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Londo_Jowo

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Wow, a full dollar difference from here.

I just think that is wrong no matter how much the oil thugs on here try to justify it.

Where are you? I bet in southern state like South Carolina or Texas.

Maybe you should take it with the proper robbers in your area....ie your state and local politicians who require special blend gas plus add high state and local taxes to gas.
 

Lanyap

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Why does Chicago always have the highest gas prices? I found articles that cite that fact but they never explain why.

Gas prices in my area here in central Alabama dropped to $2.99 a few weeks ago but it's going back up. Now $3.05 at the cheap stations.
 

dmcowen674

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Why does Chicago always have the highest gas prices? I found articles that cite that fact but they never explain why.

Gas prices in my area here in central Alabama dropped to $2.99 a few weeks ago but it's going back up. Now $3.05 at the cheap stations.

They say once that pipeline is built diverting the oil south the Houston gas will go to $20 a gallon here.

They will have to truck oil up from Oklahoma to Chicago.

Can't wait for that fun. :thumbsup:
 

DucatiMonster696

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The average for gas in California is 3.68 vs the national average of 3.41 both averages appear to be dropping according to Gasbuddy.com.

http://www.sanfrangasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=B

In San Francisco Arco stations have lead the charge in dropping prices significantly to at or near the state average depending on grades of gasoline.

http://www.sanfrangasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=B

The stations with the most significant drops in prices I have noticed are usually located on streets in SF where they have at least one or more competitors. For example between Divisadero and Fell street there are 3 competing stations, an Arco station, 76 station and a Shell station. The Shell and Arco stations are on opposite sides of the street directly facing each other and their prices have steadily declined, with the Arco station leading the charge at 3.69 for mid-grade gas and a ten cents difference between low and high grade gas. The Shell station is typically 6 cents higher and the 76 station down the block has kept their prices above the 4 dollar mark but they have a car wash attached to their station which might be the reason why they have kept their prices higher. It appears to me that if anyone is looking for lower priced gas they should check out spots with competing gas stations and stay away from seeking leading name brand gas stations such as Chevron, Shell, 76.

http://www.sanfrangasprices.com/map_gas_prices.aspx?z=12&lat=37.773115&long=-122.438656&ft=A&tl=48
 
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Doppel

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They say once that pipeline is built diverting the oil south the Houston gas will go to $20 a gallon here.

They will have to truck oil up from Oklahoma to Chicago.

Can't wait for that fun. :thumbsup:
If by they you mean the idiots like you, ok. But if by they you mean anybody with a brain, you're lying again.
 

dmcowen674

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If by they you mean the idiots like you, ok. But if by they you mean anybody with a brain, you're lying again.

Try search 101

There are a lot of articles on what your oil thug buds are doing

The steps have already been done.

Last year Gasoline was the number one Export of the United States.

Let me repeat

Last year Gasoline was the number one Export of the United States.

Based on that alone gasoline should two things:

Never be anywhere near $4 gallon

Never claim there is a shortage of any kind, whether it be the usual excuses like taxes and special blends make your gas more expensive.

The cost difference between Houston and Chicago is now a full $1


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http://blog.nwf.org/2011/01/big-oils-pipeline-scheme-to-increase-midwest-gas-prices/

Big Oil’s Pipeline Scheme to Increase Midwest Gas Prices


As featured in the Washington Post today, there is growing opposition to the Keystone pipeline that would carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta, Canada to the coastal refineries of Texas.

Here’s how the pipeline scheme would really work:

Step 1: Divert Canadian Oil from the Midwest to Texas — TransCanada is trying to overcome what they call an “oversupply” of Canadian oil to America’s Midwest, which is currently the destination of most Canadian tar sands oil. This leads to cheaper oil prices (the oil companies call it a price “discount&#8221, and Canada’s oil producers don’t like it. They are working with Valero and other oil companies to build the Keystone XL pipeline as a bypass around the Midwest, diverting as much as 500,000 barrels of Canadian oil daily to the port refineries in Texas.



Nobody can say where it will go from there. America is increasingly becoming the “middle man” in the global oil trade – we import vast amounts of crude oil, refine it, and increasingly export refined oil products like gasoline and diesel to foreign destinations including Mexico, South America, Europe, and China. 72% of these exports originate in Texas and Gulf Coast refineries, where exports have doubled in the past 5 years.

Step 2: Increase Oil Prices to the Midwest — As Canadian oil imports are shifted from the Midwest to Texas, oil supplies to Midwest refiners will decline. According to TransCanada’s analysis: “Midwest demand for Canadian heavy crude would exceed the available supply and the market price …would be approximately $6.55 per barrel above the 2008 price.” $6.55 per barrel is roughly equal to 15 cents per gallon.

The states on the shortest end of the Keystone dipstick are: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.

