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Londo_Jowo

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That was short lived, oil heading back up again

5-6-2011

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-a...6.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

Oil above $100


Oil rises to above $100 in Asia, stanching week-long plunge, ahead of key US jobs report


Some analysts expect oil to resume its rise as political unrest in the Middle East and North Africa could spread and threaten to disrupt crude supplies in the oil-rich region.


"Those geopolitical risks have not disappeared," said Victor Shum, an analyst with energy consultancy Purvin & Gertz in Singapore. "I think the up trend over the long term is still in tact, and what we saw yesterday was a big bump in the road."

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Now let's see what the News Anchors have to say as the price at the pump continues towards $6 here in Chicago.


Yet this afternoon it's below $98/barrel

http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/
 

wwswimming

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the question is, how do you store it - 5 gallon cans or a bigger tank ?

i was talking about how to control fuel costs with a farmer from Idaho. he has 500 acres - and a 100,000 gallon tank for diesel fuel.

one of the best hardware stores in Sonoma County went bankrupt because of their leaking fuel tank about 15 years ago. it was about a 5000 gallon tank.
 

JimW1949

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I was talking about how to control fuel costs with a farmer from Idaho. He has 500 acres - and a 100,000 gallon tank for diesel fuel.
Are you sure that figure of 100,000 gallons is correct? If the farmer used an average of 100 gallons of diesel fuel per day, it would take 2.7 years to use one tank of fuel. I am not even sure diesel fuel will keep that long without putting in some sort of additives to prevent it from going bad. Also, the cost to fill the tank would be astronomical. I suppose we could say he doesn't fill it up, but then why would he purchase such a big tank when a small one would do the job for a lot less money? I am not disputing you, I am just saying it sounds more than a little weird to me.
 

Capt Caveman

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Looks like Dave's hate for America will have to wait another summer. Maybe, drive for $5 another year:

Gas prices expected to drop 50 cents by summer

NEW YORK – Some relief from suffocating gas prices will likely arrive just in time for summer vacation. Expect a drop of nearly 50 cents as early as June, analysts say.

After rocketing up 91 cents since January, including 44 straight days of increases, the national average this past week stopped just shy of $4 a gallon and has retreated to under $3.98. A steady decline is expected to follow.

It might not be enough to evoke cheers from people who recall gas stations charging less than $3 a gallon last year. But it would still ease the burden on drivers. And it might help lift consumer spending, which powers about 70 percent of the economy. A 50-cent drop in prices would save U.S. drivers about $189 million a day.

Typically, gas prices peak each spring, then fall into a summertime swoon that can last several weeks. This year's decline should be gradual but steady, said Fred Rozell, the retail pricing director at the Oil Price Information Service.

Some drivers might not notice much of a price drop at first, Rozell cautioned. When average gas prices fluctuate nationally, some areas are affected more than others. In cities with many service stations, for instance, prices can be slower to fall. It's even possible prices will rise at some stations in coming days even if they decline nationally.

And after the galloping surge in prices this year, many gas station owners are reluctant to lower prices until they see their competition doing the same, Rozell said.

"It's just the nature of the business," he said. "They're going to try to get the most they can."

Station owners still feel bruised from their own higher costs earlier this year. In some cases, their suppliers raised prices so quickly that station owners couldn't pass along those higher costs to consumers fast enough. Competition also makes it hard for some stations to raise prices.

"So station owners will be watching each other this summer," Rozell said. "When one guy drops, so will the other."

A drop in prices would take some pressure off struggling consumers as well as businesses. As prices soared this year, surveys showed that motorists started to drive less. MasterCard SpendingPulse said this past week that it had recorded its sixth straight week of declining gasoline consumption.

That's a cautionary sign for the economy, because most drivers conserve fuel only after curbing spending on other discretionary items like furniture, computers and vacations.

Over the past month, gas prices have risen 36 cents a gallon in Columbus, Ohio, to $4.10. Steve Garrett has felt it. He's scrapped a summer trip to Myrtle Beach, Fla. And the bakery distribution center where he works has begun closing sites and laying off staff to save fuel on bread and pastry shipments.

If prices fall fast enough, Garrett, 43, said he may think about another vacation in August.

