As long as Democrats keep treating it as too toxic to campaign on and the media spends its time reporting on its unpopularity and the politics of it Republicans don't need an exit strategy.
I want to collect pre-ACA horror stories. I want to collect free-market horror stories. I want to collect heterosexual-marriage horror stories. I want to collect Fundamentalist Christian horror stories. I want to collect pro-NRA horror stories.Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers took to Facebook to get Obamacare horror stories.
LOL
I wonder what Ted Cruz is going to post.
I want to collect pre-ACA horror stories. I want to collect free-market horror stories. I want to collect heterosexual-marriage horror stories. I want to collect Fundamentalist Christian horror stories. I want to collect pro-NRA horror stories.
Can we all accept as a given that there are tons of horror stories based on philosophies of every persuasion, every religious or political position, every age, every gender, every country?
Of course there are, and finding and publicizing horror stories reveals NOTHING about whether the source is good or bad.
So I'm sure we can find stories about a family who were forced out of their old insurance because of the ACA, who then signed up for an ACA-compliant policy through HeathCare.gov, but who had a child died because of some ACA bureaucratic error that meant the child didn't receive adequate care. And this horror story means exactly squat, except to demagogues and their gullible victims.
As long as Democrats keep treating it as too toxic to campaign on and the media spends its time reporting on its unpopularity and the politics of it Republicans don't need an exit strategy.
I want to collect pre-ACA horror stories. I want to collect free-market horror stories. I want to collect heterosexual-marriage horror stories. I want to collect Fundamentalist Christian horror stories. I want to collect pro-NRA horror stories.
Here is an idea... instead of building another huge bureaucracy with Obamacare.... wait for it.... why not fix Medicare or Medicaid and prevent the billions lost in fraud and then expand Medicare to cover the 30 million who need insurance? I know. It makes too much sense. Let's just build another bloated, inefficient govt entity vs fixing what we have and using what we have.
The Republicans have been railing against Obamacare for so long that they have no exit strategy now that the program appears to be exceeding expectations. It is quite obvious why they are suddenly switching gears to focus on foreign policy.
So far it has cost 2 to 3 times (depending which CBO report you believe the most) as much as predicted and has reduced the number of uninsured by less than 30% -- even though it's a law.
That is "exceeding expectations" ??
I guess in terms of past programs devised by the federal government -- having something cost 3X what was expected and reach 30% of the goal is better than their historical average.
In liberal utopia world of unicorns and puppy dogs (free, of course), it is celebrated.
In the private sector it gets you fired.
No wonder liberals hate the private sector.
.Obamacare, as it is commonly known, will cost 20 percent less than previously projected over the next decade, the CBO said Monday. The reason for the revised estimate is a result of a decline of healthcare inflation, the Los Angeles Times reported. In addition, the number of uninsured Americans has fallen by 12 million, the CBO estimates, and an additional 12 million are expected to gain insurance by the end of 2016.
Through 2019, the law's insurance provisions will cost an estimated $571 billion, down $139 billion from the CBO's initial estimates
So far it has cost 2 to 3 times (depending which CBO report you believe the most) as much as predicted and has reduced the number of uninsured by less than 30% -- even though it's a law.
That is "exceeding expectations" ??
I guess in terms of past programs devised by the federal government -- having something cost 3X what was expected and reach 30% of the goal is better than their historical average.
In liberal utopia world of unicorns and puppy dogs (free, of course), it is celebrated.
In the private sector it gets you fired.
No wonder liberals hate the private sector.
sportage... Most of what you said regarding republicans is false or an extreme exaggeration. Stop believing the liberal lies. Please.
So far it has cost 2 to 3 times (depending which CBO report you believe the most) as much as predicted and has reduced the number of uninsured by less than 30% -- even though it's a law.
That is "exceeding expectations" ??
sportage... Most of what you said regarding republicans is false or an extreme exaggeration. Stop believing the liberal lies. Please.
Media coverage has been shifting a lot, in case you didn't notice, simply because predictions of Doom! have not come true. It's easy enough to cast images of the boogeyman onto the future, exploit fear of the unknown. Unfortunately for Repubs, as the unknown becomes known, they're starting to run out of projections & necessarily have to deal with facts.
They won't find many favorable to their cause. For now, Dems can sit back & enjoy the show, watch Repubs throw themselves off the cliff of reason, same as they did with Terri Schiavo.
The Repub base needs fresh meat, anyway, on a regular basis so that they won't have time to really think about much of anything. At some point, the recycling of phony issues won't pass the sniff test, even for them.
I haven't bothered really following any mainstream media for a while now, in large part from them blowing their credibility in my eyes with their ACA coverage, so if the shift is actually happening then no I haven't noticed but I'm glad to hear it might be. Is the Medicaid gap and the millions of people being left to rot by it getting any widespread attention or is that still a thing that shall not be named by the news? I live in a gap state and judging from the main page of the local news site I get my weather from you'd never know it. And that is where the real "Obamacare horror stories" are.
They (democrats) originally wanted to do exactly that.
Simply "expand" medicare instead of introducing Obamacare.
But if you remember, and obviously few do, doing that would have been too much like Universal Healthcare for republicans to swallow.
And God forbid we could ever have THAT...
Instead, the insistence was that any healthcare reform must maintain our private healthcare for profit system. Our then, and current system.
But yes, medicare expansion would have solved most everything allowing the uninsured to become insured. Could have been more easily done. Would have been consistent state after state. And would have left practically no one high and dry without insurance.
But THAT could never be allowed, so said the republicans.
