GOP New bill allow employer to choose not pay 1.5x OT hourly

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ch33zw1z

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Paragraph 6 days they have to give them the higher of current wages or previous wages. That's good.

Now you are complaining that a company could make someone take OT pay as opposed to comp time? I thought the complaint was they could give comp time as opposed to OT?
I'm not complaining about anything.

Just pointing out that you need to continue reading to get to the paragraph referenced.

I work for an employer that will likely not press force comp time in my division, but the prospect of reducing vacation time and going with comp time to make up to the Vaca time and reduce overtime is not something out of the ballpark.

I can totally see my employer taking away a week or two of vacation as a means to get you to take the comp time, which is bullshit.
 
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The only issue I see is that as far as I can tell the comp time does not accrue at 1.5 times normal time, meaning the employee is still losing out on 'money'. I can also see how despite the law saying you can't pressure employees into taking comp time... plenty of places are going to do exactly that.

That being said, some people would genuinely prefer more time off as opposed to more money and giving them the option isn't bad. I wish I had more faith in the administration actually doing the enforcement necessary to prevent this from being abused.
I don't see it that way. I see the compensation if time isn't taken is at their regular rate but it would be for, as an example, 12 hours if they worked 8 hours of overtime since the time off would have been at a rate of 12 hours compensatory time.
 

fskimospy

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I don't see it that way. I see the compensation if time isn't taken is at their regular rate but it would be for, as an example, 12 hours if they worked 8 hours of overtime since the time off would have been at a rate of 12 hours.

If that's the case then all the better! It's not a terrible bill IMO, it seems fine overall. Additional flexibility is nice but it does seem like it will probably end up being abused. Then again employers already try and abuse the current overtime rules.
 

RearAdmiral

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Except a company could make you take pay as comp time, then never actually take the time off. Thus going for time and half to zero time. At least I think that is the fear.

I just read the bill, and it looks damn good to me, actually. I have a natural distrust of republicans messing with labor laws, and with the dems fighting it hard there might be a catch I'm missing. But it looks like it is 100% employee's choice for comp time or pay, the comp time accrues at time and half, there are responsible max accruals, and unused comp time has to be paid out.

Really this is very similar to many companies policies for exempt engineers (except no time and half for engies). I personally always preferred comp time, unless I was working a ton of OT at once.

Does any one know what the Dems have against this?

Comp time could also be great for people that work unpredictable jobs where they could be working 7/12s one month, then have no work and no hours the next month.

I'm not totally sure how folks can get screwed here either. This is basically how it already works for the Federal Govt. workers except better(1.5 hrs comp / hour instead of 1).

Either the Union accepts it as a CBA, or the employee voluntarily accepts it but not as a condition of employment(I guess this is where people might get screwed despite this not being a condition of employment technically?).

Taking the bill at face value it seems fine. Not sure how reality will play out.
 

HomerJS

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umbrella39

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My Hospital group which is one of the largest in the country already started doing this BULLSHIT last year with all of our Holiday's. We USED to get paid, now they go into our PTO bank. My Hospital would love nothing more than for this to pass so they could stop paying us OT, too...
 

hal2kilo

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They'll pay you out in comp time, which you won't be able to collect on since they'll never grant you your time off.
Bingo!! I already barely can take off enough time to keep from loosing leave. I don't think people realize how few people are employed that are doing all the work.
 

hal2kilo

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Considering I would never ever work a job where I was "forced" to work more than 40 hours even if I was paid for it, if I was, I'd much rather have PTO than 1.5x my pay. People in this country already work way too much. I already have a very healthy work/life balance and have worked more than 40 hours a week exactly 2 times, and I was compensated for it, but it is also a huge reason I left that company - because they had terrible project managers who didn't know how to plan and schedule things.
Now wonder this countries going to shit. Like working more than 40 hours a week will kill you.
 
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purbeast0

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Now wonder this countries going to shit. Like working more than 40 hours a week will kill you.
No wonder this country is full of fat asses who are depressed and unhappy. No wonder the family life in this country is now in the shitter. All they do is work and never get to enjoy their free time to do stuff they enjoy and spend time with family.

Your problem is you think you have to work more than 40 hours to be productive. I get more work done in a week than most people do in 2, and I work no more than 40 hours. It's not about how many hours you work, it's about how productive you are.

Sorry that I agreed to get paid $X for 40 hours a week to work and that I don't want to work for free like a bunch of idiots do and think it's some badge of honor because they are working for free (or OT in some case - I'll take my free time over OT, as mentioned).
 
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mxnerd

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Trump:

“My people are so smart,” “And you know what else they say about my people? … They say I have the most loyal people.”

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters.

"It's, like, incredible."
 

repoman0

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Now wonder this countries going to shit. Like working more than 40 hours a week will kill you.

There are a lot of reasons the country is going to shit and refusing to work more than 40 hours a week is not one of them.
 
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I'm not totally sure how folks can get screwed here either. This is basically how it already works for the Federal Govt. workers except better(1.5 hrs comp / hour instead of 1).

Either the Union accepts it as a CBA, or the employee voluntarily accepts it but not as a condition of employment(I guess this is where people might get screwed despite this not being a condition of employment technically?).

