GOP frak up looming in NY-23rd- rise of the extremists

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cubby1223

Lifer
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I am still yet to see anyone specify what it is about the platform of these third party candidates that makes them an "extremist" or "far right wingnut". You're all just regurgitating what the "progressives" want you to regurgitate. Are you guys proud of yourselves? I hope your doggy biscuit was tasty =D
 

shadow9d9

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It's what's needed to get this country back on track and away from the treacherous train wreck of the last 10 months. Stop spending people's money, stop expanding government, stop taking over private industry. That's not moving farther to the right, that's moving towards liberty, freedom and the American dream of self determination.

10 months? That is when this all started? I could have sworn it started March of 2008.... I'm pretty sure we pay 700 billion a year on bogus "defense" not including 2 pointless occupations started under republican complete control. Meanwhile, Republican control passed tax breaks instead of paying for their endless occupations.

Freedom like the patriot act or warrantless wiretapping?

Driving the economy into the ground after the republican controlled congress repealed protections against financial catastrophes in 1998?

Self determination? Like eliminating profit insurances that kill people in this country and bankrupt them more than any other first world country in the world? Yes, the republicans will help this with their new plan which allows insurances to continue to deny people, deny rightful paid for coverage, and continue to raise rates that are now double what every other first world country pays.

What has happened in 10 months? Well, the stock market rallied about 75%.... Obama passed Bush's stimulus bill... A push for actual americans to be covered for their HEALTH with no profit incentive to deny them... Yes... train wreck!
 
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Fear No Evil

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10 months? That is when this all started? I could have sworn it started March of 2008.... I'm pretty sure we pay 700 billion a year on bogus "defense" not including 2 pointless occupations started under republican complete control. Meanwhile, Republican control passed tax breaks instead of paying for their endless occupations.

Freedom like the patriot act or warrantless wiretapping?

Driving the economy into the ground after the republican controlled congress repealed protections against financial catastrophes in 1998?

Self determination? Like eliminating profit insurances that kill people in this country and bankrupt them more than any other first world country in the world? Yes, the republicans will help this with their new plan which allows insurances to continue to deny people, deny rightful paid for coverage, and continue to raise rates that are now double what every other first world country pays.

What has happened in 10 months? Well, the stock market rallied about 75%.... Obama passed Bush's stimulus bill... A push for actual americans to be covered for their HEALTH with no profit incentive to deny them... Yes... train wreck!

Don't forget unemployment at 10%.. Afghanistan having its highest deathtoll since the war started and Obama refusing to make a decision on how to deal with that. The value of the $ plumetting.. Oil prices rising. GM still failing. Banks still failing. Housing market still shakey at best. Gitmo still open. A 1.2 trillion dollar deficit.. a 10+ trillion dollar debt projected to be 20+ if Obama serves 8 years.. H1N1 vaccine not available to most people..

But hey, at least Obama has time to fight with Fox News..
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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Don't forget unemployment at 10%.. Afghanistan having its highest deathtoll since the war started and Obama refusing to make a decision on how to deal with that. The value of the $ plumetting.. Oil prices rising. GM still failing. Banks still failing. Housing market still shakey at best. Gitmo still open. A 1.2 trillion dollar deficit.. a 10+ trillion dollar debt projected to be 20+ if Obama serves 8 years.. H1N1 vaccine not available to most people..


Don't worry about the vaccine, they are making sure that the prisoners at Gitmo get top priority when many in the USA can't get it.

Obama has a VERY bad reputation right now where I live. I'm not far from Camp Lejune marine base in NC and to hear people talk, they are pissed enough that if Obama visited right now someone might take a shot at him. I was in a bar with a lot of marines and they were saying things like someone should shoot at Obama, not kill him, but miss, just so he knows what it is like to be shot at.
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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Don't forget unemployment at 10%.. Afghanistan having its highest deathtoll since the war started and Obama refusing to make a decision on how to deal with that. The value of the $ plumetting.. Oil prices rising. GM still failing. Banks still failing. Housing market still shakey at best. Gitmo still open. A 1.2 trillion dollar deficit.. a 10+ trillion dollar debt projected to be 20+ if Obama serves 8 years.. H1N1 vaccine not available to most people..

But hey, at least Obama has time to fight with Fox News..

A majority of those things have absolutely nothing to do with Obama or being a president.

Crazy much?
 

Patranus

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Apr 15, 2007
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A majority of those things have absolutely nothing to do with Obama or being a president.

