GOP frak up looming in NY-23rd- rise of the extremists

[Carmen813]

With 88% of precincts reporting,

Owen - 49%
Hoffman - 46%
Scozzafava - 5% (Got to love this)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/results/ (If this link is updated the numbers will change)

An unknown comes out of the woodwork and gets 46% of the vote and you're all smug about Owen's win? Well, if it works for you, run with it. Strategists in the Dem party are probably shitting bricks about now.

Snags 46% of the vote in a district that has 58% of it's voters registered as Republicans. Owens wasn't a favorite, not for a while. Add some honey to your tea and maybe you'll have more success next time. Or it least maybe it won't be so hard for voters to swallow...

He lost because a lot of people locally saw him for what he was: a puppet.

 

[Lemon law]

After Hoffman took back the GOP from a solid moderates like Scozzafava, its probably time for solid GOP moderates to take their party back from Hoffman.

 

[DealMonkey]

I wouldn't classify this as a failure.. she got the moderate Republican who nobody wanted anyway to quit, and took a guy who was running dead last in the polls and almost got him to win in 2 weeks. Her failure was probably not getting onboard sooner in this fight. And more people voted AGAINST Owens than for him.

Only you wouldn't classify a failure as failure. I suppose you view Palin's quitting as not really quitting either, dontcha? Hey, let's call it a "career diversion?" Right? Are there ANY other words you'd like to redefine while we're at it?

 

[DealMonkey]

With 88% of precincts reporting,

Owen - 49%
Hoffman - 46%
Scozzafava - 5% (Got to love this)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/results/ (If this link is updated the numbers will change)

An unknown comes out of the woodwork and gets 46% of the vote and you're all smug about Owen's win? Well, if it works for you, run with it. Strategists in the Dem party are probably shitting bricks about now.

Oh yeah, they're REALLY shitting bricks, what with the extra Congressional seat they just picked up. Wow, yeah, I bet they're running back to DC in a total panic. LOL! Man, you're hilarious! Will you be here all week?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

But for a Dem.to win this seat is a big thing since it has been a Rep. seat for over 100 years.

Where are you libs getting this "over 100 years" BS?

2009-1993 != "over 100 years" Sheesh...

 

[DealMonkey]

Where are you libs getting this "over 100 years" BS?

2009-1993 != "over 100 years" Sheesh...

Dude, pay attention:

The split resulted in the election of Bill Owens -- the first Democratic congressman from that region since the late 1800s.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/index.html

 

[fskimospy]

Dude, pay attention:

CAD needs to look up 'redistricting' I think.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Dude, pay attention:

Dude, open your eyes instead of just swallowing the media's narrative

 

[Siddhartha]

Looks like your theory just got shot in the ass...


http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/democrat_bill_owens_wins_hard-.html

"Mike Long, chairman of the state Conservative Party, said early this morning that he thought Scozzafava’s exit from the campaign made the difference for Owens.

"I believe we would have won this race if it was still a three-way race," Long said. "I am dissapointed in the outcome. I am not disappointed in the race. It’s kind of hard to say you had a victory when you lost. But we collapsed the Republican candidate. So I think we did pretty damn good. I think Doug became a symbol of what is wrong in Albany and what is wrong in Washington."

How many Republicans are looking over their shoulders at the Tea Baggers and "Conservatives"?

 

[Ausm]

"Mike Long, chairman of the state Conservative Party, said early this morning that he thought Scozzafava’s exit from the campaign made the difference for Owens.

"I believe we would have won this race if it was still a three-way race," Long said. "I am dissapointed in the outcome. I am not disappointed in the race. It’s kind of hard to say you had a victory when you lost. But we collapsed the Republican candidate. So I think we did pretty damn good. I think Doug became a symbol of what is wrong in Albany and what is wrong in Washington."

How many Republicans are looking over their shoulders at the Tea Baggers and "Conservatives"?

Thx for stating the obvious but my point is the GOP is going through a purity check right now which is going to make their base even smaller.

 

[Jaskalas]

Thx for stating the obvious but my point is the GOP is going through a purity check right now which is going to make their base even smaller.

Though a base of government opponents may be as small as you say, I have no doubt that our cause is righteous and I would rather suffer defeat by our values than corruption by yours.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Heh, gotta love a system where candidates who aren't running are running

The Dems won because the candidate who wasn't in the race drew off enough votes.

Kind of funny in a tragic sense.

 

[cubby1223]

Looks like your theory just got shot in the ass...


http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/democrat_bill_owens_wins_hard-.html

And yet your partisan ass *still* hasn't shown any knowledge of the candidates.

I ask again, which of Hoffman's policies alienated voters?

You guys hated the Republicans of the past 8 years, and now that the people are trying to kick out the Republicans of the past 8 years, you partisan hacks still throw childish tantrums.

 

[Thump553]

People elect their Congressional Representative primarily on a perception as to how effective they will be for the district. Philisophical purity may be of overwhelming significance to the current controlling element of the GOP, but this election is a textbook example of self destruction by the GOP/Conservatives. As demonstrated by his interviews, Hoffman was a carpetbagger and knew nothing of significant local issues. A fatal flaw to most voters.

 

[fskimospy]

Dude, open your eyes instead of just swallowing the media's narrative

Once again CAD, you're going to want to look up 'redistricting'. You've now twice embarrassed yourself in this thread by talking shit to people when you're wrong. It's only 'swallowing the media narrative' if by 'narrative' you mean 'reality'. NY-23 has been the subject of large amounts of redistricting over the years, which in turn has led to a situation in which about 2/3rds of the population of the district lives in areas that have not elected a Democrat since the 1800's.