These are the states in the “PADD II” oil district highlighted in TransCanada’s analysis. These states already pay some of the highest prices in the nation for gasoline. On any given day, people in Chicago are likely to pay 30 cents per gallon more at the pump than people in Houston.
 
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dmcowen674

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Uh, no, it wasn't. Crude oil was the number one import. We are actually a net exporter of refined fuel products. In fact, it is our number one export.

I meant export of course as you can see by my two things that we should never be paying $4 and never hear the excuse we are short of gasoline.

As Kiera Sedwick would say "Thank youuuuuuuuuuu CK for paying attention".
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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Try search 101

There are a lot of articles on what your oil thug buds are doing

The steps have already been done.

Last year Gasoline was the number one Export of the United States.

Let me repeat

Last year Gasoline was the number one Export of the United States.

Based on that alone gasoline should two things:

Never be anywhere near $4 gallon

Never claim there is a shortage of any kind, whether it be the usual excuses like taxes and special blends make your gas more expensive.

The cost difference between Houston and Chicago is now a full $1


=====================================================

http://blog.nwf.org/2011/01/big-oils-pipeline-scheme-to-increase-midwest-gas-prices/

Big Oil’s Pipeline Scheme to Increase Midwest Gas Prices


As featured in the Washington Post today, there is growing opposition to the Keystone pipeline that would carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta, Canada to the coastal refineries of Texas.

Here’s how the pipeline scheme would really work:

Step 1: Divert Canadian Oil from the Midwest to Texas — TransCanada is trying to overcome what they call an “oversupply” of Canadian oil to America’s Midwest, which is currently the destination of most Canadian tar sands oil. This leads to cheaper oil prices (the oil companies call it a price “discount&#8221, and Canada’s oil producers don’t like it. They are working with Valero and other oil companies to build the Keystone XL pipeline as a bypass around the Midwest, diverting as much as 500,000 barrels of Canadian oil daily to the port refineries in Texas.



Nobody can say where it will go from there. America is increasingly becoming the “middle man” in the global oil trade – we import vast amounts of crude oil, refine it, and increasingly export refined oil products like gasoline and diesel to foreign destinations including Mexico, South America, Europe, and China. 72% of these exports originate in Texas and Gulf Coast refineries, where exports have doubled in the past 5 years.

Step 2: Increase Oil Prices to the Midwest — As Canadian oil imports are shifted from the Midwest to Texas, oil supplies to Midwest refiners will decline. According to TransCanada’s analysis: “Midwest demand for Canadian heavy crude would exceed the available supply and the market price …would be approximately $6.55 per barrel above the 2008 price.” $6.55 per barrel is roughly equal to 15 cents per gallon.

The states on the shortest end of the Keystone dipstick are: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.

These are the states in the “PADD II” oil district highlighted in TransCanada’s analysis. These states already pay some of the highest prices in the nation for gasoline. On any given day, people in Chicago are likely to pay 30 cents per gallon more at the pump than people in Houston.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you failed to illustrate the part where anybody who isn't an idiot said gas will hit $20/gallon. Try again, Dave the Liar.
 

cybrsage

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I wish the price of gas was down to where it was when Obama became President.

Of course, I am not too concerned - I only put 30K miles on my car in the last 5 years.
 

Doppel

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No bad news for you, you are in Texas so what do you care?

Try coming up to Chicago.
So, again another idiotic claim you have no proof for. Why didn't you just say $50 if you weren't going to be able to defend it anyway, or $100/ gallon?
 

Charles Kozierok

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I meant export of course as you can see by my two things that we should never be paying $4 and never hear the excuse we are short of gasoline.

As Kiera Sedwick would say "Thank youuuuuuuuuuu CK for paying attention".

Sorry, but the honest truth is that you say so many bogglingly silly things that I thought you actually believed we imported gasoline.

That aside, what does us being an exporter of gasoline have to do with how much we pay for it? We export gasoline but we import crude oil. When crude oil goes up, gasoline goes up.
 

Born2bwire

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Why does Chicago always have the highest gas prices? I found articles that cite that fact but they never explain why.

Gas prices in my area here in central Alabama dropped to $2.99 a few weeks ago but it's going back up. Now $3.05 at the cheap stations.

Because Dave lives there.
 

desy

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Jan 13, 2000
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So, I read the full article in black and white, taxes ,with tax on tax ,secondly refinery blend unique not only to Illinois but unique to Chicago to support corn ethanol.
So will you stop posting now?
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Complete with pics of when gas was well over $5

http://media.nbcchicago.com/images/673*368/gas-prices.jpg


7-28-2009

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/20-Per-Gallon-of-Gas-It-Could-Happen.html

$20 Per Gallon Gas?! Shut Up, It's Good for You

Gas prices in Chicago are currently more manageable than they were last year, when the average price per gallon soared to over $4. We were paying more for gas than motorists in New York City or Los Angeles.


