Got Gas? U.S. Economy to Worsen as Gas Prices Skyrocket

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Capt Caveman

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That penny that gas went down yesterday, scratch that, they put the penny back up today.

Oil back up over $100 today, went up $3

5-19-2011

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11123584/1/oil-price-rebounds-on-bullish-data.html?cm_ven=RSSFeed

Oil Prices Settle Above $100

Oil prices rebounded to settle above $100 on surprising inventory data and a return of risk appetite.

After the last few days of prices moving lower, the crude complex looked ripe for a rebound, especially with the combination of rising equities and a weaker dollar overnight to lend support."

Actually, prices are going down as you lie - http://www.chicagogasprices.com/
 

werepossum

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I paid $3.83 yesterday, $11.60 for 3.04 gallons of 87 octane regular. But that includes a 5 cent premium for pure gasoline - bikes don't like ethanol - and in different parts of town, I can buy gasoline with ethanol for as little as $3.59. It's slowly coming down here, even though Memorial Day is just around the corner.

EDIT: It's been bike weather all week, just scattered showers, and I got 47 mpg on that last tank.
 

Doppel

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Prices trending down basically across the board now for over a week. That is, unless you live in Chicago where prices went up a dollar in the past week.
 

Capt Caveman

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Prices have been steady for the last couple of weeks at $4.05 down the street from me but this morning, they dropped to $3.99
 

allisolm

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Saw lots of $3.69 for regular yesterday. Apparently there are even places here at $3.50. I never saw it above $3.91 at the high point for regular anywhere here in Tallahassee.
 

Engineer

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Seems people are now "happy" in the 3.50+ range. Again, big oil executives in their Burns voice...."excellent". Mission accomplished.
 

Pardus

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$3.93 for me, costs $40 to fill my car, chevy malibu. The vehicle behind me was a ford excursion, his cost was $125.00
 

Doppel

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Seems people are now "happy" in the 3.50+ range. Again, big oil executives in their Burns voice...."excellent". Mission accomplished.
It's still quite possible that prices will drop a lot but that range does seem pretty digestible to most people. Economy cars are doing very well now but guzzlers aren't really crashing. I see a lot of advancements just in the past few years in fuel economy, though, so from a practical stance if gas is $4 but you're getting 25% more miles per gallon than when it was low 3s it's a wash, really. A 274 horsepower Sonata, which is a very decent sized sedan, can get low 30's now on the highway. And a lot of the compacts are at or close to 40 highway, too. When we switched to a hybrid for our primary vehicle the mileage more than doubled, so even with gas at $4 I'm paying per mile what I used to pay when it was under $2.
 

Engineer

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It's still quite possible that prices will drop a lot but that range does seem pretty digestible to most people. Economy cars are doing very well now but guzzlers aren't really crashing. I see a lot of advancements just in the past few years in fuel economy, though, so from a practical stance if gas is $4 but you're getting 25% more miles per gallon than when it was low 3s it's a wash, really. A 274 horsepower Sonata, which is a very decent sized sedan, can get low 30's now on the highway. And a lot of the compacts are at or close to 40 highway, too. When we switched to a hybrid for our primary vehicle the mileage more than doubled, so even with gas at $4 I'm paying per mile what I used to pay when it was under $2.

That may be true but the number of vehicles sold during the last few years (since the last gas spike) has fallen greatly and is starting to rebound. Example: Around 2007 or so, number of cars sold (IIRC) was around 16 million. Dropped to just over 8 million in 2009. Estimates for 13 million this year. People are holding onto their older cars much longer. The point being that not as many of the newer, high efficient cars are making it out there replacing the higher gas consuming cars (at least not yet).

I also suspect that the many millions laid off are simply not driving as gas usage is down over 8% from it all time high in the US and is actually steady or dropping (suggesting between not driving as much and a combo of more fuel efficient cars - it's working).
 

Doppel

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Does anyone think we'll ever see it go below $3/gallon again? I don't.
Yes, I give very strong odds that national average price of 87 gas in the US will go under $3 again, even if it's only for a short while during a commodities "crash" or increase of dollar. There are many ways it could happen.. If it doesn't happen within two years, though, I'd have to retract this position and change to "not very likely". Even still, I think on average gas will probably be $3 or thereabouts--or higher--pretty much forever going forward except for at the most a short window below. The world has basically showed it's willing to pay that and so it will.
Well they thought people would at $6 but not $5.

Obviously their sources about peoples reaction is right so far.
Who are the "they", your psychiatrists, or parole officers?
 

dmcowen674

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5-22-2011

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...ll-highest-20110522,0,2812489.story?track=rss

Gas prices fall, but Chicago's still highest


The average U.S. price of a gallon of gasoline has dropped about nine cents over the past two weeks, but Chicago's still home to the nation's highest gas prices, according to a national survey of fuel prices.

The Lundberg Survey puts the average price for a gallon of regular at $3.91.

Jackson, Miss., had the nation's lowest average price for gas at $3.60. Chicago had the highest at $4.38.
 

Zebo

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Does anyone think we'll ever see it go below $3/gallon again? I don't.

Hell no.

The International Energy Agency, says the world’s known reserves of oil are declining at a rate of 6% per year. Since oil is everything sky is the limit.

Don't be fooled by slight declines in spot price. You can track any stock or commodity and it's +- 35% in a year, oil will do the same but trend way up.
 
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Zebo

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I paid $3.83 yesterday, $11.60 for 3.04 gallons of 87 octane regular. But that includes a 5 cent premium for pure gasoline - bikes don't like ethanol - and in different parts of town, I can buy gasoline with ethanol for as little as $3.59. It's slowly coming down here, even though Memorial Day is just around the corner.

EDIT: It's been bike weather all week, just scattered showers, and I got 47 mpg on that last tank.

Cars don't like it either. My towncar gets 26 on HWY with real gas and 24 with 10% ethanol. There are a few stations that advertise 100% gas around here and I try shop there since it's actually more economical not to mention more power noticed in things like boats and off road vehicles. My truck is a diesel so...
 

Doppel

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Hell no.

The International Energy Agency, says the world’s known reserves of oil are declining at a rate of 6% per year. Since oil is everything sky is the limit.

Don't be fooled by slight declines in spot price. You can track any stock or commodity and it's +- 35% in a year, oil will do the same but trend way up.
Before you say never, in 2008 national average gas was over $4 and then it quite quickly fell to UNDER $2. Only for a moment, but it happened.

Oil is @*#(ing mess, though. We are crack addicts driving around our silly exorbitantly massive freaking vehicles with enough horsepower to (literally) move a school bus. We will change, not because we want to but because gas will hit $4 again and then $5, at some point and $6 and we'll be forced to. We'll look like Europe's fleet of cars and it will be fine in the end, we have such cheap gas in the US that there is a ton of room to play with.
 
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