VA and NY 23rd district, but lose in NJ.

 

[lupi]

That the NJ governor's race is a dead heat does not suggest the GOP is a crumbling party in disarray. The same can be said for Virginia. The incumbent party always loses ground during midterm or interim elections, but troubling for the Democrats that the Republicans have managed to make any race competitive this year given the backlash against the Bush Administration last year.

Love the race in VA. Polls for the last couple of weeks show that dems should get a drubbing. Best part is the dem campaign. They toss up ads about voting for the dems as a vote for substance over style, while at the same time he drags the quintessential candidate of style all over the state attempting to drum up support. Follow that with the aforementioned bho running tv ads saying that VA was the lead for the change that occurred and is responsible for continuing the change, the egg on face look will suit him well.

 

[cubby1223]

Does anybody in this world have any clue what the word "extremist" means?

On the radio yesterday there was discussion about what a Republican must stand for, must say to people, to withstand the elections after seeing what happened in this New York district...

The candidate is supposed to represent the voters of the district. The candidate is suppose to do what the voters of the district want done. If no candidate matches what the voters want, why is it "extremist" that one joined in the race?

Sorry, but I absolutely hate party labels. If Hoffman best represents the people of that district, then he should win. And what people want in that district has no impact on what people in other districts want. The winner from New York represents the people in New York and no one else. The winner from South Carolina represents people in South Carolina and no one else. The winner from Oregon represents people in Oregon and no one else.

And someone quick compare Hoffman to Fla. Rep Grayson, which party has the nutjob "extremists"?

 

[cubby1223]

Does anybody in this world have any clue what the word "extremist" means?

On the radio yesterday there was discussion about what a Republican must stand for, must say to people, to withstand the elections after seeing what happened in this New York district...

The candidate is supposed to represent the voters of the district. The candidate is suppose to do what the voters of the district want done. If no candidate matches what the voters want, why is it "extremist" that one joined in the race?

Sorry, but I absolutely hate party labels. If Hoffman best represents the people of that district, then he should win. And what people want in that district has no impact on what people in other districts want. The winner from New York represents the people in New York and no one else. The winner from South Carolina represents people in South Carolina and no one else. The winner from Oregon represents people in Oregon and no one else.

And someone quick compare Hoffman to Fla. Rep Grayson, which party has the nutjob "extremists"?

 

[Atreus21]

First GOP civil war battle of the next election cycle is already over and the Republican lost. The Conservative Party candidate, backed by national R-Wing hardliners such as Palin, CfG, and the T-Baggers, has successfully forced the R candidate out of the race, and in doing so is forcing a realignment of the national R centers of power. Already the leadership is balking, trying to find its relevance.
Pretty much what I thought last Nov is transpiring. As a party, the R's are in a crucible burning out all the impurities until it reaches its hardened core. It may have some victories on its way down, esp aided by the economic turmoil, but won't show any real growth until it can moderate and formulate a relevant message. This will be a long process.


On Monday, House Republican leader John Boehner told reporters that he regretted supporting Scozzafava, saying she is clearly out there for herself and has an agenda different from that of most Republicans.


However the shift to the right is not backed by everyone. Newt Gingrich, a possible presidential aspirant and a hero of the conservative movement, upset many of his right-wing followers when he suggested that the Republicans should embrace centrists to win power.

&#8220;If you seek to be a perfect minority, you&#8217;ll remain a minority,&#8221; Mr Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House of Representatives, wrote on National Review Online. &#8220;That&#8217;s not how Reagan built his revolution or how we won back the House in 1994.

There are two things this election has taught me:

1. In politics, a moderate is an opposing partisan who agrees with you.

2. An extremist is an opposing partisan who does not.

 

[Patranus]

he isnt running as a republican. I know 20% of the country thinks this is all fine and dandy but think about that...20%...ouch...thats gonna hurt

Ya. And 40% of the country is conservative, 40% of the country is moderate, and 20% of the country is liberal.....

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx#

Proof that the GOP isn't conservative enough.

 

[lothar]

Ya. And 40&#37; of the country is conservative, 40% of the country is moderate, and 20% of the country is liberal.....

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx#

Proof that the GOP isn't conservative enough.

So how did Obama get elected?
How did Clinton get re-elected?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

So how did Obama get elected?
How did Clinton get re-elected?

BHO - Bush-hate, and an almost RINO

Clinton 2nd - Running the GOP version of kerry(stiff, deadlooking, etc) - just older.

Neither of those examples have to do with what he posted.