Gorilla Lives Matter!

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buckshot24

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Did they at least the save the fucking sperm?

Another critically endangered species that will go extinct in our lifetime. Darwin was thwarted in this instance. The genes of these idiots were not taken from the pool and they are left to pollute the rest of humanity. FUCK THEM.

I hope these fuckers are banned for life from all zoos. I know that I posted some hatred and loathing for them on a facebook page.
And people like this think religious people are the problem.

He'd rather have had a child ripped apart than a gorilla killed to prevent it.

And why are you worried about an extinction, that's just evolution man. They aren't cutting it so they are going out. Out with the old in with the new.
 

flexy

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I am pretty sure that the zoo and their team made this decision wisely and after careful consideration. Tragic, yes, but the only viable sure option to save the child.

The rest is irrelevant ramblings and ranting, by people who are emotionally enraged and by the press for whom this is a welcomed emotion-stirring topic, as so many.

I can absolutely understand why the zoo said it might have been dangerous to tranquilize the ape, that it could've agitated him. A life was at stakes here, this is not where you take chances.
 

bshole

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I am pretty sure that the zoo and their team made this decision wisely and after careful consideration. Tragic, yes, but the only viable sure option to save the child.

The rest is irrelevant ramblings and ranting, by people who are emotionally enraged and by the press for whom this is a welcomed emotion-stirring topic, as so many.

I can absolutely understand why the zoo said it might have been dangerous to tranquilize the ape, that it could've agitated him. A life was at stakes here, this is not where you take chances.

And the parents bear no responsibility for their gross and disgusting negligence. Isn't that special...
 
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And people like this think religious people are the problem.

He'd rather have had a child ripped apart than a gorilla killed to prevent it.

And why are you worried about an extinction, that's just evolution man. They aren't cutting it so they are going out. Out with the old in with the new.

you're a fucking moron, there's natural extinction and then there's forced extinction through loss of habitat and trophy hunting. Given the chance, gorillas and other endangered species would be doing fine if man wasn't overtaking their lands, hunting them for their fur/horns/tusks/penises.

Extinction. bwahahahahahahaha, buckshat shits out another gem.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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the gorilla can't sue, that's why he got shot.

f those parents.
 

Moonbeam

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What if an unknown power forced you to make a moral decision to either allow a billion people to live or the person you love most in the world, and you and the rest of the world were also shown proof that one or the other absolutely would happen or both if you failed to decide, but that after you did decide that proof would disappear.....

What would you do knowing that only you would know it was your choice that decided.
 
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And the parents bear no responsibility for their gross and disgusting negligence. Isn't that special...

You're overreacting. Little kids can do stuff in the blink of an eye if a parent's attention wavers. It's a shitty situation all around, but this thirst for vengeance on the parents is unwarranted.
 

buckshot24

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you're a fucking moron, there's natural extinction and then there's forced extinction through loss of habitat and trophy hunting.
How are we not a natural force? Just another species that these gorillas are losing out to. You're forgetting you're nothing more than an animal behind a keyboard.
 

buckshot24

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What if an unknown power forced you to make a moral decision to either allow a billion people to live or the person you love most in the world, and you and the rest of the world were also shown proof that one or the other absolutely would happen or both if you failed to decide, but that after you did decide that proof would disappear.....

What would you do knowing that only you would know it was your choice that decided.
And refusal is simply impossible?
 
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How are we not a natural force? Just another species that these gorillas are losing out to. You're forgetting you're nothing more than an animal behind a keyboard.

ugh, ok bucky, whatever makes yourself happy. good to know I graduated from meat machine to animal tho.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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And why are you worried about an extinction, that's just evolution man. They aren't cutting it so they are going out. Out with the old in with the new.

So because some 80 year-old south asian man thinks ground-up gorilla hand will add another inch to his 1 inch pecker, that is called "evolution" in your book?

 

zinfamous

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How are we not a natural force? Just another species that these gorillas are losing out to. You're forgetting you're nothing more than an animal behind a keyboard.

you don't "believe" in evolution.

so stop preaching nonsense.
 

