GOP goes anti-capitalism, tries to block Tesla Motors from selling in N. Carolina

HomerJS

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So why do the righties have their hate on for Tesla? Its innovation, a modern car startup. They borrowed money from the government and paid it back. What gives?

The Republican Party has for years insisted that they were the party of capitalism, of the “free market.” However, when the opportunity to show this appears, they instead do everything they can to prevent a free market from forming. Tesla Motors is now calling them on it, after North Carolina voted on a bill designed to eliminate their direct sales model, which bypasses the traditional 3rd party dealer system. As reported by the News Observer, the new law would ban direct sales, forcing auto makers to sell through a dealer even if it is a direct purchase from the manufacturer. This directly injured Tesla’s ability to sell in the state, but even more concerning, it limits future innovation in the auto sales industry.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/0...-tesla-motors-from-selling-in-north-carolina/
 

Lithium381

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Lame . . . GOP keep burying themselves. . . I've pretty much written them off already!
 

ivwshane

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I guess when they said they are for limited government they meant a government that limits you to what they want, abortion, voter suppression, and now they are blocking capitalism at work.

Let's see who defends them in this thread.
 

woolfe9998

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This sounds more like they caved to lobbying from auto dealerships - who probably have a statewide association of some kind - than it does an ideological opposition to electric vehicles. Either way, it's wrong.
 

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The GOP basically adopted similar tactics with broadband and big media. They think they are aligning with the goliaths of industries (we represent business!) when they really are enabling aged dinosaurs to stagnant innovation and progress. The GOP has become a big turn off to a lot of fiscal conservatives.
 

Double Trouble

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I'm 100% opposed to the gop on this. The forced 3rd party intermediary model is archaic and serves no legitimate purpose anymore.
 

Jaskalas

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I give considerably more leverage to State governments, but even this is quite insane. I wonder if the people of North Carolina want the liberty of direct purchase, will their votes reflect that in future elections?

What do you think the chances of that happening are?
If the people of North Carolina do not want it - who are we to argue?

As for the GOP - everyone should already know that they are big business - not free business. Feel free to use this to reinforce that point.
 

Double Trouble

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I'm not familiar with your post history but if I may what is your political leaning?

I dislike both parties, I agree with each party on certain things and disagree on others, but overall I lean conservative so I tend to agree with the GOP position more often than not. In this case, I'm in the "not" category. This looks like bullshit politics (lobbying by various groups and dislike for Tesla) over sticking to a philosophy of limited government.
 

michal1980

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This is all part of the dealerships buying up politicians.

OP is a lefty partisan. The same thing nearly happened in NY. And just about any state with strong dealership laws.

The left should be all on board with the GOP on this issue. Aren't you all about equality? and hate discrimination?

Why should the government discriminate against the car dealer model, by granting special status to Tesla?
 

nextJin

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This is all part of the dealerships buying up politicians.

OP is a lefty partisan. The same thing nearly happened in NY. And just about any state with strong dealership laws.

The left should be all on board with the GOP on this issue. Aren't you all about equality? and hate discrimination?

Why should the government discriminate against the car dealer model, by granting special status to Tesla?

Tesla is a green energy focused company, that's why liberals are all over it.

Andrew Wilkow was all over the GOP about this on his radio show. It's absurd and they need their asses grilled. It's not like this is going to kill the auto industry they have a fraction of the market.
 

Matt1970

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Completely false title. Nobody is blocking Tesla from selling anything, they just have to go through a dealership. That happens all the time with a LOT more industries than you know about. Welcome to Government 101.
 

cubby1223

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The article might have been more interesting to read if the author wasn't one of the more heavily slanted writer's out there.

What happens if you buy your Tesla and it needs warranty work done on it? Ship the car from North Carolina all the way back to California?

It is quite interesting how the progressives now are the ones against protecting local middle-class jobs in favor of higher profits to corporations. I could pretty much guarantee if car dealerships were unionized the Democrats would be introducing bills to ban Tesla's direct sales while Republicans try to prevent that in the name of free markets.
 
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Matt1970

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The article might have been more interesting to read if the author wasn't one of the more heavily slanted writer's out there.

What happens if you buy your Tesla and it needs warranty work done on it? Ship the car from North Carolina all the way back to California?

It is quite interesting how the progressives now are the ones against protecting local middle-class jobs in favor of higher profits to corporations. I could pretty much guarantee if car dealerships were unionized the Democrats would be introducing bills to ban Tesla's direct sales while Republicans try to prevent that in the name of free markets.

No, they just ship you the part and you put it in yourself
 

nehalem256

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The GOP basically adopted similar tactics with broadband and big media. They think they are aligning with the goliaths of industries (we represent business!) when they really are enabling aged dinosaurs to stagnant innovation and progress. The GOP has become a big turn off to a lot of fiscal conservatives.

Wouldn't the "goliaths" be companies like Ford, Toyota, Hyundai who would seemingly be negatively affected by a direct sales ban?

While the GOP is protected smaller locally owned businesses?

I mean if you allow Tesla to sell direct couldn't GM then sue for the same right?
 

