Originally posted by: logic0010
women shouldnt be in sports unless its agenst other women period and if they do allow this there should be a rule
i do hope she learns her lesson in the next pile up
Originally posted by: CaptainNixon
What I have learned from this thread;
Nobody likes Robby Gordon
People like Danicka Patrick because she's hot not because of her driving skills
Most do not like nascar
Most do not like irl
People like to argue over anything
People use the quote feature way too much
Otherwise I think the weight issue is a valid concern and it should be addressed. IRL knows that she has an advantage but will not do anything about it because she is bringing in the ratings. The Indy had a 40% increase in viewership this year.
Originally posted by: logic0010
women shouldnt be in sports unless its agenst other women period and if they do allow this there should be a rule
i do hope she learns her lesson in the next pile up
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
I agree with most points here. Gordon's a whiner but even ***I*** could've told ya' somebody would complain eventually. It's true she's lighter. Hey......anybody remember Manute Bol?? He was THE TALLEST......PERIOD & that didn't mean he was at an advantage.
Well, I'll go one further.........................
Consider that there's a good argument that along with male strength/power features you could also possibly argue that men could drive better (and this is strictly hypothetical) due STRICTLY to fast-twitch/slow-twitch muscle make up. NO......this is not to say that men are arbitrarily faster/quicker in the reflex dept but if you get the gist, then I don't need to explain. But does the slight (and aside from RG's weight, I mean SLIGHT) weight advantage offset that?? Does it matter??
I, personally, think it's great and I think that it's something Indy has needed for a while. Heck, did ANYBODY do the double this year?? (Robbie sucked in both races, IIRC, last time he did it). I'd like to see Danica in Nascar too, but she probably doesn't care to do more than the best.
And if you consider most horsejockey-type Nascar drivers......(Jeff Gordon comes to mind)......these guys aren't much more than she is anyway. I think it balances out quite well & can't WAIT to see more of her & perhaps more Indy coverage overall.
Great job Danica!
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: logic0010
women shouldnt be in sports unless its agenst other women period and if they do allow this there should be a rule
i do hope she learns her lesson in the next pile up
And you should not be allowed to further contaminate the gene pool.
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Originally posted by: sweeper2
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
I agree with most points here. Gordon's a whiner but even ***I*** could've told ya' somebody would complain eventually. It's true she's lighter. Hey......anybody remember Manute Bol?? He was THE TALLEST......PERIOD & that didn't mean he was at an advantage.
Well, I'll go one further.........................
Consider that there's a good argument that along with male strength/power features you could also possibly argue that men could drive better (and this is strictly hypothetical) due STRICTLY to fast-twitch/slow-twitch muscle make up. NO......this is not to say that men are arbitrarily faster/quicker in the reflex dept but if you get the gist, then I don't need to explain. But does the slight (and aside from RG's weight, I mean SLIGHT) weight advantage offset that?? Does it matter??
I, personally, think it's great and I think that it's something Indy has needed for a while. Heck, did ANYBODY do the double this year?? (Robbie sucked in both races, IIRC, last time he did it). I'd like to see Danica in Nascar too, but she probably doesn't care to do more than the best.
And if you consider most horsejockey-type Nascar drivers......(Jeff Gordon comes to mind)......these guys aren't much more than she is anyway. I think it balances out quite well & can't WAIT to see more of her & perhaps more Indy coverage overall.
Great job Danica!
:thumbsup: well said... and yes.. Jeff Gordon probably is smaller then most of the guys like Jimmy Spencer... Rusty Wallace etc... so who's to say Danica is any different....
plus she's hot...
?It makes a big difference,? race-winner Dan Wheldon said Tuesday. ?If it didn?t in qualifying, you wouldn?t worry about the fuel. We try to make it basically run out during qualifying, and that?s what a difference of six or seven pounds makes. I definitely think it?s an advantage and I?m pretty sure in due time you?ll have a rule change on that.?
Sam Hornish Jr., who weighs roughly 60 pounds more than Patrick, said two days before the race that the size difference gave her an edge.
?That?s got to be worth something,? Hornish told the Toledo Blade. ?Whether you calculate speed or fuel economy, that little difference is a factor.?
Hornish?s bosses at Penske Racing even figured out the mathematical advantage Patrick had.
?That?s probably worth something like 0.8 of a mile an hour,? team president Tim Cindric said.
Gordon, who didn?t run in the Indy 500 this season for the first time in 10 years, said he was trying to make the same point.
Instead, his comments were interpreted by many as Gordon being critical of Patrick. He stressed Tuesday that was never his intent.
?Indy is one of the toughest races in the world to finish, let alone win, and the fact that she ran up front for most of the 200 laps proved her ability to drive,? he said. ?Given that she is so young, I would be amazed if she didn?t win at least one Indy 500.
?Had she won, it would have done more for the IRL and the Indy 500 than could ever be imagined. As one who loves that race as much or more than any other, it would have been great to see because it would have been huge for the IRL.?
