Got a raise but.....

[daweeze02]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I dont get these questions. If you think you are underpaid find another job.

I am going to, just going to let them pay for the $3000 vmware training first.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: daweeze02
I am not help desk, I was always helpdesk/Junior Admin, I did a little bit of everything. Server builds, citrix, vmware, you name it.....I am a sys admin now, been in the IT industry for 6-7 years now.

I am not trying to be an ass...but yes...after 6-7 years...you are underpaid.

 

[Platypus]

OP: stick it out for a bit, finish your cert and get the hell out of there.

Make sure you explain this clearly in your next interview, that you were doing the work of a sys admin but without the title. This is not a great place to be.

It is NOT a good idea to get your cert and then immediately bail. If most of your professional experience is at that job and you leave them high and dry you do not want to use them as a reference.

 

[daweeze02]

Originally posted by: wiredspider

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
So you are getting a raise from 38k to 40k and then 41k and complaining?

Originally posted by: daweeze02
Shouldn't the raise increase and not decrease?

^2

wtf?

I thought the same thing, but I guess he is saying his raise amount should increase each time he gets a raise. ie he got a $2k raise and now is only getting a $1k raise.

Since he made it so confusing, I say he doesn't deserve a raise!

No after my first year I got 3K with no certs/help desk. Now I am a sys admin, with MCSA and soon to be vmware cert but only got a 2K raise and another 1K once I pass the vmware test.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: daweeze02

Originally posted by: Drakkon
You've gotten almost 20% in raises since you started and that has only been 2 years...thats the way the company is looking at it at least.
This is why people switch jobs...you start at a higher salary instead of work your way up to it.

The funny part is our marketing guy makes 120k and golfs all day and works like 20 hours a week lol. But the 3 IT guys who keep our company in business make shit. Our credit union is our only client that is keeping us in biz.

Get used to it...that's life.

 

[skace]

VCP4 Certification? If they expect that level of expertise from you, I'd expect them to pay you decently as well..

 

[daweeze02]

Originally posted by: skace
VCP4 Certification? If they expect that level of expertise from you, I'd expect them to pay you decently as well..

Yes this VCP4 vSphere 4

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: daweeze02
Yes this VCP4 vSphere 4

For what it's worth, you have a lot more ground to argue on once you actually have that certification.

 

[Gibson486]

Ummm...yeah....be happy you are employed. I was loooking in teh job market. They had this position for an EE project engineer...you know what the salary was? 45K. Cripes...talk about taking advantage of te ebad economy.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're severely underpaid. I'd start looking. Good vmware experience can bring you top dollar - 100K+

It's irresponsible to tell him he could be making $100k+ when all you know next to nothing about his abilities and experience.

 

[daweeze02]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: daweeze02
Yes this VCP4 vSphere 4

For what it's worth, you have a lot more ground to argue on once you actually have that certification.

I totally agree well I am hoping to take the exam in Oct. So I will pass it then wait it out until after xmas and see whats out there. Plus they are like we will need you to start doing patches and stuff after midnight on certain days. I def dont make enough to be up all night working on upgrades etc

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: daweeze02

Originally posted by: Drakkon
You've gotten almost 20% in raises since you started and that has only been 2 years...thats the way the company is looking at it at least.
This is why people switch jobs...you start at a higher salary instead of work your way up to it.

The funny part is our marketing guy makes 120k and golfs all day and works like 20 hours a week lol. But the 3 IT guys who keep our company in business make shit. Our credit union is our only client that is keeping us in biz.

Get used to it...that's life.

yup...the higher you get, the less work you do. you spend most of your time taking care of bs and you stretch it out to whole day projects, when in reality it is a 2 hour project.

 

[daweeze02]

Well guys thanks for the good and bad, just needed to rant a little and hear what everyone said.....gonna go to lunch, now that I got this raise I can order coke instead of water lol

 

[Fritzo]

Your pay is about right on target for your position.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: daweeze02
Well guys thanks for the good and bad, just needed to rant a little and hear what everyone said.....gonna go to lunch, now that I got this raise I can order coke instead of water lol

Go to salary.com to see where you think you should be. Also look at job boards for other openings to gauge where you're at and where you think you should be. This will help a lot after you get strong with vmware and jump ship for much more money.

Also pay attention to the poster that said you've fallen into a trap of being underpaid. This can greatly affect your career as you never really view your worth appropriately and tend to undervalue your skills. At 5-7 years of experience you need to be ramping up very quickly in compensation and picking something to become an expert in. Vmware experts do make a pretty penny, but you have to be an expert so figure out how to get there.

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're severely underpaid. I'd start looking. Good vmware experience can bring you top dollar - 100K+

It's irresponsible to tell him he could be making $100k+ when all you know next to nothing about his abilities and experience.

He said it *can* bring in top dollar... ie: Eventually

 

[So]

Originally posted by: daweeze02
So I have been with this company nearly 2.5 years. I started at helpdesk with about 4 years of IT exp. After my first year I went from 35K to 38K with no certs. After that...
Any thoughts?

Snipped at the point I completely stopped caring.

 

[MrWizzard]

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[aceO07]

Originally posted by: daweeze02
The funny part is our marketing guy makes 120k and golfs all day and works like 20 hours a week lol. But the 3 IT guys who keep our company in business make shit. Our credit union is our only client that is keeping us in biz.

Sometimes it's based on what money you bring to the company. The costs and time you save the company is usually overlooked.

He could be golfing with clients or potential clients. It probably includes wining and dining with clients too. Luckily for him part of his job is something that he enjoys a lot.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: daweeze02

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I dont get these questions. If you think you are underpaid find another job.

I am going to, just going to let them pay for the $3000 vmware training first.

we had a group of electricians use our company to get their journeymans. assholes. they used our company to pay for it, didnt even give 6 months to help pay it back before leaving for a "better" job. funny part was telling them no when they came back in 8 months looking for full time work.

if youre going to get free certs from this company, give them a while of service to help "pay back" that burden they took on for you. also, if they are willing to front 3k to train you, sounds like they are relying on benefiting from that investment.

 

[Regs]

Sounds like my department. Promotion first, raise later. Just a lazy manager who keeps forgetting to put it into the budget.

 

[boomhower]

Just be glad your getting a raise. Last year they took away our merit raise and this year they took away our cost of living increase, sucks. But I just got a promotion that came along with an ~9% raise and I'll get another 9% in a year after my probation is up. If they bring back merit and cost of living.. giggity giggity.

 

[FoBoT]

everyone in the company got the same raise this year, 0%

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
everyone in the company got the same raise this year, 0%

We got a 4% raise and mostly unemployed

 

[daweeze02]

OK here are 2 examples from salary.com

Helpdesk - http://swz.salary.com/salarywi...ode=SW1&fterangecode=2

and

Sys Admin which is my new title

http://swz.salary.com/salarywi...ode=SW2&fterangecode=2


So it would be nice to be in the middle of this two