Got a Blackberry Classic (2015) for work...simply..

core2slow

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a POS of an OS. The device is fine, but my God, bb10, just not intuitive at all. Now I see why they abandoned it for android. Even the simple lockscreen notification can't even show multiple events/messages...at least that's the conclusion I've come to after looking through the settings for the past 2hr.
 

Commodus

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a POS of an OS. The device is fine, but my God, bb10, just not intuitive at all. Now I see why they abandoned it for android. Even the simple lockscreen notification can't even show multiple events/messages...at least that's the conclusion I've come to after looking through the settings for the past 2hr.

The issue I find is that it's too dependent on gestures to get around, and certain things that should be quick (such as mass-selecting email) aren't. I can see a loyal BlackBerry fan being all over the Classic, but yeah... I'd much rather have the Priv, or the expected Android-powered equivalent to the Classic.
 

bigrash

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I was given the BB Classic 2015 for work too last year. Hated it! It took like 7 o 8 clicks to get anywhere on the OS, where it takes ios/android like 1 or 2 clicks. Glad I only used it for 2 months before I changed jobs.
 

core2slow

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I didn't have much of an issue with bb either when I last used it circa 2010, but yea simple things like mass select, custom scheduled notification, setting grouping, etc are all over the place. You really don't know whether you should swipe, long press, or press the bb key to do a desired action. It's downright primitive going from ios/android to bb10.

And one last thing, why have a "home screen" if you can't append any apps/shortcuts there? Wasn't the storm or whatever their previous touch models able to do this? I know you can assign apps to shortcut keys, but ain't nobody got time for dat!
 

Deeko

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I actually really liked the OS on my Q10 - it was everything else about the phone I couldn't stand. It was too slow, the screen was washed out, it felt cheap, and the keyboard was not up to Blackberry's usual standards.
 

3chordcharlie

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a POS of an OS. The device is fine, but my God, bb10, just not intuitive at all. Now I see why they abandoned it for android. Even the simple lockscreen notification can't even show multiple events/messages...at least that's the conclusion I've come to after looking through the settings for the past 2hr.
On the lockscreen tap the icons on the left side.

It does only show one appointment (I would prefer more), but it shows about 3 or so email/text/notifications on the screen.

Once you get comfortable that all your communication is in the hub (so you never have to find the 'app' for anything), it should stop seeming unintuitive.

The pull-down quick settings menu is works for radios, notifications, alarms and flashlight. It is also customizable. I haven't found a substitute for bedside mode on Android so far, but I'm all ears.

Pile any apps or shortcuts you actually use on the first page, the rest are there only if needed.

You can set the home screen to disappear when there are no apps open, so it functions only as a task manager.
 

thilanliyan

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I was given the BB Classic 2015 for work too last year. Hated it! It took like 7 o 8 clicks to get anywhere on the OS, where it takes ios/android like 1 or 2 clicks. Glad I only used it for 2 months before I changed jobs.

I find the exact opposite on my Passport lol, after having used Android Lollipop and WinPho 10. Everything feels much quicker for me with gestures since I don't have to click on any particular part of the screen or a capacitive button. I swipe pretty much wherever and it does what I want. After using that, then helping my mom with her GS6 feels so cumbersome.
 

smitbret

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Different strokes for different folks. This thread pops up every now and then. BB10 is a great OS and it is really fast and easy.... once you learn how to use it.

Alas, that's probably what killed it. You would go to the cell phone store and there would be your selection of iPhones, BB and Android. Customer picks up the iPhone and plays with it. Customer picks up the Galaxy and plays with it. In two minutes, they have a pretty good feel for either phone. Then they grab the Z10 and the untrained salesperson doesn't know anymore about it than they do. They fight with it for a couple of minutes and give up and pick one of the previous two. In reality, it takes a week or so to really get comfortable with BB10 and that's just too long for the average consumer.

It works in reverse, too, though. I have been sporting a BB Z10 since they came out and have tried to defect to Android on a couple of occasions only to come running back to BB 10. If only Android had something like the Hub it would make the transition easier. For everything that's easier about Android there is something that's more difficult or slower. The lack of bedside mode for one. Another example, this morning my wife asked me to pair her bluetooth speaker to her LG G3. With a Z10 it's a simple swipe from the top and tap the Bluetooth icon. Not so simple with Android. After I had fiddled with it and only figured out how to turn bluetooth on and off she gave up and grabbed it from me and showed me that you had to get into the settings menu and go from there.

Unfortunately, lack of app support will have me switching in the next month or two. I was putting along running Android apps on the Z10 with the Android runtime. They load a little slower that way and it can be a little glitchy but it worked. Now, with recent updates, most of my banking apps won't log in or even load. It's getting more numerous by the week, too. News apps aren't far behind. It's sad, but by this time next month I will probably be using an LG G4 or Nexus 6.
 

gorcorps

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Different strokes for different folks. This thread pops up every now and then. BB10 is a great OS and it is really fast and easy.... once you learn how to use it.

Alas, that's probably what killed it. You would go to the cell phone store and there would be your selection of iPhones, BB and Android. Customer picks up the iPhone and plays with it. Customer picks up the Galaxy and plays with it. In two minutes, they have a pretty good feel for either phone. Then they grab the Z10 and the untrained salesperson doesn't know anymore about it than they do. They fight with it for a couple of minutes and give up and pick one of the previous two. In reality, it takes a week or so to really get comfortable with BB10 and that's just too long for the average consumer.