"But right now, I'm still just scared about the economy," he said. "I still might lose my job."

This past week, a confluence of factors stemmed the rise in gasoline prices.

Oil, which is used to make gasoline, tumbled 15 percent in price. Investors who were worried about rising oil supplies and falling gasoline demand in the United States helped drive down the price. Oil prices were also responding to a rising dollar. Oil is priced in dollars. So a stronger dollar makes oil less appealing to people buying with foreign currencies.

It was the largest weekly drop for oil in two and a half years. Some analysts predict that oil will keep falling in coming weeks — from about $97 a barrel to about $80.

Many U.S. refineries also are expected to boost production after a series of unplanned shutdowns stemming from power outages and other problems. Those refineries would pump more gasoline to gas stations. And the increased supplies should push down prices.

"It's going to be $3.50 per gallon this summer," oil analyst Andrew Lipow said. "At the very least, you can expect prices to fall 40 cents or so over the next several months."

Thirteen states and Washington, D.C., have recorded average prices above $4 per gallon. Prices shot up much higher than that in Hawaii, Alaska and parts of Illinois.

The run-up persuaded U.S. Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska to ask residents to post photos of local pump prices because "the rest of the country doesn't understand" what it's like to live with gasoline above $4.20 per gallon.

In Illinois, florist Harry Schneider said he had to cut back on shipments from his Melrose Park shop just before Mother's Day. With Chicago-area gas prices averaging $4.45 a gallon, Schneider said he couldn't afford to deliver some arrangements.

"I need to make enough to cover the driver's wages, wear-and-tear on the vehicles and fuel," Schneider said. "I keep looking at my own bottom line and wonder, `How long do I want to keep losing money?'"

In San Francisco, some top officials have traded their city-owned SUVs for more fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles. Police Chief Greg Suhr said he and his command staff would switch to Ford Fusion Hybrids. Mayor Edwin Lee opted for the Fusion sedan, which gets an average mileage of 39 miles per gallon.

Elsewhere, some hotel chains are starting to offer discounts to help offset higher gasoline costs.

Those changes may need to stay in place for a while. Even if oil falls steeply in coming months, analysts note that world demand continues to rise. Lipow predicts that oil could return to about $110 a barrel by year's end.

If that happens, and if any major hurricanes this year disrupt refining operations later this year, expect gasoline prices to once again flirt with $4 a gallon.

"It all depends on the weather," Rozell said. "Trying to predict anything beyond 30 days is witchcraft.
 

dmcowen674

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5-9-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110508/bs_nm/us_energy_gasoline_retail

U.S. gas prices hit $4 a gallon


The national average for self-serve, regular unleaded gas was $4 per gallon on May 6, up 11.98 cents from April 22, according to the nationwide Lundberg Survey.

At $4.50 per gallon, Chicago had the highest average for self-serve, regular unleaded gas, while the lowest price was $3.62 in Tucson, Arizona.
 

dmcowen674

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5-9-2011

At $4.50 per gallon, Chicago had the highest average for self-serve, regular unleaded gas, while the lowest price was $3.62 in Tucson, Arizona.

That $4.50 is for stations outside the city of Chicago.

You won't find any stations downtown anywhere near $4.50, most are around $4.89 with some slightly over $5 at $5.03, $5.09

Station closest to me just dropped 4 cents overnight and now at $4.97
 

dmcowen674

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Aren't the gas prices supposed to be coming down soon since the price of oil dropped?

Negative ghost rider

Oil up over $3 already this morning

When driving to work station did drop 4 cents from Friday.

On way back home they raised it back up 10 cents.

5-9-11

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-jumps-to-above-100-on-apf-4011750639.html?x=0&.v=6

Oil jumps to above $100 on weaker US dollar


Oil prices jumped to above $100 a barrel Monday as investors bought back into the market made more attractive by last week's plunge and a weaker U.S. dollar.

"The fundamental backdrop in the market remains entirely unaltered, with global oil demand still showing continued strength," Barclays Capital said in a report. "The general (oil price) trend from here should be higher, rather than lower."
 
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LegendKiller

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LOL...Financial Times is reporting that a hedge fund took a $400mm loss last week on the slide of oil. Three more are reported to take double digit losses.