So when they say NY-23 hasn't elected a Democrat in this long, they don't mean whatever NY-23 was in the past, as that has meant a dozen different things over the years. They mean the actual areas with the actual people that live there who are voting in this election haven't voted in a Democrat in that long... you know... the part that actually matters.

 

[Carmen813]

And yet your partisan ass *still* hasn't shown any knowledge of the candidates.

I ask again, which of Hoffman's policies alienated voters?

You guys hated the Republicans of the past 8 years, and now that the people are trying to kick out the Republicans of the past 8 years, you partisan hacks still throw childish tantrums.

Hoffman's lack of knowledge of local issues is what alienated voters.His debate performance was poor. He was a national media sensation for the right, on a local level, he was a failure.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Once again CAD, you're going to want to look up 'redistricting'. You've now twice embarrassed yourself in this thread by talking shit to people when you're wrong. It's only 'swallowing the media narrative' if by 'narrative' you mean 'reality'. NY-23 has been the subject of large amounts of redistricting over the years, which in turn has led to a situation in which about 2/3rds of the population of the district lives in areas that have not elected a Democrat since the 1800's.

So when they say NY-23 hasn't elected a Democrat in this long, they don't mean whatever NY-23 was in the past, as that has meant a dozen different things over the years. They mean the actual areas with the actual people that live there who are voting in this election haven't voted in a Democrat in that long... you know... the part that actually matters.

Yes, I know all about the gerimandering of the district. It doesn't change the FACT that people have been constantly parroting the liberal media's narrative about "100 years". The FACT is, this district had a D in 1993. The FACT is that I called people out on it. The ones who have been embarrassed multiple times in this thread are the ones who haven't a clue about the situation and have only followed the media's chatter and narrative. I've followed this closely since it broke as a big story as my uncle's state house race is quite similar in nature.

 

[Ausm]

Though a base of government opponents may be as small as you say, I have no doubt that our cause is righteous and I would rather suffer defeat by our values than corruption by yours.

 

[fskimospy]

Heh, gotta love a system where candidates who aren't running are running

The Dems won because the candidate who wasn't in the race drew off enough votes.

Kind of funny in a tragic sense.

This is probably wrong. Scozzafava's supporters held overwhelmingly negative views of Hoffman (about 15% approval), and slightly better but still terrible views of Owens (about 20% approval) and they approved of Obama by a significant margin. What that all adds up to makes perfect sense, Scozzafava's supporters were moderates. Given the choice between a moderate Democrat and an extreme conservative in Hoffman, Owens picked up enough of them to win.

 

[Ausm]

And yet your partisan ass *still* hasn't shown any knowledge of the candidates.

I ask again, which of Hoffman's policies alienated voters?

You guys hated the Republicans of the past 8 years, and now that the people are trying to kick out the Republicans of the past 8 years, you partisan hacks still throw childish tantrums.

Sorry that you can't deal with the defeat without insulting me...the facts are your theory sucked ass.

 

[Ausm]

Hoffman's lack of knowledge of local issues is what alienated voters.His debate performance was poor. He was a national media sensation for the right, on a local level, he was a failure.

Cubby is a right winger they don't acknowledge facts.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, I know all about the gerimandering of the district. It doesn't change the FACT that people have been constantly parroting the liberal media's narrative about "100 years". The FACT is, this district had a D in 1993. The FACT is that I called people out on it. The ones who have been embarrassed multiple times in this thread are the ones who haven't a clue about the situation and have only followed the media's chatter and narrative. I've followed this closely since it broke as a big story as my uncle's state house race is quite similar in nature.

You apparently didn't or you wouldn't have said something so stupid. The NY-23 that had a Democrat in it was a district made up of almost entirely different people. What is important to anyone with a functioning brain is how the people in an area voted, not the arbitrarily assigned number of their district.

For example, the 11th district in Brooklyn has pretty much voted for Democrats as long as the 23rd had voted for Republicans (with one exception). If you suddenly had switched the 23rd's name to the 11th, and the 11th to the 23rd, would it be BIG NEWS that districts which hadn't gone for the other party in a century suddenly did? Of course not, because the same people were voting the same way, just with a different name attached. If the people in Brooklyn suddenly voted in a Republican, that would be news. This is not difficult.

You were either ignorant of the redistricting in the area, or were being willfully dishonest by attempting to assert that the people in NY-23 today had voted in a Democrat as recently as 1993 by showing the results of a congressional district that was made up of different areas.

So, you're either stupid or a liar.

 

[dmcowen674]

ElectShaw2010

Independent my ass

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is probably wrong. Scozzafava's supporters held overwhelmingly negative views of Hoffman (about 15% approval), and slightly better but still terrible views of Owens (about 20% approval) and they approved of Obama by a significant margin. What that all adds up to makes perfect sense, Scozzafava's supporters were moderates. Given the choice between a moderate Democrat and an extreme conservative in Hoffman, Owens picked up enough of them to win.

No concrete way to know, however I shouldn't be surprised if those 5 or 6 percent didn't know there wasn't a republican in the mix. If that is correct then I don't think that people who just voted "R" on instinct would pull the "D" instead.

 

[cubby1223]

Cubby is a right winger they don't acknowledge facts.

You far more often than not speak of subjective conclusions, not facts. I'll acknowledge facts when you present them.

Any casual observer of this thread who doesn't have pom-pons in hand can clearly see who's partisan. So I really have nothing further to say to you =D