Got Gas? U.S. Economy to Worsen as Gas Prices Skyrocket

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Doppel

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This is why predictions of $5/gallon gas or even $6 in the near term (this year) are so short-sighted. Demand WILL curtail.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42704213

The only dolts who think it will keep charging up to these points seem incapable of understanding that trend lines generally change over time.
 
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dmcowen674

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4-24-2011

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/22/new...the_nation/index.htm?section=money_topstories

Orlando gas station charges $5.69 a gallon


Suncoast Energys, located near the Orlando International Airport, was charging $5.69 a gallon for regular gasoline on Friday.

The manager of Suncoast Energys, Bob Barnes, confirmed Friday that the station is also charging $5.74 a gallon for medium grade gas and $5.79 for premium.
 

dmcowen674

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4-24-2011

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_8862.shtml

Energy Crisis Focus of Obama Address


Speaking to NPR, Obama said gas prices were at an all-time high when he was running for president in 2008. He argued that long-term measures, such as a task force to root corruption and the end of subsidies, must be put in place to help steady gas prices.

"Every time gas prices go up like this, like clockwork, suddenly politicians look around and they discover high gas prices," he said. "And they're shocked. And they get in front of TV and say we've got a three-point plan to bring gas prices down to $2 a gallon. Then when gas prices go down, nothing ever happens."

The president said he saw "no silver bullet that can bring down gas prices right away."

However, the president stressed that increasing U.S. oil production, investing in clean, renewable energy, and ending $4 billion in taxpayer subsidies to oil and gas companies each year would help cut the rising prices.
 

dmcowen674

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Oil over $113 and rising fast today

Gas $4.69 in Chicago for regular and climbing fast

Call the local radio stations a such as WBBM to confirm

4-25-2011

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Crude...NsaW0-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

Crude oil gained for a fourth day in New York, the longest rising streak since December, as escalating violence in the Middle East and Africa threatens to prolong supply disruptions.

Oil for June delivery rose as much as 78 cents to $113.07 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. That’s the highest intraday price since April 11, when futures reached $113.46, the most since September 2008.

Oil has advanced 23 percent this year, stoked by turmoil in the Middle East and North Africa that has toppled leaders in Egypt and Tunisia and spread to Libya, Algeria, Bahrain, Iran, Oman, Syria and Yemen.
 

dmcowen674

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More from the no shit sherlock dept since I posted this a long time ago.

Operators should ban the liars

4-25-2011

http://www.wsbt.com/news/wgntv-chic...-the-nation-april24,0,4631443.story?track=rss

Chicago gas prices highest in the U.S.


When Chicago drivers stop to fill their gas tanks, they're now paying the highest prices in the nation.

According to the Lundberg Survey, Chicago's average price for gas is now $4.27 a gallon.

At many stations it's much higher than that.
 

werepossum

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More from the no shit sherlock dept since I posted this a long time ago.

Operators should ban the liars

4-25-2011

http://www.wsbt.com/news/wgntv-chic...-the-nation-april24,0,4631443.story?track=rss

Chicago gas prices highest in the U.S.


When Chicago drivers stop to fill their gas tanks, they're now paying the highest prices in the nation.

According to the Lundberg Survey, Chicago's average price for gas is now $4.27 a gallon.

At many stations it's much higher than that.
With the dollar collapsing, the Middle East in turmoil, and oil sufficiently tight to allow speculators to drive up prices, I see no reason why gas prices will not continue rising. However, stored supplies are pretty much at capacity; if demand drops, then OPEC may be hard-pressed to cut enough to maintain the increases. I predict a fairly strong summer driving season after a couple hard years, as Americans (myself included) are not good at self-denial over long periods. If I'm correct, then we should plateau at maybe $5.50 to $6 over the summer.
 

TheSlamma

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4-24-2011

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/22/new...the_nation/index.htm?section=money_topstories

Orlando gas station charges $5.69 a gallon


Suncoast Energys, located near the Orlando International Airport, was charging $5.69 a gallon for regular gasoline on Friday.

The manager of Suncoast Energys, Bob Barnes, confirmed Friday that the station is also charging $5.74 a gallon for medium grade gas and $5.79 for premium.
Sweet this means you were wrong then, it was never the drive for $5.. it's the drive for more than $5.. you lose yet again (ever since your birth)
 

dmcowen674

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Sweet this means you were wrong then, it was never the drive for $5.. it's the drive for more than $5.. you lose yet again (ever since your birth)
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I said 7500 by the end of the year - dmcowen674 WRONG

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dainthomas

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4-24-2011

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/22/new...the_nation/index.htm?section=money_topstories

Orlando gas station charges $5.69 a gallon


Suncoast Energys, located near the Orlando International Airport, was charging $5.69 a gallon for regular gasoline on Friday.

The manager of Suncoast Energys, Bob Barnes, confirmed Friday that the station is also charging $5.74 a gallon for medium grade gas and $5.79 for premium.