Nope, no speculation found here.
 

bfdd

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Speculators were pulling out because they know the artificial price inflation couldn't last. Hilarious to see some take losses, how much you want to bet they start calling outvoil companies about it soon.
 

Imp

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LOL...Financial Times is reporting that a hedge fund took a $400mm loss last week on the slide of oil. Three more are reported to take double digit losses.

Nope, no speculation found here.

Oil went down ~$10 last week, so about 10%. To lose $400 million, they'd have had to have $4 billion in oil. Someone didn't diversify...
 

AznAnarchy99

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Don't forget, we have to actually hit $4 before we can really start driving for $5, though. Nationally, that hasn't happened this year.

Might not be nationally, but we're pretty damn close. Ive been paying $4.15-$4.35 for regular for the past 3 weeks.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by Doppel
Don't forget, we have to actually hit $4 before we can really start driving for $5, though. Nationally, that hasn't happened this year.


Might not be nationally, but we're pretty damn close. Ive been paying $4.15-$4.35 for regular for the past 3 weeks.

The idiot is caught up on "Averages" for who knows what reason.

He apparently lives on the moon or something as articles have been posted and it's all over the news how the "National Average" has crossed $4.

Meantime dolts such as me are paying closer to $5 up in Chicago.

and you can't be paying $4.15-$4.35 for regular for the past 3 weeks because his average says it has not crossed $4, what's the matter with you?

He knows better you do not.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by LegendKiller
LOL...Financial Times is reporting that a hedge fund took a $400mm loss last week on the slide of oil. Three more are reported to take double digit losses.

Nope, no speculation found here.



Oil went down ~$10 last week, so about 10%. To lose $400 million, they'd have had to have $4 billion in oil. Someone didn't diversify...

It gained back most of what dropped last week in just one day today

5-9-2011

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-r...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

Oil roars back after last week's big plunge



Investors poured money back into oil Monday, pushing the price up more than $5 and back over $100 a barrel.

"Nothing fundamental happened between Friday and Monday," said Stephen Schork, publisher of the energy industry newsletter The Schork Report.

"This just shows the power of speculators in this market."

On Monday the dollar back fell slightly, helping bargain-hunters push oil prices higher. The Euro rose to $1.4343 from $1.4337.
 

Doppel

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That $4.50 is for stations outside the city of Chicago.

You won't find any stations downtown anywhere near $4.50, most are around $4.89 with some slightly over $5 at $5.03, $5.09

Station closest to me just dropped 4 cents overnight and now at $4.97
You should be banned for continually lying in this gas thread. I will report this post as I have others.

chicagogasprices continually undermine your lies.
 
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dmcowen674

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Fresh excuses to jack gas prices back to $5 in Chicago and beyond ($4 in rest of the country)

Gas stations have already been cranking prices here since Monday.

5-10-2011

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-f...JpbnY-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

Oil higher in volatile trading

Pump prices continue to retreat after flirting with a national average of $4 per gallon last week, though analysts say prices may rise again in coming days because of a series of unplanned shutdowns at the nation's refineries. Analysts say some refineries have been hit by power outages, fires and equipment failures.


And flooding along the Mississippi River is expected to create problems with pipelines that move oil and gasoline from the Gulf Coast to other parts of the country.

Ongoing refinery problems could tighten gasoline supplies and push prices higher.
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and Lions and Tigers oh my
 

Capt Caveman

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Fresh excuses to jack gas prices back to $5 in Chicago and beyond ($4 in rest of the country)

Gas stations have already been cranking prices here since Monday.

5-10-2011

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-f...JpbnY-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

Oil higher in volatile trading

Pump prices continue to retreat after flirting with a national average of $4 per gallon last week, though analysts say prices may rise again in coming days because of a series of unplanned shutdowns at the nation's refineries. Analysts say some refineries have been hit by power outages, fires and equipment failures.


And flooding along the Mississippi River is expected to create problems with pipelines that move oil and gasoline from the Gulf Coast to other parts of the country.

Ongoing refinery problems could tighten gasoline supplies and push prices higher.
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and Lions and Tigers oh my

Lying again - http://www.chicagogasprices.com/
 
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