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[el etro]

Upgraded power delivery over the standard Classified, more phases etc. 8+8+6 pin power. Also has a dip switch to inject an additional .5mv directly to the core, which are also cherry picked/binned best of the bunch cores. Mostly a bragging rights card, best 780ti out there.

I am in for two. Will undervolt both and run them on water for max efficiency at 900core.

Binning oriented for air overclocks, water overclocks, LN2 overclocks and undervolts are all diferent, no? By i know, power efficient cards have High Asic, and Overclock friendly cards have generally low ASIC.
If you buy card with overclock oriented binning, you will end with a more efficient card too?

Seriously? Can't you do that to reference cards as well? Why pay the high MSRP?

By i know you have to be lucky to get a High ASIC Quality card and this not depend of binned cards.

 

[Xed]

Mine has shipped. Will see what the asic gods give me tomorrow.

 

[TreVader]

Why would anybody buy this when Titan Black Edition will be out in a few weeks? It's not a Halo card, it's an overclockers card. And that vram is a joke for 2x r290 or 780 prices.



Seriously I don't get it.

 

[Grooveriding]

It is an overclocker's card and as an overclocker there will no card faster than it. More VRAM is useless if you can't make use of it.

 

[OCGuy]

Who wants to pay for another 3GB of high-end VRAM when you don't need it?

 

[TreVader]

It is an overclocker's card and as an overclocker there will no card faster than it. More VRAM is useless if you can't make use of it.

That's the thing though, BF4 already does make use of it. I get buying this thing for benches and OCing... but for games? Please...

 

[OCGuy]

That's the thing though, BF4 already does make use of it. I get buying this thing for benches and OCing... but for games? Please...

Memory leak != Making use of it

 

[TreVader]

Memory leak != Making use of it

Could you link me to any evidence that this is true?



Its amazing to me how people can act like a card NOT having a feature IS a feature. You can keep telling yourself that this is a great deal and the fact that it has less VRAM somehow makes it "slim" and "lithe" but the truth is even if it's not an issue now, it will be.

 

[Xed]

I don't play bf4. I don't want a blower. I have no use for 6gb of ram. I want to screw around with this card and test its limits. Games I currently play don't make much use of sli so I don't want to go dual cards again. My current cards are being sold for a large chunk of the cost. I can go on for awhile with my reasons.

You can't really force your perceptions of value on someone else in an entirely different situation. Well you can as you already have but maybe look at it objectively next time.

 

[OCGuy]

Could you link me to any evidence that this is true?

Its amazing to me how people can act like a card NOT having a feature IS a feature. You can keep telling yourself that this is a great deal and the fact that it has less VRAM somehow makes it "slim" and "lithe" but the truth is even if it's not an issue now, it will be.

Where is it using up the 3GB and causing an issue? If it is you have a memory leak. If you want to pay for 2X the necessary VRAM then I don't know what to tell you...

Before we move on-wards into the conclusion it is handy to know how much graphics memory the game requires in a preferred resolution. You'll notice that overall 2GB graphics cards are sufficient and thus the generic rule of thumb here for maximum quality mode with complex MSAA levels at 2 AA samples. So a graphics card with 2 GB of graphics memory is really recommended. Should you have less available and run into performance issues, the easiest way out preventing frames from being swapped back and forth in that framebuffer is to select medium quality settings or to disable MSAA.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/battlefield_4_vga_graphics_performance_benchmark,11.html

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't play bf4. I don't want a blower. I have no use for 6gb of ram. I want to screw around with this card and test its limits. Games I currently play don't make much use of sli so I don't want to go dual cards again. My current cards are being sold for a large chunk of the cost. I can go on for awhile with my reasons.

You can't really force your perceptions of value on someone else in an entirely different situation. Well you can as you already have but maybe look at it objectively next time.

We are all just stating our opinions here. I really doubt this card is going to be appreciably faster than a good aftermarket 780 or 290 once all of the cards are O/C'd. Certainly not $850 faster. It's another money grab like titan was, IMO. Unless you think a couple of 780's or 290's aren't going to trounce this card?

 

[OCGuy]

We are all just stating our opinions here. I really doubt this card is going to be appreciably faster than a good aftermarket 780 or 290 once all of the cards are O/C'd. Certainly not $850 faster. It's another money grab like titan was, IMO. Unless you think a couple of 780's or 290's aren't going to trounce this card?

This isn't an Nvidia reference card.....EVGA put time and money and engineering into it. Should they not get to mark it up to recoup the cost?

Who is grabbing money from who? I thought people willingly purchased these things...

 

[ams23]

Who wants to pay for another 3GB of high-end VRAM when you don't need it?