That is the station used solely by ignorant tourists who forget to gas up in town before they bring their rental back.
 
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It's up another 5-10 cents in my area now. It had been holding stead at $3.80, but now people on Gas Buddy are reporting prices of $3.85 and $3.90. I'm guessing they'll all jump up to $3.90 since they're 95% in lockstep with one another.
 

Doppel

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Chicago stations told to expect gas over $10 and start changing signs for four digits.

Shell and BP stations already have sign crews changing the signs out.
How are you not banned for posts like this? You pulled this right out of your ass and apparently have already been banned before for lying in gas threads.
 
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werepossum

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How are you not banned for posts like this? You pulled this right out of your ass and apparently have already been banned before for lying in gas threads.
I'm not sure how unlikely that is.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/30/f...gy-aide-advocated-for-10-a-gallon-gas-prices/
As director of the Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory, Steven Chu, Obama’s secretary at the Department of Energy, said in an interview that gas taxes should slowly be increased over the next 15 years in order to force people to turn to alternative energy sources.

“Somehow, we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to levels in Europe,” said Chu.

In Europe, the price for a gallon of gas consistently hovers around $10 a gallon.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/30/f...ted-for-10-a-gallon-gas-prices/#ixzz1KZgxEz84
Looks to me like "somehow" got figured out.

There is no inherent reason the USA's fuel HAS to cost so much less than Europe's, especially with the Messiah's war on fossil fuel energy production. Gasoline's cost, like that of any commodity, lies at that intersection between what its owners are willing to take and what its would-be owners are willing to pay. Each time it hits $5, its producers are less willing to see it settle back below $2 or even below $3, whereas consumers are more willing to pay the higher price as we get used to it. I don't think it will be this year's cycle or even the next, but you can bet your ass that new pumps will have the capability to sell at $10+.
 

Doppel

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I'm not sure how unlikely that is.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/30/f...gy-aide-advocated-for-10-a-gallon-gas-prices/

Looks to me like "somehow" got figured out.

There is no inherent reason the USA's fuel HAS to cost so much less than Europe's, especially with the Messiah's war on fossil fuel energy production. Gasoline's cost, like that of any commodity, lies at that intersection between what its owners are willing to take and what its would-be owners are willing to pay. Each time it hits $5, its producers are less willing to see it settle back below $2 or even below $3, whereas consumers are more willing to pay the higher price as we get used to it. I don't think it will be this year's cycle or even the next, but you can bet your ass that new pumps will have the capability to sell at $10+.
So you believe his assertion that "Shell and BP stations already have sign crews changing the signs out."? This is demonstrable, if true. But since it's not it's simply a lie.

Anyway, gas is cheaper in the US--and we all know this--because its taxes are much less. And its economy is founded upon oil, as most are, but not gas at $9/gallon like in Denmark where people own one car, take the train to work, etc. but where people own F150s and live 30 miles from work. Whether they should or shouldn't is another matter but as gas goes up the economy is burdened.
If I'm correct, then we should plateau at maybe $5.50 to $6 over the summer.
Not a chance. Not even a chance of a spike to those levels. Demand will crater way before it happens. Yes, eventually it will, but not this year in the US*

* reserve right to retract prediction in face of WW III, nuclear attacks in Saudia Arabia, etc.
 

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It went over $4 in Detroit today. I'm thinking the peak will be 4.75 or so for this summer. You start to get over $5 and you just crippled this economy even more.
 
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Obama for America Radio Ad:
"Fill"
Announcer: Across Pennsylvania, we're living the problems. An economy in shambles. Families struggling. Gas prices close to four dollars a gallon.

What's Hillary Clinton's answer? Misleading negative ads. Here's the truth.

While she's played political games, it's Barack Obama who's taken on the oil companies, demanding higher gas mileage standards and a larger investment in alternative energy.

It's Obama who's worked to strip tax breaks from the oil giants as they roll up record profits.
And he's the only candidate who doesn't take a dime from oil company PACs or lobbyists. The only one.

The Federal Election Commission reports that Clinton's taken more from Big Oil and other PACs and lobbyists than any other candidate, Democrat or Republican.

The same old Washington politics isn't going to lift our economy or bring down gas prices.
So if you've had your fill of that...


Vote for change we can believe in, Barack Obama for President.
 

werepossum

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So you believe his assertion that "Shell and BP stations already have sign crews changing the signs out."? This is demonstrable, if true. But since it's not it's simply a lie.

