GOP Votes to End Rule Stopping Coal Debris From Being Dumped in Streams

[peonyu]

Another ridiculous regressive move by the GOP. It really is a shame that the terms conservation and conservative seem to be so mutually exclusive.

Make America Disgusting Again.

I voted for Trump because i completely despise Hillary Clinton and much of our current version of liberalism - which seems to be anything but now, and more like fascism by being violent and denying other people free speech as at UC Berkeley - But anyways, I am a environmentalist and i think this is a utterly retarded move. I grew up in South west PA and the creeks there run as brightly orange as the the orange by the log in box at the top of the page, and it is a beautiful area that has nothing alive in the waterways at all there due to mining runoff. That type of environmental damage was wrong 100 years ago but people were ignorant back then, today there is no excuse for this at all.

But look, we only had 2 choices as voters - Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. If it were me, i would wrap up some of Trump's protectionist policies and his wanting to gain control of migration here, with Jill Stein's environmentalism...and some of Hillary's...ok Bill Clinton's ability to be Presidentail [i always liked him not his wife].

 

[MrSquished]

I am sure there are some envronmental regulations that are excessive, but who in their right minds believes dumping coal crap into streams and rivers is sensible?

 

[dank69]

I voted for Trump because i completely despise Hillary Clinton and much of our current version of liberalism - which seems to be anything but now, and more like fascism by being violent and denying other people free speech as at UC Berkeley - But anyways, I am a environmentalist and i think this is a utterly retarded move. I grew up in South west PA and the creeks there run as brightly orange as the the orange by the log in box at the top of the page, and it is a beautiful area that has nothing alive in the waterways at all there due to mining runoff. That type of environmental damage was wrong 100 years ago but people were ignorant back then, today there is no excuse for this at all.

But look, we only had 2 choices as voters - Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. If it were me, i would wrap up some of Trump's protectionist policies and his wanting to gain control of migration here, with Jill Stein's environmentalism...and some of Hillary's...ok Bill Clinton's ability to be Presidentail [i always liked him not his wife].

Enjoy the destruction of our environment. You really showed those fucking liberals.

 

[dank69]

I am sure there are some envronmental regulations that are excessive, but who in their right minds believes dumping coal crap into streams and rivers is sensible?

I support it, especially Michigan, Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania rivers and streams.

 

[peonyu]

Enjoy the destruction of our environment. You really showed those fucking liberals.

If the Democrat's had a actual candidate to vote for, i would have voted Dem most likely. You cant put someone like Hillary on the ticket, someone who cheated at 2 debates and had zero integrity to say that that wasnt right...and then expect everyone to vote for THAT. Thats just one thing she did, im sure you know the other stuff so i wont bore you with the details. Im glad I voted for Trump and she lost, but again we only have 2 real choices to vote for. If there was a viable 3rd party or even a 4th party who had environmental + protectionist policies in mind, thats how i would vote every time. But unfortunately our country is not that way, and we are stuck with a dirty and corrupt 2 party system and in such a system, its give and take...I have some hope that they will amend the rule atleast and insist on filtering requirements for the runoff.

Anyways, where are the protesters at for this one? They protest the Dakota pipeline, yet for something like this there are no protests at all...

 

[dank69]

If the Democrat's had a actual candidate to vote for, i would have voted Dem most likely. You cant put someone like Hillary on the ticket, someone who cheated at 2 debates and had zero integrity to say that that wasnt right...and then expect everyone to vote for THAT. Thats just one thing she did, im sure you know the other stuff so i wont bore you with the details. Im glad I voted for Trump and she lost, but again we only have 2 real choices to vote for. If there was a viable 3rd party or even a 4th party who had environmental + protectionist policies in mind, thats how i would vote every time. But unfortunately our country is not that way, and we are stuck with a dirty and corrupt 2 party system and in such a system, its give and take...I have some hope that they will amend the rule atleast and insist on filtering requirements for the runoff.

Anyways, where are the protesters at for this one? They protest the Dakota pipeline, yet for something like this there are no protests at all...

Look at you, so stupid you think she cheated at the debates. You deserve what you get. Nobody is going to lift a finger to save the rust belt from Trump. You wanted this.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well principles aside we'll probably end up paying for it when the music finally stops for the coal industry. The only things this industry is going to leave in it's wake is a ruined environment and the people they've used to make it so.

True, so true. See my response to Senseamp below.

Well...if this ONLY affected the Trump voters, that would be one thing...but sadly, the pollution will eventually make its way to the ocean where it will affect sea life...and I'm pretty sure they didn't vote MAGA...or into the ground water where those silly libruls live...so they'll have to buy even more fancy imported bottled water..WINNING for Donald's business friends........But hey...let's not let silly librul environmental restrictions interfere with making money. It's the American way!

