Got my car Dyno'd yesterday......

[Ornery]

Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

 

[DaTT]

I would never argue the handling of a North American car to an overseas car.

 

[DaTT]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

QFT

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT
Sure it will handle better, Mustangs have never been a handling car....although greatly improved over the years . Show me some numbers where the EVO is quicker in a straight line please.

Stock EVO:

0-60mph: 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.4 seconds @ approx 104mph
Braking 60-0: 108ft (better than a Ferrari 360 Modena)

WRX-STi performance is almost identical to the EVO.

Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

I know, they are very close. I'd give the nod to the EVO's AWD though over most drivers trying to launch the RWD Mustang properly. Can't argue about the handling and brakes though. EVO has you beat. So does the STi.

but the mustang looks a helluva lot better, and you have $$ to spare for upgrades

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

Well, the Subaru WRS-STi is pretty much bulletproof unless you do 5000+ rpm clutch dumps into the drivetrain trying to do burnouts. It isn't meant for the dragstrip but it will out accelerate most cars regardless. I won't comment on the EVO's reliability but the Subaru is excellent.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ornery
Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

Well, the Subaru WRS-STi is pretty much bulletproof unless you do 5000+ rpm clutch dumps into the drivetrain trying to do burnouts. It isn't meant for the dragstrip but it will out accelerate most cars regardless. I won't comment on the EVO's reliability but the Subaru is excellent.

you mean, a Mitsubishi might not be reliable???

really? you dont say?

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: CraigRT

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

well, aren't truck engine focus on torque than Horsepower?
Toyota's 4.7L on the LX470 and Land Cruiser has like 300hp, and the smaller 4.3L on the LS and SC has more hp.

The Mustang is an "affordable" car with a strong V8. Show me any other car that you can buy for the price of a new mustang with 300 HP.

GTO. But that's only if you want a faster car than a Mustang.

GTO starts at $32,995 (excellent price for a Grand Prix :roll: )

The GTO starts at $33k but comes loaded. If you fully load out a GT it'll be in the same range as well. Only you lose out on 100hp.

But gain SOOOOoooOOOoOOoOOo much in styling

Yes, you can drive a car that looks just like the 17 year old girl driving a 6-cyl Mustang down the block with a typical plain American interior.

But looks can be subjective, I like the GTO styling better than the Mustang. It just looks classier, and the interior is much nicer..

 

[DaTT]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ornery
Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

Well, the Subaru WRS-STi is pretty much bulletproof unless you do 5000+ rpm clutch dumps into the drivetrain trying to do burnouts. It isn't meant for the dragstrip but it will out accelerate most cars regardless. I won't comment on the EVO's reliability but the Subaru is excellent.

I don't care what car you have, dumping the clutch at 5K is unpleasant for the car.

 

[DaTT]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: CraigRT

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

well, aren't truck engine focus on torque than Horsepower?
Toyota's 4.7L on the LX470 and Land Cruiser has like 300hp, and the smaller 4.3L on the LS and SC has more hp.

The Mustang is an "affordable" car with a strong V8. Show me any other car that you can buy for the price of a new mustang with 300 HP.

GTO. But that's only if you want a faster car than a Mustang.

GTO starts at $32,995 (excellent price for a Grand Prix :roll: )

The GTO starts at $33k but comes loaded. If you fully load out a GT it'll be in the same range as well. Only you lose out on 100hp.

But gain SOOOOoooOOOoOOoOOo much in styling

Yes, you can drive a car that looks just like the 17 year old girl driving a 6-cyl Mustang down the block with a typical plain American interior.

But looks can be subjective, I like the GTO styling better than the Mustang. It just looks classier, and the interior is much nicer..

GT's and V6's have major differences in styling.

I'm not going to argue your opinion, as you are entitled to it......no matter how wrong it is

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT
Sure it will handle better, Mustangs have never been a handling car....although greatly improved over the years . Show me some numbers where the EVO is quicker in a straight line please.

Stock EVO:

0-60mph: 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.4 seconds @ approx 104mph
Braking 60-0: 108ft (better than a Ferrari 360 Modena)

WRX-STi performance is almost identical to the EVO.

Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

I know, they are very close. I'd give the nod to the EVO's AWD though over most drivers trying to launch the RWD Mustang properly. Can't argue about the handling and brakes though. EVO has you beat. So does the STi.

but the mustang looks a helluva lot better, and you have $$ to spare for upgrades

Agreed. Just offering a different opinion. I never used to look twice at those cars until I actually started reading about them and I was immediately impressed by what they are.

I have to say that I find the looks of the STi (at least the '04-'05) appealing.

Go drive one sometime. I've owned 2 Mustang GTs and my neighbor, who now owns a modded WRX, used to own a mid 90s Camaro Z28. There are many muscle car guys who are getting into these cars.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Nice numbers Datt...not suprised at all that Ford under-rated the GT's output considering the outcry from Cobra owners many years when they came up short on the dyno. We all know that Honda and Toyota have been honest with their HP/TQ ratings lately, right?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: CraigRT

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

well, aren't truck engine focus on torque than Horsepower?
Toyota's 4.7L on the LX470 and Land Cruiser has like 300hp, and the smaller 4.3L on the LS and SC has more hp.

The Mustang is an "affordable" car with a strong V8. Show me any other car that you can buy for the price of a new mustang with 300 HP.

GTO. But that's only if you want a faster car than a Mustang.

<--- 2005 GTO owner

 

[DaTT]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Nice numbers Datt...not suprised at all that Ford under-rated the GT's output considering the outcry from Cobra owners many years when they came up short on the dyno. We all know that Honda and Toyota have been honest with their HP/TQ ratings lately, right?

