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Zorba

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What really sucks for the gorilla, is that if he has killed the boy instantly, before the dangerous animal team showed up, he would still be alive. I guess conservatives are right, always shoot to kill, never shoot to wound.
 
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What really sucks for the gorilla, is that if he has killed the boy instantly, before the dangerous animal team showed up, he would still be alive. I guess conservatives are right, always shoot to kill, never shoot to wound.

I don't think so. They put down Lions that kill people.
 

Balt

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The zoo did the right thing.

Agreed. They did the only thing they could. The gorilla could have killed that child in an instant, and they couldn't risk waiting to see if it would turn aggressive.

but yes its 100% the parents fault that the child got into the cage. This caused the zoo to kill the animal. I would have no issue with the zoo suing the shit out of that family.

Unfortunately I think it's *far* more likely that the parents will sue the shit out of the zoo, claiming the enclosure wasn't built well enough to prevent their child from falling in. They'll probably throw in some mental anguish BS as well since there's been all this public outrage. My guess is that the parents don't take much responsibility for themselves or their children, and I bet there are already some ambulance chaser lawyers promising them a fat check. We'll have to see if the zoo wants to contest it (if/when it happens) or if they just settle out of court.
 
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Ns1

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Unfortunately I think it's *far* more likely that the parents will sue the shit out of the zoo, claiming the enclosure wasn't built well enough to prevent their child from falling in. They'll probably throw in some mental anguish BS as well since there's been all this public outrage. My guess is that the parents don't take much responsibility for themselves or their children, and I bet there are already some ambulance chaser lawyers promising them a fat check. We'll have to see if the zoo wants to contest it (if/when it happens) or if they just settle out of court.

I would put money on this bet.
 

blankslate

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I read a BBC News story about the situation on the BBC News app.

Jack Hannah said he'd bet his life on that if the zoo had not shot the gorilla the child would be dead.

Having said that. The parents were disgustingly irresponsible. There are recent stories of people being killed by animals in zoos.

This is one situation where parents should be hypervigilant. Or don't take your kid to the zoo.

The parents should be ashamed of their lack of responsibility here.


__________
 

waggy

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Agreed. They did the only thing they could. The gorilla could have killed that child in an instant, and they couldn't risk waiting to see if it would turn aggressive.



Unfortunately I think it's *far* more likely that the parents will sue the shit out of the zoo, claiming the enclosure wasn't built well enough to prevent their child from falling in. They'll probably throw in some mental anguish BS as well since there's been all this public outrage. My guess is that the parents don't take much responsibility for themselves or their children, and I bet there are already some ambulance chaser lawyers promising them a fat check. We'll have to see if the zoo wants to contest it (if/when it happens) or if they just settle out of court.


Sadly i bet you are right.
 

Eli

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The zoo did the right thing. But the parents should be held responsible.

I do think measures should be taken so that this is impossible to happen. Are there any pictures of the scene? How is it possible for a kid to just randomly climb in, and the gorillas can't climb out?

I'm not trying to cast blame on the zoo, but it does seem a little odd - seems like keeping little kids from climbing in would be at the forefront of the enclosure design.
 

Zorba

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I don't think so. They put down Lions that kill people.

There have been a handful of recent cases where the animal killed someone and wasn't put down. Tiger in Florida, Killer Whale at SeaWorld, etc. Not like it is a dog or circus animal that is expected to interface directly with people.
 

Moonbeam

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The zoo did the right thing. But the parents should be held responsible.

I do think measures should be taken so that this is impossible to happen. Are there any pictures of the scene? How is it possible for a kid to just randomly climb in, and the gorillas can't climb out?

I'm not trying to cast blame on the zoo, but it does seem a little odd - seems like keeping little kids from climbing in would be at the forefront of the enclosure design.

Many animal zoos were built before people evolved into sue animals.
 

alien42

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The zoo did the right thing. But the parents should be held responsible.