Ornery

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The main thing that grinds my gears, is the lack of personal responsibility creeping into our "culture". That, and the entitlement mentality. Parents used to instill solid values and respect for others. Now, kids live without boundaries and are taught that others owe them everything, including respect. Being held responsible for anything is considered heavy handed and oppressive.

The fruits of this mindset are cities like Chicago, a dead gorilla and a zoo sure to be in litigation for years. Obligated to add ludicrous measures to protect the animals from idiots and their offspring.
 

Moonbeam

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The main thing that grinds my gears, is the lack of personal responsibility creeping into our "culture". That, and the entitlement mentality. Parents used to instill solid values and respect for others. Now, kids live without boundaries and are taught that others owe them everything, including respect. Being held responsible for anything is considered heavy handed and oppressive.

The fruits of this mindset are cities like Chicago, a dead gorilla and a zoo sure to be in litigation for years. Obligated to add ludicrous measures to protect the animals from idiots and their offspring.

Not enough tough love. There should have been signs that if a child fell in the parents would be thrown in to rescue it.
 

brycejones

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The main thing that grinds my gears, is the lack of personal responsibility creeping into our "culture". That, and the entitlement mentality. Parents used to instill solid values and respect for others. Now, kids live without boundaries and are taught that others owe them everything, including respect. Being held responsible for anything is considered heavy handed and oppressive.

The fruits of this mindset are cities like Chicago, a dead gorilla and a zoo sure to be in litigation for years. Obligated to add ludicrous measures to protect the animals from idiots and their offspring.

WTF is your fixation on Chicago and linking it to this event? Frankly trying to turn this event into some grand statement on the state of parenting in America is absurd. But keep on keeping on.
 
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The main thing that grinds my gears, is the lack of personal responsibility creeping into our "culture". That, and the entitlement mentality. Parents used to instill solid values and respect for others. Now, kids live without boundaries and are taught that others owe them everything, including respect. Being held responsible for anything is considered heavy handed and oppressive.

The fruits of this mindset are cities like Chicago, a dead gorilla and a zoo sure to be in litigation for years. Obligated to add ludicrous measures to protect the animals from idiots and their offspring.
It reminds me of this quote that runs around the web: Old generations always complain about the later generations. “The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”
 

vi edit

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I have a 4 year old son. That's the perfect storm of stubborn, stupid and capable. I can turn my head at Home Depot and he's around a corner and trying to climb under displays. Just takes a second or two. Little shit is fast.

I think people forget just how fast things can happen. Especially at that age of kids where they are physically capable of getting away/into things and not yet fully having the fear or preservation mechanic to double check those actions. I think people that raised kids 30 years ago also have no realization on how much busier things are now than they were 30 years ago. 30 years ago some of these zoos may have had 200,000 annual attendance. Now it's 1.2 million. That's a *A LOT* more bodies to lose a kid behind or around.

Unless some video comes out showing the parent sitting and texting while the kid is crawling around I'm not going to sit and cast blame. Kids are still sentient beings with their own own free choice. Unfortunately at some points in their life their ability choose is WAAAAY out of line with their ability to decide if that's a good choice. 4 year old boys are right in that same demographic as 16 year old boys with the car the the first couple times out. No fear and newfound freedom are a bad combo.
 

Moonbeam

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I have a 4 year old son. That's the perfect storm of stubborn, stupid and capable. I can turn my head at Home Depot and he's around a corner and trying to climb under displays. Just takes a second or two. Little shit is fast.

I think people forget just how fast things can happen. Especially at that age of kids where they are physically capable of getting away/into things and not yet fully having the fear or preservation mechanic to double check those actions. I think people that raised kids 30 years ago also have no realization on how much busier things are now than they were 30 years ago. 30 years ago some of these zoos may have had 200,000 annual attendance. Now it's 1.2 million. That's a *A LOT* more bodies to lose a kid behind or around.