Wasn't that a simple intake manifold replacement to correct the problem....at Ford's expense of course.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT
Sure it will handle better, Mustangs have never been a handling car....although greatly improved over the years . Show me some numbers where the EVO is quicker in a straight line please.

Stock EVO:

0-60mph: 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.4 seconds @ approx 104mph
Braking 60-0: 108ft (better than a Ferrari 360 Modena)

WRX-STi performance is almost identical to the EVO.

Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

I know, they are very close. I'd give the nod to the EVO's AWD though over most drivers trying to launch the RWD Mustang properly. Can't argue about the handling and brakes though. EVO has you beat. So does the STi.

but the mustang looks a helluva lot better, and you have $$ to spare for upgrades

Agreed. Just offering a different opinion. I never used to look twice at those cars until I actually started reading about them and I was immediately impressed by what they are.

I have to say that I find the looks of the STi (at least the '04-'05) appealing.

Go drive one sometime. I've owned 2 Mustang GTs and my neighbor, who now owns a modded WRX, used to own a mid 90s Camaro Z28. There are many muscle car guys who are getting into these cars.

one of these days i'll get my:

a) yamaha R6 or YZF600R

b) chrysler 300C-SRT8

c) Audi RS4

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Nice numbers Datt...not suprised at all that Ford under-rated the GT's output considering the outcry from Cobra owners many years when they came up short on the dyno. We all know that Honda and Toyota have been honest with their HP/TQ ratings lately, right?

Wasn't that a simple intake manifold replacement to correct the problem....at Ford's expense of course.

Yes it was the '99 Cobra - All of the cars received a new intake manifold, catback exhaust, and computer calibration to produce the as-advertised 320 hp. I think somehow we benefitted from that in our '05's

What mods do you have planned? So far, I've only added the FRPP/Borla axle backs and a strut tower brace. I have a cold-air kit on back order and still deciding on which computer tuner to get...I'm leaning towards the Diablosport Predator.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: DaTT


Me thinks nowadays, powertrain loss is somewhere in the range of 10-12% RWD......or they under rated the motor.

They intentionally under rated the motor. The drivetrain loss is still around 15%-18%. There's no way that a RWD transmission has only a 10-12% loss.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ornery
Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

Well, the Subaru WRS-STi is pretty much bulletproof unless you do 5000+ rpm clutch dumps into the drivetrain trying to do burnouts. It isn't meant for the dragstrip but it will out accelerate most cars regardless. I won't comment on the EVO's reliability but the Subaru is excellent.

putting reliablity and styling aside, the Mustang GT is the cheapest way to get 300horsepower. With 27k I can shame a BMW 330 on teh str8.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ornery
Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

Well, the Subaru WRS-STi is pretty much bulletproof unless you do 5000+ rpm clutch dumps into the drivetrain trying to do burnouts. It isn't meant for the dragstrip but it will out accelerate most cars regardless. I won't comment on the EVO's reliability but the Subaru is excellent.

putting reliablity and styling aside, the Mustang GT is the cheapest way to get 300horsepower. With 27k I can shame a BMW 330 on teh str8.

BMW 330 is not a fast car...

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: DaTT
GTO starts at $32,995 (excellent price for a Grand Prix :roll: )

Except the GTO is made in Australia by Holden.

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: andylawcc
speaking of which, how do they Dyno 4WD cars? jack up the front so it's spinning in the air?

I actually asked the guy that...he said, if he can, he pulls one of the drive shafts out.

Yep I know someone that did that with their Talon.

 

[Tea Bag]

Originally posted by: DaTT

GTO starts at $32,995 (excellent price for a Holden Monaro CV8 )

Not exactly a Grand Prix.

EDIT : BLAST! FOILED AGAIN!

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

It's normally aspirated with fewer exotic parts to break. I can appreciate that!

Or to put it another way, the EVO and WRX have more exotic parts to upgrade for even more performance, and turbo boost that can be easily increased.

Sorry but I don't like the looks of the current gen. Mustang.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: arcenite
I wouldn't like those results. That sucks for a V8.

you are retarded, those are great numbers.

sorry your civic sucks.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DaTT
Sure it will handle better, Mustangs have never been a handling car....although greatly improved over the years . Show me some numbers where the EVO is quicker in a straight line please.

Stock EVO:

0-60mph: 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.4 seconds @ approx 104mph
Braking 60-0: 108ft (better than a Ferrari 360 Modena)

WRX-STi performance is almost identical to the EVO.

Stock GT is under 5 0-60 and mid 13's 1/4 as well.

I know, they are very close. I'd give the nod to the EVO's AWD though over most drivers trying to launch the RWD Mustang properly. Can't argue about the handling and brakes though. EVO has you beat. So does the STi.

the mustang is a little cheaper tho, and i think the standard US-spec Evo doesn't have the LSD and AYC... IIRC.

 

[Viper GTS]

Not a fair comparison for the WRX STi & Evo. I'm a Subaru whore & I would laugh at anyone trying to compare the two. Maybe a WRX, but then it would be a really lopsided competition. STi is the only real competitor in power & it's FAR more expensive.

Nobody in their right mind would pay a markup on a Mustang (buddy here in PA bought the first MT GT his dealer got, paid sticker for it). These days they're probably selling under sticker.

Mustang GT is THE V8 power bargain, there is no discussion there. The one possible exception MIGHT be an absolute base model Ram 1500 + Hemi. The SRT-4 is putting out not much less for a lot cheaper, but if you want a V8 & RWD the Mustang is the way to go.

Those numbers are simply outstanding for the money.

Viper GTS