I do think measures should be taken so that this is impossible to happen. Are there any pictures of the scene? How is it possible for a kid to just randomly climb in, and the gorillas can't climb out?

I'm not trying to cast blame on the zoo, but it does seem a little odd - seems like keeping little kids from climbing in would be at the forefront of the enclosure design.

in 38 years, not one other human has fallen into that enclosure. IMO, you either believe the Darwin award applies to children or the parents are responsible.

anyone who has been to Yellowstone, or just about any other National Park, knows just how dangerous the terrain and land can be. there would be kids tumbling to their death daily if there were more parent/child combos like these.
 

Bitek

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Did they at least the save the fucking sperm?

Another critically endangered species that will go extinct in our lifetime. Darwin was thwarted in this instance. The genes of these idiots were not taken from the pool and they are left to pollute the rest of humanity. FUCK THEM.

I hope these fuckers are banned for life from all zoos. I know that I posted some hatred and loathing for them on a facebook page.

Why? This is the most useless gesture in the world.

Says more about you than anyone else
 

Ornery

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Hey to Eli, Waggy, Moonbeam, NS1, DrPizza, feralkid, Zorba, Perknose, sandorski... and everyone else who took the trouble to post.

The permissive parenting culture taking over has been a big gripe to me forever. If you want to know the right way to raise your kids, look up Montessori education. You'll be surprised to learn it's not an overbearing, heavily disciplined "culture". But, it does involve a LOT of parent involvement, which many are just too lazy to practice.

Anyway, I was curious what this liberal bastion thought of the gorilla issue, and was very surprised to find no topic about it! Couldn't decide whether to post one in Off Topic, my first choice, or P&N, where I figured it would end up anyway.

It all boils down to "culture". Permissive VS Disciplinarian in this case. Liberal VS Conservative in this forum. Many cultures are simply preferences, none actually "better" than another. Like Asian VS Latin, Sports VS Arts, and Car VS Boat. But, there are some cultures arguably preferable from one to another. Science VS Religion, Urban VS Rural, or Socialist VS Libertarian etc..

In this case the permissive culture had dire consequences in an obvious way. What isn't so obvious is how that type of parenting has led, and is leading this country in the wrong direction. Anybody who doesn't agree children should be raised with a work ethic, and knowing personal responsibility, is not doing their children or society any favors... Just the opposite.
 

Perknose

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I have a 4 year old son. That's the perfect storm of stubborn, stupid and capable. I can turn my head at Home Depot and he's around a corner and trying to climb under displays. Just takes a second or two. Little shit is fast.

I think people forget just how fast things can happen. Especially at that age of kids where they are physically capable of getting away/into things and not yet fully having the fear or preservation mechanic to double check those actions. I think people that raised kids 30 years ago also have no realization on how much busier things are now than they were 30 years ago. 30 years ago some of these zoos may have had 200,000 annual attendance. Now it's 1.2 million. That's a *A LOT* more bodies to lose a kid behind or around.

Unless some video comes out showing the parent sitting and texting while the kid is crawling around I'm not going to sit and cast blame. Kids are still sentient beings with their own own free choice. Unfortunately at some points in their life their ability choose is WAAAAY out of line with their ability to decide if that's a good choice. 4 year old boys are right in that same demographic as 16 year old boys with the car the the first couple times out. No fear and newfound freedom are a bad combo.

^^^ Why you are elite! :thumbsup:
 

alien42

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Ornery, the problem is that this was literally a one in a few billion accident. it is a single incident and not a culture issue. your logic is no different than someone who sees a man driving bad and then states all men drive bad, or sees a white person rob a bank and says all white people rob banks.
 

Bitek

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I have a 4 year old son. That's the perfect storm of stubborn, stupid and capable. I can turn my head at Home Depot and he's around a corner and trying to climb under displays. Just takes a second or two. Little shit is fast.