PokerGuy

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There should not be any exemptions for one company, there should be no restrictions on direct selling without the need for a dealer.
 

Murloc

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It is quite interesting how the progressives now are the ones against protecting local middle-class jobs in favor of higher profits to corporations. I could pretty much guarantee if car dealerships were unionized the Democrats would be introducing bills to ban Tesla's direct sales while Republicans try to prevent that in the name of free markets.
in america the whole political spectrum is economically on the right.
If someone is protecting a lobby/guild/other freedom-limitating structure it's because there's a direct interest/exchange of votes.
I think this explains why both sides are on the ideologically opposed position here, it doesn't depend on their ideology but on who the dealership lobby is currently supporting.
 

werepossum

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I dislike both parties, I agree with each party on certain things and disagree on others, but overall I lean conservative so I tend to agree with the GOP position more often than not. In this case, I'm in the "not" category. This looks like bullshit politics (lobbying by various groups and dislike for Tesla) over sticking to a philosophy of limited government.
This, exactly. One disadvantage of direct sales is in service, so there is some legitimacy in requiring that a manufacturer have dealers within the state and thus within the state's jurisdiction. Nonetheless, if someone has a hundred grand to drop on an electric car, I don't think we need to protect them from themselves.
 
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This sounds more like they caved to lobbying from auto dealerships - who probably have a statewide association of some kind - than it does an ideological opposition to electric vehicles. Either way, it's wrong.

Auto dealerships? For once I would think moreso the oil industry Or am I wrong there?

I wouldn't say Tesla is competing with other car companies. Tesla's competition is the oil industry.

If you're going to buy a $50-70k electric car, you're going to buy an electric $50-70k car. No one says "Hmmm, should I buy a Tesla or a <insert any inexpensive or expensive car brand>?"
 
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Also, if this is true - I really do have to say the corruption in politics is just really getting out of hand. Hands off the market.
 

berzerker60

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Tesla now has 'showrooms' in each of these states they can't sell directly, where people can look at the car, talk about its features, but the employees are forbidden to discuss sales. They can only recommend you read the website, where certain information might be found. It's silly to have this walk-around. God forbid we create jobs in this country by helping new businesses and business models develop.

Ex.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-24/local/40164497_1_tesla-motors-model-s-elon-musk
"In Va., Tesla Motors has a showroom where it can&#8217;t make sales" in Washington Post
The car manufacturer has petitioned Virginia to grant it an exemption. If granted, it could set a precedent for car manufacturers looking to sell their cars in the state without the middle man.
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But Tesla is hitting roadblocks like the one in Virginia across the country, most recently in North Carolina, Texas, Minnesota and New York. Forty-eight states ban or limit direct sales of automobiles, according to the Chicago Tribune.
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Tesla&#8217;s journey in Virginia began in March 2012. An exemption to the no-direct-auto-sales law can be made if the commissioner of the Department of Motor Vehicles finds that no independent dealer in the community is available to &#8220;own and operate the franchise in a manner consistent with the public interest.&#8221;



A hearing officer twice recommended that Tesla be allowed to operate its own dealership, despite objections from the Virginia Automobile Dealers Association.


Tesla published notices, as required by law, in The Washington Post and the Washington Times in June 2012 inviting parties interested in running a franchise to attend a hearing at the DMV. None came.


&#8220;Could Tesla have done more? Of course it could. It could have placed notices in every journal in Virginia, Washington and Maryland,&#8221; hearing officer W. James Dangoia wrote. &#8220;It could have posted notices on supermarket bulletin boards and hired skywriters. But the only notice that is required is the publication of the notice that Tesla did in fact publish.&#8221;


DMV Commissioner Richard Holcomb, however, declined to authorize the exemption, saying in documents that he needed more information about Tesla&#8217;s efforts to identify or solicit potential dealers.
 
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cubby1223

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Wait, is Tesla is banned from opening their own dealership locations in these states?

I can totally see if Tesla were banned from selling a vehicle in a state they have no presence in, as it would likely invalidate all of the state level consumer protection laws.
 
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From my understanding the car dealership lobbyists managed years ago to implement policy and law changes to forbid any car manufacturer from selling direct to their consumers. They have to use a dealership to do it. This is just utterly ridiculous. You can buy any product just about and buy it direct from the company who makes it, except cars. Tesla has been trying to go to court over this, and even tried to set up their own dealership, but the obstacles they face are corrupt politicians whose pockets are lined by the lobby's and big oil. Big oil companies are very much afraid of these electric vehicles, or any vehicle that isn't dependent on gas. A friend of mine actually managed to buy a Tesla car, and he says the thing is amazing and is probably the best made care he has ever owned.

This is just stifling free market in this country by doing this.
 

HomerJS

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Tesla is a green energy focused company, that's why liberals are all over it.

Andrew Wilkow was all over the GOP about this on his radio show. It's absurd and they need their asses grilled. It's not like this is going to kill the auto industry they have a fraction of the market.

Maybe it has more to do with this. The fact that it is an electric car should be a win-win for everyone.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports/index.html

Tesla: Consumer Reports' best car ever tested
 
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