GOP Votes to End Rule Stopping Coal Debris From Being Dumped in Streams

[IronWing]

I have a degree in Geology from a California State University.

You should demand your money back.

 

[351Cleveland]

Wow... do any of you actually bother to look into the issues? Without speaking to the regulation's merits, it was never implemented, or Congress would not have been able to touch it. Congressional Review Act. Look it up. The point is, that the streams and rivers you are bemoaning are no different then they were in December. Now that doesn't mean we should be doing this, but all the hysteria is just that. In fact, the issuance of this regulation was more than likely so people could make a big stinking deal of it when it was cancelled. It was a political stunt, and you rubes fell for it... although I suspect some of you actually knew that and are playing along just because you want to.

 

[Thebobo]

Doesn't matter, the GOPs war on clean water continues!

 

[Brainonska511]

Wow... do any of you actually bother to look into the issues? Without speaking to the regulation's merits, it was never implemented, or Congress would not have been able to touch it. Congressional Review Act. Look it up. The point is, that the streams and rivers you are bemoaning are no different then they were in December. Now that doesn't mean we should be doing this, but all the hysteria is just that. In fact, the issuance of this regulation was more than likely so people could make a big stinking deal of it when it was cancelled. It was a political stunt, and you rubes fell for it... although I suspect some of you actually knew that and are playing along just because you want to.

Or that agencies don't stop working just because. These rules aren't written overnight. It takes months, public comment periods, revisions, etc to even get the rules written. The Congressional Review Act is a 90s law that is barely used for what should be obvious reasons (partisanship and a 60 day window after the rule goes into effect for Congress to act) and it does more than just rolling back a rule. It also prevents agencies from passing a substantially similar rule without an act of Congress.

 

[K1052]

Not sure of the percentage but many existing coal heating plants are being retrofit to burn natural Gas. The remaining 2 DC area US gov heating plants were retrofitted for gas about 10 years ago.

Coal is simply not a viable option politically, economically, or socially anymore. A few states will probably push subsidies for their coal plants and soak ratepayers to keep them going but the vast majority of remaining coal generators will most likely be switched off or converted to NG in the next 10 years.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow... do any of you actually bother to look into the issues? Without speaking to the regulation's merits, it was never implemented, or Congress would not have been able to touch it. Congressional Review Act. Look it up. The point is, that the streams and rivers you are bemoaning are no different then they were in December. Now that doesn't mean we should be doing this, but all the hysteria is just that. In fact, the issuance of this regulation was more than likely so people could make a big stinking deal of it when it was cancelled. It was a political stunt, and you rubes fell for it... although I suspect some of you actually knew that and are playing along just because you want to.

Speaking of actually knowing what you're talking about no, this regulation was in the works for literal years before it was issued because the issues it covers are incredibly complex. It was part of a long awaited plan and not part of some stunt.

I do t know where you got such a silly idea but now who is the rube that was duped?

 

[Jhhnn]

Wow... do any of you actually bother to look into the issues? Without speaking to the regulation's merits, it was never implemented, or Congress would not have been able to touch it. Congressional Review Act. Look it up. The point is, that the streams and rivers you are bemoaning are no different then they were in December. Now that doesn't mean we should be doing this, but all the hysteria is just that. In fact, the issuance of this regulation was more than likely so people could make a big stinking deal of it when it was cancelled. It was a political stunt, and you rubes fell for it... although I suspect some of you actually knew that and are playing along just because you want to.

And if there was no stink they'd just go ahead with it. Or is the whole thing merely more insincerity on the part of Repubs?

 

[werepossum]

Wow... do any of you actually bother to look into the issues? Without speaking to the regulation's merits, it was never implemented, or Congress would not have been able to touch it. Congressional Review Act. Look it up. The point is, that the streams and rivers you are bemoaning are no different then they were in December. Now that doesn't mean we should be doing this, but all the hysteria is just that. In fact, the issuance of this regulation was more than likely so people could make a big stinking deal of it when it was cancelled. It was a political stunt, and you rubes fell for it... although I suspect some of you actually knew that and are playing along just because you want to.

Perhaps. But go look at some of the dead, lifeless streams with colorful toxic substrata and you'll see that some streams desperately need to be different. Keeping them the same isn't conservation if they've already been fucked up.

There may be parts of Obama's rule that go too far, but mainly it doesn't go too far enough. The rule largely kept the 100' exclusionary zone. Maybe the OP's headline was hyperbolic, but a drainage of 100' doesn't make a stream, it makes a wet weather gully. This is a rule that needed to be strengthened, not gutted.

 

[chowderhead]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/parched/episodes/toxic-waters/

Here is our future. Toxic dumping because businesses don't need regulations. Thank you Republicans,

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Someone tie that taj mahal asshole down and force him to drink a litre of that lovely orange water he voted for. And livestream the next couple of days. That would be both poetic and very, very amusing.

 

[Thebobo]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/parched/episodes/toxic-waters/

Here is our future. Toxic dumping because businesses don't need regulations. Thank you Republicans,

Good National Geographic series

 

[zinfamous]

Those Great Lakes Trump supporters must be giddy with excitement now that Trump has given them the multicolored drinking water, "now with more fun!", that they voted for.