I think people forget just how fast things can happen. Especially at that age of kids where they are physically capable of getting away/into things and not yet fully having the fear or preservation mechanic to double check those actions. I think people that raised kids 30 years ago also have no realization on how much busier things are now than they were 30 years ago. 30 years ago some of these zoos may have had 200,000 annual attendance. Now it's 1.2 million. That's a *A LOT* more bodies to lose a kid behind or around.

Unless some video comes out showing the parent sitting and texting while the kid is crawling around I'm not going to sit and cast blame. Kids are still sentient beings with their own own free choice. Unfortunately at some points in their life their ability choose is WAAAAY out of line with their ability to decide if that's a good choice. 4 year old boys are right in that same demographic as 16 year old boys with the car the the first couple times out. No fear and newfound freedom are a bad combo.

I was always worried sick when my daughter was 4. Very headstrong, fast and trouble making. My wife and I had several conversations about hoping she grows up fast before she managed to kill herself doing something crazy and dangerous.

If I ever had a kid fall in a gorilla pen, it would be that one.
 

Eli

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in 38 years, not one other human has fallen into that enclosure. IMO, you either believe the Darwin award applies to children or the parents are responsible.

anyone who has been to Yellowstone, or just about any other National Park, knows just how dangerous the terrain and land can be. there would be kids tumbling to their death daily if there were more parent/child combos like these.


Well that's kinda exactly my point... Millions of kids, and this has never happened? That's why I wanted to see the scene, get an idea of what we are dealing with here.. Did the kid have to slide or fall like 20' or something? Then it's a little more understandable..

Like I said, I don't really blame the zoo, just wanted to see what the circumstances were.
 

master_shake_

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Internet commenters have gone bananas over the death of Harambe the gorilla, and have begun throwing verbal feces at unsuspecting corners of the web. Social media vigilantes vented their outrage over the 4-year-old who fell into the enclosure of the Cincinnati by targeting a woman they thought was the boy’s mother but actually just shares the same name.
Observers were quick to blame Michelle Gregg for the death of Harambe, who was shot dead by his zoo on Saturday after grabbing on to her son…
Gregg shared screenshots of herself replying to multiple messages telling the senders to have a “blessed day” and informing them that the woman they wanted to torment had actually taken down her Facebook.
Michelle Gregg defended herself in a now-deleted Facebook post, writing: “God protected my child until the authorities were able to get to him. My son is safe and was able to walk away with a concussion and a few scrapes… no broken bones or internal injuries.”



the internets is stupid sometimes....

outrage, chaos, feels.
 

Moonbeam

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This has been, may continue to be an interesting thread. What I see is is a gorilla reacting to a child falling into his mental awareness space like the OP falling into P&N, a lot of hostile reactions and throwing thing. That's how I reacted anyway and if you don't like it shoot me. Have a banana. I'll swing by later.
 

abj13

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Unfortunately I think it's *far* more likely that the parents will sue the shit out of the zoo, claiming the enclosure wasn't built well enough to prevent their child from falling in. They'll probably throw in some mental anguish BS as well since there's been all this public outrage. My guess is that the parents don't take much responsibility for themselves or their children, and I bet there are already some ambulance chaser lawyers promising them a fat check. We'll have to see if the zoo wants to contest it (if/when it happens) or if they just settle out of court.

Similar story happened in Pittsburgh back in 2012, except the outcome to the child wasn't the same. The mother dangled her child over an African Dog exhibit, where the child fell into and was mauled to death. Parents sued the zoo, the zoo sued the family, end result was both sides reached a settlement.

http://www.wtae.com/news/parents-settle-pittsburgh-zoo-lawsuit-in-mauling/26284228
 

Vic

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The zoo did the right thing, but they're also at fault as well. The enclosures are supposed to keep the humans out as well as the animals in. The zoo isn't going to sue the parents either, that would be PR suicide. And not because of 'entitlement.' People would stop going to zoos if they were considered unsafe. Sucks about the gorilla, I hope the zoo starts working on some better 'idiot-proof' enclosures soon. Because yes, there are a lot of idiots out there. And they're usually paying customers.
 
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