Taking the bill at face value it seems fine. Not sure how reality will play out.

How they'll get screwed is either:
1) It will be nearly impossible to use the accrued time off
2) It will be frowned upon to use the time off
3) They remove some vacation time to make using the worked time off easier

We've been down this road 70-80 years ago we know how it ends why try again and hope for a different result.

Edit: Imaging what happens when big data figures out people can be worked over time when its busy and worked fewer hours (forced to use earned time off) when its not busy. The scheduling could get very ugly.
 

fskimospy

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Trump:

“My people are so smart,” “And you know what else they say about my people? … They say I have the most loyal people.”

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters.

"It's, like, incredible."

It's interesting that his 'most loyal people' can't seem to stop leaking information about what a childish, unstable moron he is.
 

brycejones

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How they'll get screwed is either:
1) It will be nearly impossible to use the accrued time off
2) It will be frowned upon to use the time off
3) They remove some vacation time to make using the worked time off easier

We've been down this road 70-80 years ago we know how it ends why try again and hope for a different result.

Edit: Imaging what happens when big data figures out people can be worked over time when its busy and worked fewer hours (forced to use earned time off) when its not busy. The scheduling could get very ugly.

Restaurants will love this.
 

UNCjigga

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Those Rust Belt voters who flipped their states red must feel really good about this...they finally get to stick it to their evil union bosses who keep fighting for better pay and overtime rules!
 

K1052

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Those Rust Belt voters who flipped their states red must feel really good about this...they finally get to stick it to their evil union bosses who keep fighting for better pay and overtime rules!

Lots of union members like Trump's persona and his talk about immigrants, thus they voted for him. The GOP will use that leverage to try to reduce or destroy unions wherever possible while Trump tells these same voters they're winning bigly during signings that fuck them over.

I'm nearing the point of if people want to give me lots more money through lower taxes, reduce my costs of doing business by gutting labor protections and healthcare requirements, and do so at their own expense I guess I'm gonna let them since they're so insistent. Who am I to stand in the way of the people's will?
 
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I don't see it that way. I see the compensation if time isn't taken is at their regular rate but it would be for, as an example, 12 hours if they worked 8 hours of overtime since the time off would have been at a rate of 12 hours compensatory time.

I saw in there somewhere that "comp shall not be less than one and one half hours" so I think its a safe bet 8 hours OT = 12 hours off.
Still stinks we all agree D & R that hours worked and wages are a problem. Why make it harder to earn the wage portion.
 

trenchfoot

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No shit now that Facebook is fighting fake news it's back to the 700 Club for instructions on how to think.

You know, out of curiosity, I actually watched a segment of 700 Club once, and being an outsider who was not conditioned over time to view whatever was being broadcast as "normal" generic religious fare, I very quickly began to realize how clever it was of the management there to so casually mix religion and politics as a method of propagandizing its viewers into the fold.

It felt like watching a FOX version of TVangelism with a political agenda as its primary function, and I started to wonder if the GOP or some other very wealthy conservative like the Koch Bro's owned and operated this religiously flavored........"public service"?

As an aside, I quite recently viewed the FOX channel to see what kind of spin they were applying to Trump's Russian connection and damned if they're now crowning Hannity as their new Propagandist in Chief now that O'Reilly abdicated his crown.

Talk about desperate. I wonder if Beck's ego took a major hit when that coronation took place.
 
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fskimospy

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Those Rust Belt voters who flipped their states red must feel really good about this...they finally get to stick it to their evil union bosses who keep fighting for better pay and overtime rules!

It's always amazing to me when I see people lament the decline of manufacturing jobs because they are a means why which someone with little education can earn a good living and then simultaneously argue against unions. Did anyone stop and think WHY manufacturing jobs pay more where's nothing inherent in manufacturing that would make it that way? I'll give them a hint: unions.
 
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trenchfoot

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So I guess the end result, the goal as it were, is to have every hourly paid worker in the nation accept being paid a salary instead.

I've personally experienced how salaried folks get regularly abused as far as hours worked and how the comp time feature gets willfully abused by some management types.

In an ideal world, getting paid a salary can be quite advantageous in an working environment that rewards extra effort and time in office with commensurate increases in pay, and I've also experienced that too. However, for the profiteers who have a habit of abusing their workers, being paid a salary is a great way to squeeze more work out of an employee without compensating them for it.
 

dank69

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It's always amazing to me when I see people lament the decline of manufacturing jobs because they are a means why which someone with little education can earn a good living and then simultaneously argue against unions. Did anyone stop and think WHY manufacturing jobs pay more where's nothing inherent in manufacturing that would make it that way? I'll give them a hint: unions.
But...but...union dues!
 

ch33zw1z

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I got a few union peeps I know/they call me for tech stuff, union dues are not even out of control for them, and they $40/month for healthcare, I'm like...wtf
 

Viper GTS

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This actually looks pretty fair to everyone involved, for those who have actually read the entire bill what do you still have objections to?

Also the title to this thread is deceptive bullshit that needs to be corrected.

Viper GTS
 
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