Crazy much?

My understand is that his hand picked general gave him a recommendation over two months ago and he has yet to make the call on if he will listen to his hand picked general or do nothing. Sounds to me like the current situation in Afghanistan directly relates to Obama.

And lets not forget about this little guy.....
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
Oct 17, 1999
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It's what's needed to get this country back on track and away from the treacherous train wreck of the last 10 months. Stop spending people's money, stop expanding government, stop taking over private industry. That's not moving farther to the right, that's moving towards liberty, freedom and the American dream of self determination.

Please read about the 1929 Depression. How many people here think that the Federal government should decrease spending during a deep recession?
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Congrats upstate New Yorkers for finally waking up and kicking Republicans to the curb.

You're a little slow in that it took you over a 100 years but at least you finally got the job done.
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_el_ho/us_ny_special_election

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. AP – Bill Owens, the Democratic candidate running in New York's 23rd Congressional District, and his wife … .By VALERIE BAUMAN, Associated Press Writer Valerie Bauman, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 35 mins ago
ALBANY, N.Y. – President Barack Obama's decision in June to appoint a Republican congressman to a Pentagon post has paid dividends in November now that Democrats have gained the House seat by capitalizing on a split between moderates and conservatives in the GOP.

Lawyer and retired Air Force Capt. Bill Owens won the special election Tuesday in northern New York in which the Republican candidate withdrew over the weekend under pressure from the party's right wing and GOP heavyweights endorsed the Conservative Party nominee.

Owens said he hopes to bring the heavily Republican district together after the contentious race left the GOP with one less seat in this bluest of states.

"Our challenges aren't Democratic or Republican. They're not liberal or conservative. They are American challenges that we will overcome with American resolve," Owens said in his victory speech. "The only way that we can create jobs and attract economic development to our communities is by bringing people of all parties together and giving everyone a seat at the table."

With 92 percent of the precincts reporting early Wednesday, Owens defeated businessman Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, 49 percent to 45 percent, after a boost from unified labor efforts in the last days of the campaign.

The GOP had represented the region for more than a century. Republican John McHugh vacated the seat to become Army secretary.

Owens thanked one-time opponent Dierdre Scozzafava, a moderate Republican who exited the race Saturday after Republicans criticized her support of abortion rights and same-sex marriage and Hoffman surged past her in the polls. Scozzafava, an assemblywoman in the state legislature, picked up 6 percent of the vote herself.

The race received national attention, with some calling it a referendum on Obama and others saying it could help Republicans focus their message to attract more people to the party.

Owens defeated Hoffman despite a voter registration edge of 45,000 for Republicans and big-name endorsements for Hoffman from former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson and others.

"This is only one fight in the battle, people," Hoffman said before a gathering of supporters in Saranac Lake, N.Y., after conceding the race. "Let's keep the fight going. Let's make sure our voices are heard."

Owens will be up for election for a full term next year.

The race took several sharp curves leading up to Election Day. It started with Scozzafava in the lead while Hoffman was considered a spoiler at best. That gradually turned around, with Hoffman leading 41-36 in a Siena poll a day before the race.

Despite the fervor that surrounded Hoffman in the final week of the campaign, Owens managed to appeal to the voters with his talk of job creation and the need for more federal support for Fort Drum and farmers.

"I don't believe the vast majority of voters in the 23rd District — be they Democrats or Republicans or independents — are looking at this as a referendum on Barack Obama or as a referendum on the Republican Party or the Democratic Party or Rush Limbaugh or any of that," he said. "I think the vast majority of voters in the 23rd are saying, `We had us a great congressman in Congressman McHugh. Which of these candidates can do a better job representing me in Washington?'"
 

Vette73

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It will be interesting to see how Hoffman does in 2010

Bill Owens has to start running for the 2010 race NOW if he wants any chance to win. Not sure if Hoffman will run again, and if so under the republican name or not.

But for a Dem.to win this seat is a big thing since it has been a Rep. seat for over 100 years.
 
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Carmen813

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Hoffman lost because he didn't have a god damn clue about local politics. If you want to win, pick candidates who know what the hell is going on in their prospective district!
 

Atreus21

Lifer
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Hoffman lost because he didn't have a god damn clue about local politics. If you want to win, pick candidates who know what the hell is going on in their prospective district!

If you want to win, choose a candidate that voters like. Period.
 