 

[chowderhead]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5952739fe4b02734df2d8e41

Wayne county Georgia voted 80% for Trump but doesnt want "clean" coal ash dumped into their landfills. They demanded the job killing EPA do something about the loopholes in the laws that allow dumping of "clean coal" ash into landfills. The woman was shocked that this was happening even as they continue to vote in Republicans who put these rules in place. All these Trump counties need to have more coal and more coal ash dumped into their backyards.

 

[KMFJD]

Those Great Lakes Trump supporters must be giddy with excitement now that Trump has given them the multicolored drinking water, "now with more fun!", that they voted for.

Don't worry, the Ontario government is planning to dump nuclear waste in an underground mine on the shores of Lake Huron, wcgw? We have so much unused f^&king land and they want to put it there? Drill a hole in the Canadian shield somewhere and dump it ffs.....We get some serious algae blooms and it seems like the beach is always closed on our side...water looks clear though thanks to the zebra mussels

 

[ivwshane]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5952739fe4b02734df2d8e41

Wayne county Georgia voted 80% for Trump but doesnt want "clean" coal ash dumped into their landfills. They demanded the job killing EPA do something about the loopholes in the laws that allow dumping of "clean coal" ash into landfills. The woman was shocked that this was happening even as they continue to vote in Republicans who put these rules in place. All these Trump counties need to have more coal and more coal ash dumped into their backyards.

If there are no consequences to their actions (the voters) why would they ever change their actions? I say it's time for some tough love.

 

[zinfamous]

If there are no consequences to their actions (the voters) why would they ever change their actions? I say it's time for some tough love.

The dump trucks dumping the coal in their yards should have big ass "MAGA!" and "Brought to you by the GOP!" stickers plastered all over them.

When finished, the workers should pound "BUT HER EMAILS!" signs in all of their lawns, next to the giant ash piles, before driving off.

This should be a law.

lol, can't a dem senator/congressman tack a rider onto this bill, requiring this to happen, then vote to approve it? That would be awesome.

 

[ch33zw1z]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5952739fe4b02734df2d8e41

Wayne county Georgia voted 80% for Trump but doesnt want "clean" coal ash dumped into their landfills. They demanded the job killing EPA do something about the loopholes in the laws that allow dumping of "clean coal" ash into landfills. The woman was shocked that this was happening even as they continue to vote in Republicans who put these rules in place. All these Trump counties need to have more coal and more coal ash dumped into their backyards.

On one hand, good for them fighting back

On the other hand, why are they surprised?

 

[nickqt]

Freedom, motherfuckers.

Get some.

 

[Puffnstuff]

This sounds like a conversation that I had with my dad several months ago over the EPA. He was raising hell saying they should be disbanded and I had to remind him that if they'd been around when he was growing up the rivers in WV wouldn't be yellow and dead from the sulfur byproducts of coal mining. Trump could grab my mom by the pussy and they'd both still vote for him next cycle.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5952739fe4b02734df2d8e41

Wayne county Georgia voted 80% for Trump but doesnt want "clean" coal ash dumped into their landfills. They demanded the job killing EPA do something about the loopholes in the laws that allow dumping of "clean coal" ash into landfills. The woman was shocked that this was happening even as they continue to vote in Republicans who put these rules in place. All these Trump counties need to have more coal and more coal ash dumped into their backyards.

Kill the poors with coal ash.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Coal mining industry will just keep plugging away, polluting wherever they can until America removes it's head from its ass.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This sounds like a conversation that I had with my dad several months ago over the EPA. He was raising hell saying they should be disbanded and I had to remind him that if they'd been around when he was growing up the rivers in WV wouldn't be yellow and dead from the sulfur byproducts of coal mining. Trump could grab my mom by the pussy and they'd both still vote for him next cycle.

This is the problem right here. Clueless, heads in sand, blind faith spills over into every aspect of life.

My dad is the same.

 

[Thebobo]

Don't worry, the Ontario government is planning to dump nuclear waste in an underground mine on the shores of Lake Huron, wcgw? We have so much unused f^&king land and they want to put it there? Drill a hole in the Canadian shield somewhere and dump it ffs.....We get some serious algae blooms and it seems like the beach is always closed on our side...water looks clear though thanks to the zebra mussels

Similar action going on in the US, Yucca mountain in Arizona was supposed to be the USAs Nuclear waste depository, it was started in the late 80s with billions of dollars spent building it. Before it was opened for use it was abandoned for political reasons and now Trump wants to spend billions to reopen it up. Of course Arizona and the local residents aren't happy.

Off topic but I read there are types of reactors that actually consume radioactive waste, molten salt reactors (MSR). We have the technology and plants could be built as such, its been around since the 50s. In fact at least one has just gotten some funding.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...t-nuclear-reactor-that-eats-radioactive-waste

PS we abandon a lot of huge projects here in the good ol USA. After spending 2 billion on our Large Collider which was going to be bigger than the LHC it was abandoned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj9ExFT_FEk Such a shame.

 

[Thebobo]

From what I understand the new Obama administration rule that trump just canceled was about the mountaintop removal mines plowing the overburden trying to get to the coal into existing stream valleys. Which of course kills anything in those streams or watershed and releases sediments into what's left of them affecting the river/streams health downstream.