GOP goes anti-capitalism, tries to block Tesla Motors from selling in N. Carolina

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berzerker60

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What are you going to do if any out of state (or *gasp* foreign) company fails to honor a warranty? Sue them and watch them go out of business if that's how bad their business practices are. My phone is made by Samsung, a foreign company, yet I have a pretty decent idea that it's still a valid warranty (even if it will be slow to ship). If I find a finger in my beer manufactured in NY, that doesn't mean they're legally immune because I'm in PA.
 

ivwshane

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I would eliminate most if not all protectionist laws, but thanks for playing, wingnut.

I'm just amused to see you idiots in here defending a corporation.

"Waaaahhhh, Tesla needs to cut dealerships out so they can profit more!! Waaaahhhhh!"

My ideology is flexible and changes according to facts, is yours?

I see something that has no benefit to consumers being done to protect a minority and places unnecessary restrictions on the market place. An idiot would be someone who is unwilling to change their positions due to their ideology despite what the facts are.

Sorry I don't fit into your distorted reality. Maybe you should add something to the discussion so people know where you stand as opposed to talking crap but that would require actual thinking and something tells me you aren't too good with that.
 

ivwshane

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Fern

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What are you going to do if any out of state (or *gasp* foreign) company fails to honor a warranty? Sue them and watch them go out of business if that's how bad their business practices are. My phone is made by Samsung, a foreign company, yet I have a pretty decent idea that it's still a valid warranty (even if it will be slow to ship). If I find a finger in my beer manufactured in NY, that doesn't mean they're legally immune because I'm in PA.

You're ignoring the point.

An NC resident would have to go to CA to file suit.

You wouldn't have to do that with your examples.

Different thing.

Fern
 

Fern

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Lol. So there might be a loophole that tesla was exploiting but you aren't aware of it but you are sure as shit know that car manufactures couldn't use that same loophole?

Keep trying.

Keep trying to communicate in English.

Fix what you typed so it at least as makes sense and I'll respond.

Fern
 

waggy

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What are you going to do if they fail to honor the warranty, for example?

You made an out-of-state purchase with an out-of-state seller. You're going to have to go file suit in CA if you have a disagreement with them. You have no grounds to sue them in your state, it has no jurisdiction.

NC is a damn long way from CA.

Fern

same thing now.

take it to a mechanic. there are ways around this silly argument.
 

werepossum

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There are also federal statutes which protect consumers in the context of inter-state transactions, right? The point being that the state of N. Carolina isn't the only legal protection for resident consumers.
True. However, I think this is primarily North Carolina protecting North Carolina's interests, not primarily North Carolina protecting consumers. No state wants to lose out on $100,000 car sales.

I suppose I misunderstood you. I was referring to prospect of taxation on an out-of-state sell by an out-of-state seller.

Yet if you're an NC Congressperson who exactly is the type that can literally raise the most hell with you? These people, the ones with the money.

Fern
Nope, I was detailing the reasons Tesla would not want to open dealerships in North Carolina as long as they are selling all they can make without them. Tesla will incur unique (to its business model) costs; no company wants to do that if there is no concurrent benefit. That's just good business. The dealers already have these expenses and generally cannot sell their product without them; ain't many people gonna buy the new Nova without being able to test drive it and having someone in whose face the finger of accusation can be strenuously waved if it turns out to be a lemon. And the third point of view is the state's - by allowing such high-ticket items to be sold without a dealer network, it loses both direct and indirect tax revenue as well as jobs.

You make a good point about the power of those able to buy a $100,000 electric car, but I don't think any of them are complaining. It's possible they might be complaining in the future, but it seems like Tesla makes a pretty darned good automobile. And as Wolfe points out, these people can be directed to federal protections.

EDIT: Regarding serving summons, as I understand it Tesla does maintain a showroom in North Carolina. As an agent of Tesla, they could be served there. Professionals practicing in North Carolina have to maintain cubie offices for much the same reason.

Lol. So there might be a loophole that tesla was exploiting but you aren't aware of it but you are sure as shit and know that car manufactures couldn't use that same loophole?

Keep trying.
LOL A loophole is an unintended way around legislation. Generally speaking, legislators seek to close loopholes, not make sure they are equally available to all. Whether or not other automobile manufacturers COULD use the same loophole is immaterial; North Carolina's problem is that Tesla IS using the loophole. The prospect that other automobile manufacturers might possibly use the same loophole just makes it worse from the state's point of view.
 
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Matt1970

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Why would it be mandated by law?

Other than cars? I'm thinking of buying food online. Using your logic, shouldn't that be illegal and require a dealer (store)?

It's not my logic, it's just the way things are. You can buy all kinds of food online, but the vast majority of it will be from distributors or retailers, not the actualy manufacturers.
 

thraashman

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What do you think we're talking about here? It's regulated capitalism. Protecting the economy from the evils of massive corporations and promoting employment.

But here the Democrat faithful are, bleating against anything the GOP are backing without even considering where it came from, even if it means sticking up for corporations.

You imbeciles don't even realize how stupid you look.

I never even said I was necessarily against this (I'm also not necessarily for it), just that the reasons to defend this GOP action are bullshit because it goes against everything the GOP says they stand for. The GOP constantly rails against big government and too much regulation and is all about the free market. So this is completely against everything they stand for. And it's obvious the reason they're doing it is because it's a green initiative that was supported by Obama.
 
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OP I thought you didn't like Capitalism so what's the problem?


I never even said I was necessarily against this (I'm also not necessarily for it), just that the reasons to defend this GOP action are bullshit because it goes against everything the GOP says they stand for. The GOP constantly rails against big government and too much regulation and is all about the free market. So this is completely against everything they stand for. And it's obvious the reason they're doing it is because it's a green initiative that was supported by Obama.

Global warming isn't a problem though.
 

BlueWolf47

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Incorrupt8 said:
OP I thought you didn't like Capitalism so what's the problem?




Global warming isn't a problem though.

I have to applaud you on your consistency. Not once have strayed away from your inherent ignorance of the world around you.
 

piasabird

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Dealership is just a paper drill. Set one up in the state and fax them and order form and then deliver the car. If the law says all cars are sold the same way then that is how it has to be done. There is probably a specific reason cars have to be sold this way. It is probably to do away with fly by night snake oil salesmen who disappear with your money.
 

DucatiMonster696

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So? Why do new companies have to play by the rules of the old ones?

I don't know maybe we should go ask Ford and GM and their unionized labor force who got billions in taxpayer bailouts. Though I would love to see non-unionize Telsa be able to compete with the big boys in the US auto industry who use government as a means to and end.
 
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Gintaras

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There's no such thing - Capitalism anymore.
If you wish, you can call it - Corporatism.
And corporations do bribe(bribery is legal in US, it's just called - fundraising) both democrats and republicans and corporations don't care who'll win elections - either one will "dance by theirs music"...

There's a good documentary on DVD - The Corporation.
 

piasabird

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Tesla is more like a Luxury sedan targeting more well to do clientel. That is fine with me. Most people that buy things like Solar Panels are not doing it to save money. If they want to feel like they are preserving our environment that is fine with me. Why should they be compared to Ford or toyota anyway? That is not their market. There are plenty of rich guys wanting to buy a nice car so just pander to the wealthy. I cant afford one any time soon.
 

piasabird

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You do realize that when you purchase an all-electric car that you get like an $8,000 credit for the purchase. Your tax dollars are paying for that.

This is just corporate welfare. When Ford and Chevy make electric cars they use the same sales model.

This is not capitalism.
 
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