It's bad now, this decision will just make it worse. For example, the mercury in big game fish in all oceans have risen to alarming levels

Any estimate on how much it will reduce Trump Trash's life expectancy?

Seeing as if the GOP wants to accelerate the Poisoning America For Profit scheme of theirs, they're going to be traitorously backstabbing their own constituents with all kinds of nasty pointed objects because the GOP not only don't mind at all poisoning them if it increases profit margins, the GOP also wants to take away their Social Security, their Medicare/Medicaid, the strength in their united voices when they unionize, the regulations that protect their health and economic welfare from being scammed by Wall St./Big Business/Big Oil and poisoned by shoddy cut corner practices from Big Agra and Big Pharma, the GOP will also continue to poison their constituents' minds with the ever present propaganda campaign of fear and hate they've been running for decades now.

The GOP's working class constituents are truly screwing themselves over big time, but I guess they're willing to pay that price for...........what?

edit - And uhhh, Mr. Trump, I see all kinds of Executive Orders flying out of your hands that will raise the cost of oil for your Big Oil buddies, getting rid of regulations that will increase profits for your Big Business buddies, but I don't see one single frick'in thing from you yet that brings back the jobs you promised those mid-westerners of whom you owe your victory to.

I guess you got your priorities, and look who you're taking care of first and foremost eh?

Asshole Liar in Chief gets the last laugh I guess.

 

[senseamp]

Look at you, so stupid you think she cheated at the debates. You deserve what you get. Nobody is going to lift a finger to save the rust belt from Trump. You wanted this.

Yeah, these people deserve what's coming to them, they voted for it. Some people only learn on their own skin, this will be one hell of a lesson.

 

[Jhhnn]

Look at you, so stupid you think she cheated at the debates. You deserve what you get. Nobody is going to lift a finger to save the rust belt from Trump. You wanted this.

A self styled environmentalist who voted for Trump... Cuz Hillary! She's so Evil!

Sweet freaking jebsu.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Coal is deader than dead for so many reasons. It's not going to come back.

1) Natural gas is cheap and cleaner.
2) Why would any investor start planning to build new coal plants when a new president might be elected in four years? They might be halfway through construction when a new president who cares about the environment takes office.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-31/japan-coal-power-plants/8224302
"
The Japanese government is moving ahead with its plans to build up to 45 new coal fired power stations.
The power plants will utilise high energy, low emissions (HELE) technology that use high-quality black coal.

Japan is the largest overseas market for Australian coal producers, taking more than a third of all exports."
Yep, dead and it's not coming back.

 

[werepossum]

Gob, which is a mixture of coal and waste rock. When the a long wall miner rips out a coal seam, it often takes some of the adjacent rock with it. The coal is screened and the gob is the reject material. Gob is usually high in sulfides, producing acid mine drainage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoil_tip

While the government is cleaning up old messes, paid for with a tax on coal, this rule change will allow the coal industry to make new ones. https://www.osmre.gov/

There are many streams in northern Tennessee which are still pretty much colorfully barren except for certain bacteria and the occasional rat-tail maggot or bloodworm because of extreme acidity due to run-off from coal mine tailings from mines shut down decades ago. It's very, very nasty stuff. I feel for communities for whom mining is the sole remaining form of wealth production, but coal needs to die as a fuel.

There are also streams which are naturally acidic due to naturally occurring shales, but while those are low production streams, they also harbor higher order life like trout and a variety of insect larva, crustaceans, etc. Nature seldom actually destroys a drainage. Man often does, unless prohibited.

 

[senseamp]

What I love about this story is that coal mining is getting increasingly automated, so the morons who voted for more pollution for their kids hoping it will bring back the good old days will probably not even get a job out of it. On the upside, they won't get black lung either. So it's all good in the hood.

 

[brycejones]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-31/japan-coal-power-plants/8224302
"
The Japanese government is moving ahead with its plans to build up to 45 new coal fired power stations.
The power plants will utilise high energy, low emissions (HELE) technology that use high-quality black coal.

Japan is the largest overseas market for Australian coal producers, taking more than a third of all exports."
Yep, dead and it's not coming back.

Awesome news for the Aussies I guess.

Pretty meaningless for the US for reasons that have been explained to you in several other threads already.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Awesome news for the Aussies I guess.

Pretty meaningless for the US for reasons that have been explained to you in several other threads already.

We're downwind of Japan, but OK.

 

[werepossum]

Awesome news for the Aussies I guess.

Pretty meaningless for the US for reasons that have been explained to you in several other threads already.

Unless our economically feasible mines begin exporting coal to Japan and China. Then it's very meaningful to the US.