So it is amazing that Obama was able to get passed the little that he did.
Even though, all we really have is the same-o same-o healthcare for profit system we have always had.
With a few reforms tossed in to end pre-existing condition clause, benefit caps, ending basic healthcare for profit trickery like that.
Obamacare is a far cry from national healthcare or universal healthcare.
What gets me is that republicans still refuse to stomach this system, a system that simply pools private providers together offering more choice outside of the employment environment.
And allowing more access for more people.
I don't get them thar republicans...?
They actually feel and believe the fewer people covered is the way to go, with people showing up at the ER for simple treatment, with no ability to pay, and passing those ER costs onto those that are insured through employment.
Naturally, least we forgot, resulting in ever rising healthcare costs year after year for employer based healthcare. Higher cost, higher co-pays, with reduced benefit, year after year.
Remember the old days?
Remember when either your employer had to drastically raise your premiums yearly, or constantly switch providers trying to save a buck, or most likely both.
That was and is the republican healthcare plan.
Employer based healthcare insurance, with ever rising premiums, that few could afford to take out.
If anyone believes Obamacare is bad, just imagine what you would be paying today for employer based healthcare without ACA?
All those employed that would have dropped insurance simply because it was far too expensive to take out.
And those companies that had to end offering healthcare insurance, because the company simply could no longer afford the rates.
And what would hospitals had to do to survive?
Stop taking in ER visitors unless they paid up front, or deciding the emergency was not life threatening and turning the patient away untreated.
Hospitals have to make a buck too, in order to stay afloat.
Remember that Ebola patient down in Texas?
Sick, went to the ER, sent home with Tylenol, then he died.
He had no healthcare insurance.
The hospital could not afford to admit him, and he could not afford private insurance.
Multiply that healthcare scenario by millions, and that would be the current republican healthcare plan.
OK.... Let republicans repeal Obamacare, and just wait and see how long until your employer tells you they are no longer offering healthcare for employees due to costs
Or, you realize that you can no longer afford to take out employer based healthcare.
Then, what the F**K will you do?
Vote in more republicans????
Here is an idea... instead of building another huge bureaucracy with Obamacare.... wait for it.... why not fix Medicare or Medicaid and prevent the billions lost in fraud and then expand Medicare to cover the 30 million who need insurance? I know. It makes too much sense. Let's just build another bloated, inefficient govt entity vs fixing what we have and using what we have.
I stopped believing the liberal lies years ago. I still recommend the same to you.You should take your own advice
I stopped believing the liberal lies years ago. I still recommend the same to you.
(Even though I know you'll keep hating the repubs/conservatives/anyone-but-obie no matter what... just because the liberal media keeps telling you to)
You probably were too busy nodding your head yes, but just review what the repub hater said line by line with an open mind. Even you should see the lies and exaggeration. I'll hope.
I'm getting my numbers from the CBO. Initial cost over 10yrs $900,000,000,000. Latest reported cost as of January: $2,069,000,000,000. That is 2.298X original.As has been pointed out, your cost claims are totally wrong. And "exceeding expectations" is exactly that: exceeding what was predicted for the ACA before it actually went into effect. Interesting how those expectations weren't poo-poo'ed by the right as being too modest BEFORE the results came in. All we heard was "train wreck" and "disaster," with no specifics whatsoever as to what horrible outcomes were "expected" by Republicans. I guess it's pretty easy to go ultra-negative when you don't have to put specific "train wreck" figures where your mouth is.
(Note also that the 22 red states that have refused to accept federal funds to expand Medicaid reduced the increase of insured Americans by 5.1 million. Just think of that: The right was so desperate to make the ACA fail that they screwed 5.1 million poor people out of health insurance.)
So far it has cost 2 to 3 times (depending which CBO report you believe the most) as much as predicted and has reduced the number of uninsured by less than 30% -- even though it's a law.
That is "exceeding expectations" ??
I guess in terms of past programs devised by the federal government -- having something cost 3X what was expected and reach 30% of the goal is better than their historical average.
In liberal utopia world of unicorns and puppy dogs (free, of course), it is celebrated.
In the private sector it gets you fired.
No wonder liberals hate the private sector.
Has it crossed your mind that instead you could be being lied to by conservatives now?
I'm getting my numbers from the CBO. Initial cost over 10yrs $900,000,000,000. Latest reported cost as of January: $2,069,000,000,000. That is 2.298X original.
In reviewing the liberal take of the new $2,069,000,000,000 cost, the "lower" cost being reported reduces that amount by the net projected receipts of all the fines imposed on people (to the amount of $643,000,000,000) If any of us ran a publically traded business and used the same accounting trickery that has been laid upon you, we'd be in jail.
That $643,000,000,000 is still a cost to us. The only difference is it comes out of your left pocket instead of your right pocket.
My other figure is 12,000,000 newly insured thanks to obamacare / 45,000,000 uninsured this trainwreck was supposed to fix. 12,000,000/45,000,000 = 26.67% of the "problem" solved.
The train wreck is $2,069,000,000,000 cost so far and still having 33,000,000 uninsured.
And for good measure: I couldn't keep my doctor, my premiums went up instead of down like Obama promised, and my deductible went up. And extreme medical expenses can still cause me to go bankrupt.
And to comment regarding your ending note. The red states haven't screwed anyone out of health insurance. It's still the law and they must buy it or face Obama's wrath imposed upon them via the IRS.
Yes. That's why I do my own fact checking using the opposing parties numbers. Like my post just above this one.
So far I've noticed the liberal lies far outweigh the conservative lies.