IRL officials have said they are not considering changing the weight requirements.
Wheldon said the rules have forced the IRL regulars to be as light as possible.
?A lot of us have changed our training regimen for that,? he said. ?I?m not lifting as much weight as I used to, and I?m running like a son of a gun.?
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
And if you consider most horsejockey-type Nascar drivers......(Jeff Gordon comes to mind)......these guys aren't much more than she is anyway. I think it balances out quite well & can't WAIT to see more of her & perhaps more Indy coverage overall.
Great job Danica!
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
And if you consider most horsejockey-type Nascar drivers......(Jeff Gordon comes to mind)......these guys aren't much more than she is anyway. I think it balances out quite well & can't WAIT to see more of her & perhaps more Indy coverage overall.
Great job Danica!
It seems that a lot of fanboys are sucking up to her for no other reason than the fact that's she's an attractive woman. If she was butch, nobody would give a crap.
She's a racecar driver, not a playboy bimbo.
The top 5 reasons for people liking her are:
1. She's a hot female
2. She's a hot female
3. She's a hot female
4. She's a hot female
5. She's a hot female
While people like drivers such as Richard Petty, Dale Earnhart, Mario Andretti, etc for various reasons such as driver skill, attitude, sportmanship, etc., people seem to like her for one reason and one reason only. She gets their vote solely for being a hot female. That would be a shame if she makes a career for herself by racing, only to find her fan support erode as she ages and loses the looks.
If you truly want to be a free thinker, you should leave the gender out of it and consider her as "just another racecar driver" and judge her on skill alone. It's quite pathetic seeing people swoon over her simply because she's a woman in a traditionally male sport.
Hornish?s bosses at Penske Racing even figured out the mathematical advantage Patrick had.
?That?s probably worth something like 0.8 of a mile an hour,? team president Tim Cindric said.
So the theoretical-speed advantage is to smaller persons [period] BUT the IRL doesn't consider it siginificant enough to change the rulesIRL officials have said they are not considering changing the weight requirements.
Originally posted by: trmiv
I still don't get why people are insisting 100 pounds isn't an advantage, and that the IRL's rule here is OK. It must be like 91TTZ said, you guys think she's hot and are going to knock down anyone saying anything against her.
The bottom line is, the 100 pounds DOES make a difference, and not factoring driver weight into the total weight is ridiculous. I notice some people who quoted the article above conveiniently left out the part where Dan Wheldon said, "It makes a big difference,? race-winner Dan Wheldon said Tuesday. ?If it didn?t in qualifying, you wouldn?t worry about the fuel. We try to make it basically run out during qualifying, and that?s what a difference of six or seven pounds makes. I definitely think it?s an advantage and I?m pretty sure in due time you?ll have a rule change on that.?
Hmmm, I wonder why they try to make the cars as light as possible during qualifying? Could it be because it makes a difference?
Unlike probably 100% of the other people in this thread, I actually have experience with weight advantages and racing. Like I mentioned before, 50 or 100 pounds is often a weight penalty assessed to cars running say a different engine combination, carb, or something else in many, many racing divisions, my own included. It makes a difference, believe me. We try to almost run our car out of fuel during practice so we can just add enough fuel for qualifying to save weight. In a sport where tenths, hundredths, and even thousands of a second are an advantage, every thing you can do to increase that advantage helps. 100 pounds makes a difference.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: trmiv
I still don't get why people are insisting 100 pounds isn't an advantage, and that the IRL's rule here is OK. It must be like 91TTZ said, you guys think she's hot and are going to knock down anyone saying anything against her.
The bottom line is, the 100 pounds DOES make a difference, and not factoring driver weight into the total weight is ridiculous. I notice some people who quoted the article above conveiniently left out the part where Dan Wheldon said, "It makes a big difference,? race-winner Dan Wheldon said Tuesday. ?If it didn?t in qualifying, you wouldn?t worry about the fuel. We try to make it basically run out during qualifying, and that?s what a difference of six or seven pounds makes. I definitely think it?s an advantage and I?m pretty sure in due time you?ll have a rule change on that.?
Hmmm, I wonder why they try to make the cars as light as possible during qualifying? Could it be because it makes a difference?
Unlike probably 100% of the other people in this thread, I actually have experience with weight advantages and racing. Like I mentioned before, 50 or 100 pounds is often a weight penalty assessed to cars running say a different engine combination, carb, or something else in many, many racing divisions, my own included. It makes a difference, believe me. We try to almost run our car out of fuel during practice so we can just add enough fuel for qualifying to save weight. In a sport where tenths, hundredths, and even thousands of a second are an advantage, every thing you can do to increase that advantage helps. 100 pounds makes a difference.
not saying it isn't an "advantage" . . . just not significant enough to change the IRL's rules.
Her "hottness" has noting to do with it as a smaller person of either gender has this tiny theoretical advantage [possibly counterbalanced by "less strength"].
there are just too many other factors involved to say it is a "clear advantage" . . . that's all
and the IRL just doesn't agree with you either
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