It works in reverse, too, though. I have been sporting a BB Z10 since they came out and have tried to defect to Android on a couple of occasions only to come running back to BB 10. If only Android had something like the Hub it would make the transition easier. For everything that's easier about Android there is something that's more difficult or slower. The lack of bedside mode for one. Another example, this morning my wife asked me to pair her bluetooth speaker to her LG G3. With a Z10 it's a simple swipe from the top and tap the Bluetooth icon. Not so simple with Android. After I had fiddled with it and only figured out how to turn bluetooth on and off she gave up and grabbed it from me and showed me that you had to get into the settings menu and go from there.

Unfortunately, lack of app support will have me switching in the next month or two. I was putting along running Android apps on the Z10 with the Android runtime. They load a little slower that way and it can be a little glitchy but it worked. Now, with recent updates, most of my banking apps won't log in or even load. It's getting more numerous by the week, too. News apps aren't far behind. It's sad, but by this time next month I will probably be using an LG G4 or Nexus 6.

BB has the hub for android, but I think it's only compatible with the Priv:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackberry.hub&hl=en

If you can find the apk somewhere you should be able to sideload it and see if it works on other android phones.
 

Commodus

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Different strokes for different folks. This thread pops up every now and then. BB10 is a great OS and it is really fast and easy.... once you learn how to use it.

Alas, that's probably what killed it. You would go to the cell phone store and there would be your selection of iPhones, BB and Android. Customer picks up the iPhone and plays with it. Customer picks up the Galaxy and plays with it. In two minutes, they have a pretty good feel for either phone. Then they grab the Z10 and the untrained salesperson doesn't know anymore about it than they do. They fight with it for a couple of minutes and give up and pick one of the previous two. In reality, it takes a week or so to really get comfortable with BB10 and that's just too long for the average consumer.

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Unfortunately, lack of app support will have me switching in the next month or two. I was putting along running Android apps on the Z10 with the Android runtime. They load a little slower that way and it can be a little glitchy but it worked. Now, with recent updates, most of my banking apps won't log in or even load. It's getting more numerous by the week, too. News apps aren't far behind. It's sad, but by this time next month I will probably be using an LG G4 or Nexus 6.

To some extent, I think that says volumes about how important an intuitive interface is on a phone. It should be instinctive enough that you can be comfortable almost immediately, because you can't expect everyone to want to learn something that's more complex, but theoretically faster. Some of this is due to conditioning (we've been used to the grid-of-icons concept for decades), but tapping buttons you can see is bound to be more intuitive than swiping from edges.

I'm surprised you're not looking for a BlackBerry Priv. It's more expensive, but it'd at least carry some of the things you're used to from BB10 without foregoing the ecosystem advantages of Android.
 

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And that is how BB literally lost the market, my favorite trivia about BB is how they thought the iPhone wouldn't even work. They should have evolved their interface, among many other things...
 

smitbret

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To some extent, I think that says volumes about how important an intuitive interface is on a phone. It should be instinctive enough that you can be comfortable almost immediately, because you can't expect everyone to want to learn something that's more complex, but theoretically faster. Some of this is due to conditioning (we've been used to the grid-of-icons concept for decades), but tapping buttons you can see is bound to be more intuitive than swiping from edges.

I'm surprised you're not looking for a BlackBerry Priv. It's more expensive, but it'd at least carry some of the things you're used to from BB10 without foregoing the ecosystem advantages of Android.

Exactly, some tech geeks will take the time to learn but most people just wanna pick it up and go. I can't imagine trying to teach my wife how to use BB10.

I would love a Priv but it's just a little more than I wanna spend. I tend to grab the year old technology and save the $$$$. I see that I can grab one for $450 right now but it's still about $100 more expensive than similar tech from other manufacturers and I just don't know if the physical keyboard is worth $100.
 

core2slow

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Exactly, some tech geeks will take the time to learn but most people just wanna pick it up and go. I can't imagine trying to teach my wife how to use BB10.
Being a tech geek is PRECISELY why I find bb10 to be such a POS. I didn't cast any doubts when the z10 came out because I want to reserve my judgment, but now that I have a considerable amount of time to give it a good run through, I find nothing of value has come about in bb10 that makes me go "dayum, that's a very unique feature!" I'm not a blind fanboy and have used all the major OSes dating back to the palm, but given the amount of time bb/rim has to develop bb10, it's like they chose to ignore some of the basics of UI/UX design that have been learned, tested and perfected by Microsoft, Apple and Google, and have completely darted in the opposite direction. Didn't take me this long to get familiar with bb7 and somehow I'm completely uninterested in bb10...Which probably has to do with how unintuitive it is.
 

desura

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I actually like Blackberry 10 quite a bit. I'm not much of a phone geek, but it is pretty fast and consistent, there are numerous thoughtful little touches.

It's little things, like having the flashlight in the pulldown menu. Android doesn't have this, and I have to find some ad-ridden app to do the same. While Android feels like it underperforms on hardware, BB10 feels like it overperforms. The keyboard is pretty nice with the flick up suggestions. The web browser has a bottom screen address bar.
 
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Graze

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I actually like Blackberry 10 quite a bit. I'm not much of a phone geek, but it is pretty fast and consistent, there are numerous thoughtful little touches.

It's little things, like having the flashlight in the pulldown menu. Android doesn't have this, and I have to find some ad-ridden app to do the same.

Android has had this since Lollipop. What exactly are using to cast judgement to Android and its performance?
 
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