Commuters fled the motorways and flocked to public transportation, surging ridership to its highest levels in 50 years.


And while prices at the pump have come back down, they won't stay that way. They will continue to rise, and we will have to reconsider how we live, work, and eat. And one author says that's a very good thing.

Evanston engineer and journalist Christopher Steiner takes on this painful paradigm shift in his new book, $20 Per Gallon: How the Inevitable Rise in the Price of Gasoline Will Change Our Lives for the Better.

While most of us cringe at the thought of gas reaching $20 per gallon, Steiner believes many people would benefit from a life that didn't depend on petroleum.


"Weaning ourselves from gasoline isn't a scary thing," said Steiner, 32, according to the Sun-Times. "We're talking about cleaner environments, more walkable lives, better public transportation, and more vibrant cities."

Steiner admits that there would be a few losses. With travel kept to a minimum, people would visit faraway friends and family less often, and students would have fewer options for college. And it'd be very difficult to get our hands on international fruits, cheeses, and wines.

Steiner hopes that people will keep gas prices in mind as they decide where to live, work, and shop.


"Maybe next time you're in a transitional point of life, don't go further out and buy the bigger house, but move to a walkable community, near a train," Steiner says. "That's a change you'll profit from."

 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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Complete with pics of when gas was well over $5

http://media.nbcchicago.com/images/673*368/gas-prices.jpg


7-28-2009

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/20-Per-Gallon-of-Gas-It-Could-Happen.html

$20 Per Gallon Gas?! Shut Up, It's Good for You

Gas prices in Chicago are currently more manageable than they were last year, when the average price per gallon soared to over $4. We were paying more for gas than motorists in New York City or Los Angeles.


Commuters fled the motorways and flocked to public transportation, surging ridership to its highest levels in 50 years.


And while prices at the pump have come back down, they won't stay that way. They will continue to rise, and we will have to reconsider how we live, work, and eat. And one author says that's a very good thing.

Evanston engineer and journalist Christopher Steiner takes on this painful paradigm shift in his new book, $20 Per Gallon: How the Inevitable Rise in the Price of Gasoline Will Change Our Lives for the Better.

While most of us cringe at the thought of gas reaching $20 per gallon, Steiner believes many people would benefit from a life that didn't depend on petroleum.


"Weaning ourselves from gasoline isn't a scary thing," said Steiner, 32, according to the Sun-Times. "We're talking about cleaner environments, more walkable lives, better public transportation, and more vibrant cities."

Steiner admits that there would be a few losses. With travel kept to a minimum, people would visit faraway friends and family less often, and students would have fewer options for college. And it'd be very difficult to get our hands on international fruits, cheeses, and wines.

Steiner hopes that people will keep gas prices in mind as they decide where to live, work, and shop.


"Maybe next time you're in a transitional point of life, don't go further out and buy the bigger house, but move to a walkable community, near a train," Steiner says. "That's a change you'll profit from."

If by they you mean the idiots like you, ok. But if by they you mean anybody with a brain, you're lying again.
 

dmcowen674

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7-12-2012

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/brea...ket-higher-qe3-says-trader-132423936.html?l=1

Crude Oil Prices Will Rocket Higher on QE3 Says Trader


Kevin Craney of RJO Futures says the seemingly endless list of reasons for the price of crude to fall are being offset only by the potential for more quantitative easing from the Federal Reserve.

Traders don't care whether or not another round of stimulus would work because they know from past experience that Bernanke can drive prices higher

Of quantitative easing, Craney says "that's the catalyst I think a lot of people are looking for at this point to move a lot of commodities, including crude to rocket higher."

Will the Fed fuel oil prices higher? Let us know your thoughts on our Facebook page.
 

dmcowen674

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Oil approaching $90 again

7-13-2012

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampshire/gas-prices-creeping-up

Gas prices creeping up


Prices have gone up nearly a nickle in one week


Gas prices are starting to creep back up again, after dropping in Massachusetts for 11 weeks. That downward trend reversed when gas prices inched up almost a nickel per gallon in one week, and drivers say they are getting used to the rollercoaster ride.


“One day the price of oil is going down and the price of gas is going up. So, I think it's artificially in a lot of ways keeping inflated to where they want it,” said Jerry Burke of Westfield who spends nearly $70 dollars a week on gas.


But drivers aren't the only ones affected by rising gas prices, pizza shops that rely on deliveries are also feeling the ripple.
Jason Clemmey who was traveling in from Tampa says he feels for small businesses that rely on gas and are trying to stay afloat. “I do feel for them, I mean, you are just spending more money on overhead and that takes away from their profit”
 
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