DealMonkey

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Well, well, well, it looks like Sarah Palin's little hissy fit in upstate New York completely backfired with Owens taking the Congressional Seat ... first time since the late 1800s! D'oh. Back to the drawing board conservative nutjobs!

Still, these local elections are rarely a referendum on the president or even national issues. Local elections are ... duh, wait for it ... about local issues! Exit polls confirmed this:

"A plurality of voters in both states cited the economy as their top concern, according to exit polls. Majorities in both states said Obama's job performance was not a factor in their vote."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/index.html

My feeling is that voters, even in Virginia, are smart enough to understand that the economy started tanking well before Obama took office and that it would take time to turn things around.
 

Robor

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Don't worry about the vaccine, they are making sure that the prisoners at Gitmo get top priority when many in the USA can't get it.

Obama has a VERY bad reputation right now where I live. I'm not far from Camp Lejune marine base in NC and to hear people talk, they are pissed enough that if Obama visited right now someone might take a shot at him. I was in a bar with a lot of marines and they were saying things like someone should shoot at Obama, not kill him, but miss, just so he knows what it is like to be shot at.

Wow.

To those marines... If you guys weren't as pissed or more at the guy (GWB) who actually sent you to the ME you're a bunch of fucking hypocrites. I wish the right person heard that conversation BTW.
 

DealMonkey

Lifer
Nov 25, 2001
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Don't worry about the vaccine, they are making sure that the prisoners at Gitmo get top priority when many in the USA can't get it.

Obama has a VERY bad reputation right now where I live. I'm not far from Camp Lejune marine base in NC and to hear people talk, they are pissed enough that if Obama visited right now someone might take a shot at him. I was in a bar with a lot of marines and they were saying things like someone should shoot at Obama, not kill him, but miss, just so he knows what it is like to be shot at.

Suuuuure it was some "Marines," right MW? Some random Marines in a bar, not you, that wants Obama dead. I see what you did there. <wink wink nudge nudge say no more>

And please, pay attention to the news for once, Gitmo detainees are not getting H1N1 vaccinations.
 

b0mbrman

Lifer
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Dems: Hoffman came in late as an unpolished politician, was seen as a carpetbagger, replaced a very popular moderate, and had little money. If he was in the race as long as, say, Toomey will be in the PA senate race, watch out.

Repubs: You still lost a seat that the outgoing, wildly popular Republican won by 30 percent for 16 years...after being held by Republicans for centuries. And yes, John McHugh was a moderate...and quite dapper.

Conclusion: It's silly for either side to think of this race as predictive of anything.
 

Fear No Evil

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Nov 14, 2008
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Well, well, well, it looks like Sarah Palin's little hissy fit in upstate New York completely backfired with Owens taking the Congressional Seat ... first time since the late 1800s! D'oh. Back to the drawing board conservative nutjobs!

Still, these local elections are rarely a referendum on the president or even national issues. Local elections are ... duh, wait for it ... about local issues! Exit polls confirmed this:

"A plurality of voters in both states cited the economy as their top concern, according to exit polls. Majorities in both states said Obama's job performance was not a factor in their vote."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/index.html

My feeling is that voters, even in Virginia, are smart enough to understand that the economy started tanking well before Obama took office and that it would take time to turn things around.

I wouldn't classify this as a failure.. she got the moderate Republican who nobody wanted anyway to quit, and took a guy who was running dead last in the polls and almost got him to win in 2 weeks. Her failure was probably not getting onboard sooner in this fight. And more people voted AGAINST Owens than for him.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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Well, well, well, it looks like Sarah Palin's little hissy fit in upstate New York completely backfired with Owens taking the Congressional Seat ... first time since the late 1800s! D'oh. Back to the drawing board conservative nutjobs!

Still, these local elections are rarely a referendum on the president or even national issues. Local elections are ... duh, wait for it ... about local issues! Exit polls confirmed this:

"A plurality of voters in both states cited the economy as their top concern, according to exit polls. Majorities in both states said Obama's job performance was not a factor in their vote."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/index.html

My feeling is that voters, even in Virginia, are smart enough to understand that the economy started tanking well before Obama took office and that it would take time to turn things around.
With 88% of precincts reporting,

Owen - 49%
Hoffman - 46%
Scozzafava - 5% (Got to love this)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/results/ (If this link is updated the numbers will change)

An unknown comes out of the woodwork and gets 46% of the vote and you're all smug about Owen's win? Well, if it works for you, run with it. Strategists in the Dem party are probably shitting bricks about now.
 
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