Anyway, gas is cheaper in the US--and we all know this--because its taxes are much less. And its economy is founded upon oil, as most are, but not gas at $9/gallon like in Denmark where people own one car, take the train to work, etc. but where people own F150s and live 30 miles from work. Whether they should or shouldn't is another matter but as gas goes up the economy is burdened.Not a chance. Not even a chance of a spike to those levels. Demand will crater way before it happens. Yes, eventually it will, but not this year in the US*

* reserve right to retract prediction in face of WW III, nuclear attacks in Saudia Arabia, etc.
I have not seen anything like what Dave said about Shell and BP stations, but it's clear that we're headed in that direction. Obama has done a lot to drive away domestic production - two more drilling platforms left the Gulf headed toward Brazil (where Obama is giving loan guarantees) this week - and his energy secretary is devoted toward increasing gas prices as a matter of policy. I'm saying specifically that any new pumps being designed (and probably being purchased) today will have the capability of selling gasoline or diesel at $10/gallon because it's clear that is where we are headed.

I agree that the economy is burdened as gas goes up. But with people having endured several years of relative self-discipline, and having gotten relatively used to paying over $3, and with public transportation practical for few of us (and pleasant for far fewer), I don't think we're going to see the same level of demand decreases as gas approaches or tops $5.
 

dmcowen674

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3-1-2011

http://money.msn.com/how-to-budget/what-if-gas-cost-10-dollars-a-gallon.aspx?GT1=33029

What if gas cost $10 a gallon?


If you drove up to the pump tomorrow and saw that gasoline had hit $10 a gallon, you'd have to start acting as though you lived in a remote Alaskan village, where $10-a-gallon gasoline is already a reality.

"It's hard for people to stop using fuel," says Fred Rozell, the director of retail pricing for the Oil Price Information Service, which tracks gas prices at more than 100,000 stations around the U.S. "They must still drive to work. They can only do so much telecommuting or carpooling. Most driving is still needed, and people make up for the increased cost in other areas of their lives."

Buying gas also might not be as easy as it is now. Gas stations would beef up security because gas theft is always a bigger problem when prices go up, says Hale, of Nielsen.


"Pay inside first" would be a minimum step toward tighter security. Stations might do away with self-service pumps or devise barricade or key-card systems to restrict entry and exit at stations.


"According to all the polls, the most important reason that more people don't buy these vehicles is that they cost too much," says Denis Hayes, often recognized as the founder of Earth Day and now the president of the Bullitt Foundation, a Seattle organization supporting sustainable communities in the Pacific Northwest. "Assuming people are being honest with the pollsters . . . the savings in fuel costs would more than make up the difference of the initial cost."

He says that gas prices at $10 a gallon might be "what gets us over the hump in terms of realizing our dependence on petroleum."


"We would have to find alternative sources of energy, which would improve our position in the world economy, since we would be keeping more of it here instead of going elsewhere to import oil."


The reaction to high gas prices in Alaska has been an effort to find other energy sources.


"Alternative energy -- hydro, wind, biomass -- can offset 20% of total energy needs" in Alaskan villages, says Bruce Tiedeman, the rural outreach coordinator for the Alaska Energy Authority, "and some communities are close to getting away from 100% dependence on petroleum."
 

dmcowen674

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4-26-2011

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Gasol...4.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=

Gas pump prices up for 35 straight days; oil price, Texas refinery outages push them higher

Pump prices, which have followed oil higher this year, got another boost on Tuesday after three Texas refineries lost power. Authorities are still looking for the cause of the outage at the Valero, BP and Marathon Oil refineries in Texas City. A Dow Chemical plant also lost power.

Oil analyst Tom Kloza said the refinery shutdowns may have halted 300,000 barrels of daily gasoline production. It'll take time to get those refineries back online Kloza said. "Refineries are finicky. It's not like turning the lights back on."
 

dmcowen674

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4-26-2011 (Pre-planned)

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/26/3578281/shortages-in-east-midwest-raise.html

Texas refinery outages cause East and Mid-West gas shortages

First, overheated speculation in crude oil markets drove up gas prices in the winter, a time of typically declining prices. Then, unrest in the Middle East sent prices higher still this spring.

On Monday, a new red flag went up: declining stocks of motor gasoline and gasoline blending components in the Midwest and East.

The declining supply of gasoline was cited as the primary culprit as prices soared in the Midwest and East in recent weeks.

In Chicago, GasBuddy.com said, the average price of gas on Monday topped $4.31 a gallon, 50 cents higher than a month ago.

Patrick DeHaan, senior petroleum analyst for GasBuddy.com, expressed concern that declining stocks

"If those supplies don't improve soon, it's going to get a whole lot worse," DeHaan said. " … If supplies are down and you would have something happen with, say, BP or Exxon in Texas, you could be looking at another 20 cents to 50 cents a gallon."

And he said the refinery process of converting from winter gasoline blends to pricier spring/summer blends also has cut into supplies. Other refineries are doing maintenance work before ramping up to capacity.

"These factors vary from year to year, but it looks like they've combined this year to cut into supplies," DeHaan said.

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See the pattern? This is all pre-planned

60 cent increase with Texas refinery excuse will put Chicago at $5.25
for regular


 
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