Those big empty container ships want to be full of something on that lonely sail back. Increasingly those cargoes are raw materials as we revert to colony status, exporting food and raw materials and importing manufactured goods we cannot produce for ourselves.

 

[brycejones]

Unless our economically feasible mines begin exporting coal to Japan and China. Then it's very meaningful to the US.

Those big empty container ships want to be full of something on that lonely sail back. Increasingly those cargoes are raw materials as we revert to colony status, exporting food and raw materials and importing manufactured goods we cannot produce for ourselves.

Only problem is there are closer sources of coal for those countries. As for loading raw materials onto container ships you show a very poor understanding of how global trade works. Cargos like coal would not be loaded into 20 or 40 foot containers to be shipped halfway around the world it would cost way too much. There are specialized bulk carriers for those kinds of cargos.

 

[Puffnstuff]

What I love about this story is that coal mining is getting increasingly automated, so the morons who voted for more pollution for their kids hoping it will bring back the good old days will probably not even get a job out of it. On the upside, they won't get black lung either. So it's all good in the hood.

Automation is a great thing in dangerous industries such as mining. It saves lives and reduces risk which is win-win for all concerned. Having workers with the skills necessary to operate the equipment is a great thing too.

 

[MajinCry]

Automation is a great thing in dangerous industries such as mining. It saves lives and reduces risk which is win-win for all concerned. Having workers with the skills necessary to operate the equipment is a great thing too.

Except for the lives of the people who rely on the contaminated water (See: Flint, Pine Ridge & other reservations), the jobs of the people who were displaced by the machinery, and the environment.

Question. What would Jesus do? Sully the land that his father created, or preserve it?

 

[ch33zw1z]

WWJD: DP the earth. He'd be grounded for a week from electronics, and his dad would sweep it all into the Sun and start over

 

[bshole]

Unless our economically feasible mines begin exporting coal to Japan and China. Then it's very meaningful to the US.

Those big empty container ships want to be full of something on that lonely sail back. Increasingly those cargoes are raw materials as we revert to colony status, exporting food and raw materials and importing manufactured goods we cannot produce for ourselves.

were,

I know you are moderate who cares about the environment. I am sure that you do not approve of coal companies polluting water ways. I cannot see who the Republicans (and 4 useless Democrats) are appealing to other than special interests. Is there a significant demographic that is pro-pollution?

 

[werepossum]

Only problem is there are closer sources of coal for those countries. As for loading raw materials onto container ships you show a very poor understanding of how global trade works. Cargos like coal would not be loaded into 20 or 40 foot containers to be shipped halfway around the world it would cost way too much. There are specialized bulk carriers for those kinds of cargos.

Good point.

Automation is a great thing in dangerous industries such as mining. It saves lives and reduces risk which is win-win for all concerned. Having workers with the skills necessary to operate the equipment is a great thing too.

Automation is a good thing in and of itself. However, it can be a very bad thing net, if for instance it makes mining more efficient as long as one sweeps the tailings into streams and/or onto drainage slopes.

WWJD: DP the earth. He'd be grounded for a week from electronics, and his dad would sweep it all into the Sun and start over

lol +1

were,

I know you are moderate who cares about the environment. I am sure that you do not approve of coal companies polluting water ways. I cannot see who the Republicans (and 4 useless Democrats) are appealing to other than special interests. Is there a significant demographic that is pro-pollution?

No, but there is a significant demographic which is pro-business to the point of serious environmental damage. Much larger is the demographic of people who simply don't care enough to examine the issue and merely assume that if their team does it, it must be the best thing to do. And much larger than even that is the demographic of people who simply don't notice anything that isn't sports or weed or Honey BooBoo or the Kardashians.

And I wouldn't call myself a moderate. I'd call myself a radical who clings to multiple far right and far left views.

 

[K1052]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-31/japan-coal-power-plants/8224302
"
The Japanese government is moving ahead with its plans to build up to 45 new coal fired power stations.
The power plants will utilise high energy, low emissions (HELE) technology that use high-quality black coal.

Japan is the largest overseas market for Australian coal producers, taking more than a third of all exports."
Yep, dead and it's not coming back.

This plan is highly dependent on how much of the nuclear fleet is brought back online in the next couple years. If most of it comes back odds are few to none new coal plants will be built.

 

[OutHouse]

Look at you, so stupid you think she cheated at the debates. You deserve what you get. Nobody is going to lift a finger to save the rust belt from Trump. You wanted this.

fuck dude, shut up.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

fuck dude, shut up.

awww, someone need a safe space?

 

[brycejones]

awww, someone need a safe space?

You would think the one holer behind his broken down trailer would be safe enough but I guess not.