Yeah, for gaming purposes, a 3GB framebuffer does not limit the GTX 780 Ti (as you can see by the fact that the 3GB GTX 780 Ti is always ahead of the 6GB GTX Titan with respect to gaming performance, even at 4k resolution). A 6GB framebuffer would be more useful for certain compute work that requires high double precision throughput (and that is partly why a card like Titan has that much VRAM in the first place).

 

[ams23]

This isn't an Nvidia reference card.....EVGA put time and money and engineering into it. Should they not get to mark it up to recoup the cost?

Who is grabbing money from who? I thought people willingly purchased these things...

What he said is just nonsensical. This is a very premium card with a ~ 20-30% cost premium compared to other GTX 780 Ti's, which is certainly within reason considering it is a limited edition card.

 

[Xed]

We are all just stating our opinions here. I really doubt this card is going to be appreciably faster than a good aftermarket 780 or 290 once all of the cards are O/C'd. Certainly not $850 faster. It's another money grab like titan was, IMO. Unless you think a couple of 780's or 290's aren't going to trounce this card?

I was just responding to this.

Why would anybody buy this when Titan Black Edition will be out in a few weeks? It's not a Halo card, it's an overclockers card. And that vram is a joke for 2x r290 or 780 prices.

Seriously I don't get it.

I'm out 200 bucks and I'll have what is hopefully the fastest and quietest 780ti available since no lightning is being made.

 

[Gloomy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but video memory usage in DirectX applications is adaptive, because it's handled by the driver. So cards with lower amounts of video memory just make use of more aggressive garbage collection and it is difficult to pinpoint how much memory is -actually- needed for a given scene unless you are the game's developer.

y/n

 

[Fastx]

I was just responding to this.



I'm out 200 bucks and I'll have what is hopefully the fastest and quietest 780ti available since no lightning is being made.

GTX 780 TI Lightning
http://videocardz.com/49417/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-lightning-spotted

 

[Xed]

GTX 780 TI Lightning
http://videocardz.com/49417/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-lightning-spotted

Update - Only 12 samples of the GeForce GTX 780 Ti Lightning were manufactured by MSI and the card will never go retail.

Unless something else has changed since I read that.

 

[Grooveriding]

GTX 780 TI Lightning
http://videocardz.com/49417/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-lightning-spotted

MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti Lightning will not be available for purchase. Only 12 cards were made and the card will not be commercialized (source).

edit: beaten to it. I would take an EVGA Classified over a Lightning anyways. Both are excellent cards, but EVGA has such a painless and smooth warranty process if necessary that I prefer them. Also the Kingpin is just really awesome on multiple levels.

 

[Fastx]

Update - Only 12 samples of the GeForce GTX 780 Ti Lightning were manufactured by MSI and the card will never go retail.

Unless something else has changed since I read that.

So what is the reason they are only making 12 and not producing more?

 

[Xed]

So what is the reason they are only making 12 and not producing more?

I would guess they weren't allowed or willing to go around the green light program again and said to hell with it. Nvidia got upset with both the 680 and 780 lightnings.

Or they figure they'd sell more 290x lightnings than 780ti's and put everything into that card instead of going the half-assed route of slapping a 780 cooler onto it as others have done.

 

[3DVagabond]

I was just responding to this.



I'm out 200 bucks and I'll have what is hopefully the fastest and quietest 780ti available since no lightning is being made.

Fair enough. I don't agree with TreVader myself on the Titan Black edition being any more worthwhile. It's probably gonna be worse value.

 

[TreVader]

Where is it using up the 3GB and causing an issue? If it is you have a memory leak. If you want to pay for 2X the necessary VRAM then I don't know what to tell you...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/battlefield_4_vga_graphics_performance_benchmark,11.html

The graph you just posted contradicts your statement. That graph tells me that a 780 ti will not be able to run a game at 8x Ultra/4k. At 4x Ultra/4k it's gonna have a hard time: usually those cards don't adress the full 3072MB and it's already hitting 2800MB.

Thats an awful thin margin to be spending 850 on. Worse if you consider than people will be buying 4 way SLI systems. If I spend $4000 on cards to play games, im gonna be pretty pissed when i try to play a game at 8x MSAA Ultra/4k and it crashes because it goes over my frame buffer. Add that to the fact that games will introduce higher resolution textures, and 3GB starts to look really really bad for a "halo" card.

 

[KaRLiToS]

So what's special about this version?

There is a Difference of 2 fps with the normal GTX 780 ti but for a 100$ extra from the already expensive GTX 780 ti.

 

[OCGuy]

2fps from a reference? Got a link for that?