Unless some video comes out showing the parent sitting and texting while the kid is crawling around I'm not going to sit and cast blame. Kids are still sentient beings with their own own free choice. Unfortunately at some points in their life their ability choose is WAAAAY out of line with their ability to decide if that's a good choice. 4 year old boys are right in that same demographic as 16 year old boys with the car the the first couple times out. No fear and newfound freedom are a bad combo.

Jesus, I already made up my mind the parents are monsters. I hope you don't mind if I make myself impervious to what you just said.
 

Ns1

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I have a 4 year old son. That's the perfect storm of stubborn, stupid and capable. I can turn my head at Home Depot and he's around a corner and trying to climb under displays. Just takes a second or two. Little shit is fast.

I think people forget just how fast things can happen. Especially at that age of kids where they are physically capable of getting away/into things and not yet fully having the fear or preservation mechanic to double check those actions. I think people that raised kids 30 years ago also have no realization on how much busier things are now than they were 30 years ago. 30 years ago some of these zoos may have had 200,000 annual attendance. Now it's 1.2 million. That's a *A LOT* more bodies to lose a kid behind or around.

Unless some video comes out showing the parent sitting and texting while the kid is crawling around I'm not going to sit and cast blame. Kids are still sentient beings with their own own free choice. Unfortunately at some points in their life their ability choose is WAAAAY out of line with their ability to decide if that's a good choice. 4 year old boys are right in that same demographic as 16 year old boys with the car the the first couple times out. No fear and newfound freedom are a bad combo.

They have these devices for parents with uncontrollable kids:

Preventative measures:


Behavior modification, level 1:


Behavior modification, level 2:
 
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bshole

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. I think people that raised kids 30 years ago also have no realization on how much busier things are now than they were 30 years ago. 30 years ago some of these zoos may have had 200,000 annual attendance. Now it's 1.2 million. That's a *A LOT* more bodies to lose a kid behind or around.

Dude, you may not realize this but kids dying at that age was a hell of a lot more common back then than it is now.

In 1900, 30 percent of all deaths in the United States occurred in children less than 5 years of age compared to just 1.4 percent in 1999 (CDC, 1999a; NCHS, 2001a).
 

Jaskalas

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What if an unknown power forced you to make a moral decision to either allow a billion people to live or the person you love most in the world, and you and the rest of the world were also shown proof that one or the other absolutely would happen or both if you failed to decide, but that after you did decide that proof would disappear.....

What would you do knowing that only you would know it was your choice that decided.

Would that missing billion help advert overpopulation? :hmm::wub::whiste:
I mean... if you think of it as making the planet a nicer place.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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When did helicopter parenting become a conservative vs liberal thing?

When ornery conservatives decided they had another talking point:

The main thing that grinds my gears, is the lack of personal responsibility creeping into our "culture". That, and the entitlement mentality. Parents used to instill solid values and respect for others. Now, kids live without boundaries and are taught that others owe them everything, including respect. Being held responsible for anything is considered heavy handed and oppressive.

The fruits of this mindset are cities like Chicago, a dead gorilla and a zoo sure to be in litigation for years. Obligated to add ludicrous measures to protect the animals from idiots and their offspring.

IN CONCLUSION: BENGAZI!
 

Artdeco

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I dunno, I was all set to pillory the parents, but they seem like fairly decent folks that something terrible happened to.

Kids that age are very difficult to keep under control, I truly hate that the gorilla died, what I'd rather see happen next time is a rapid acting anesthetic, there's stuff in use now every day they could have used that would have taken him down in seconds, they would have to manage his airway and make sure he kept breathing, but a little extra training of the zoo staff and that gorilla could still be alive.
 

woolfe9998

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The truth is, we have no video showing precisely how the boy got into the enclosure, what the mother was doing at the time, and how quickly it happened. This could have been neglect on the part of the mother, or not. There is no basis for an opinion.

What the zoo did was, however, appropriate. When faced with a choice of saving a human child or a guerrilla, I can't imagine picking the guerrilla. But then, I don't think animals have the same rights as humans, not within human society.
 
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