Got my car Dyno'd yesterday......

[AdamSnow]

Not bad at all...

My SRT was :

255hp
261tq

Stock. That really impressed me... car has way more power than it is rated... (all SRT models have proven to be like this however)

That's awesome man... Can't complain about those numbers at all... Plus the RWD makes a world of difference...

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: arcenite
I wouldn't like those results. That sucks for a V8.

It's not that bad, are you kidding?

that's 300 crank HP easily.. much more than a lot of other V8's out there.

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

Many import V6s do just under a hair of these numbers, and they're V6's. Atleast GM's new V8's have power!

I'd say it would be difficult to find many import V6 engines without some sort of forced induction that can do better.

321hp to the crank is very respectable for a car rated at 300hp at 15% driveline loss.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

A stock '05 Dyno result - the one in blue...the red is a stock '04 Mach 1
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[Apex]

Depending on the type of dyno, at ~300hp, even variations of 30-40hp are not uncommon.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Not a fair comparison for the WRX STi & Evo. I'm a Subaru whore & I would laugh at anyone trying to compare the two. Maybe a WRX, but then it would be a really lopsided competition. STi is the only real competitor in power & it's FAR more expensive.

Nobody in their right mind would pay a markup on a Mustang (buddy here in PA bought the first MT GT his dealer got, paid sticker for it). These days they're probably selling under sticker.

Mustang GT is THE V8 power bargain, there is no discussion there. The one possible exception MIGHT be an absolute base model Ram 1500 + Hemi. The SRT-4 is putting out not much less for a lot cheaper, but if you want a V8 & RWD the Mustang is the way to go.

Those numbers are simply outstanding for the money.

Viper GTS

Which is why I don't own one. I don't know what they're selling for now but I did float out about 4 requests online about 2 months ago to dealers in the San Diego area, just out of curiousity, and they all had markups. I'd probably have to go up to Los Angeles to buy one; like I've done with pretty much every new car I've purchased since moving down here.

I do like the Mustang GT and I've owned a couple of them. I'd never pay a dealer markup though. Only an idiot would do that. I'm sure they'll be lining up for the new Cobra though and paying a $10k markup on it...:roll:

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Which is why I don't own one. I don't know what they're selling for now but I did float out about 4 requests online about 2 months ago to dealers in the San Diego area, just out of curiousity, and they all had markups. I'd probably have to go up to Los Angeles to buy one; like I've done with pretty much every new car I've purchased since moving down here.

Can't blame them for trying, but there's always somebody that will sell at sticker.

When my coworker bought his one dealer wanted quite a bit over sticker. Another dealer in town happily sold at sticker.

And yes the markup will be HORRIBLE on the Shelby.

Very well might be worth it.



Viper GTS

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Which is why I don't own one. I don't know what they're selling for now but I did float out about 4 requests online about 2 months ago to dealers in the San Diego area, just out of curiousity, and they all had markups. I'd probably have to go up to Los Angeles to buy one; like I've done with pretty much every new car I've purchased since moving down here.

Can't blame them for trying, but there's always somebody that will sell at sticker.

When my coworker bought his one dealer wanted quite a bit over sticker. Another dealer in town happily sold at sticker.

And yes the markup will be HORRIBLE on the Shelby.

Very well might be worth it.



Viper GTS

might??

Might my ass, it WILL be worth it!

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: DaTT
I would never argue the handling of a North American car to an overseas car.

And I would never care. There isn't a dime's worth of difference in real-world handling in any comparable car to a Mustang, anyway.

Look at skid pad numbers all you want. Or slalom. I could care less.

When did you ever race someone that pulled up next to you at a stoplight through a slalom?

If you're going to race someone, it's going to be in a drag race. Or maybe you get into it at highway speeds occasionally.
But how many can honestly say that they've ever raced anyone on a twisting, turning mountain road?

That's right, either none or nearly none. And you never will.

So everyone keep arguing about which car handles better if a professional driver is behind the wheel.
And keep trying to read the license plate of the Mustang, Camaro, GTO or Vette that's busy leaving you in the dust from the stoplight.

Maybe at the next light you can tell the driver how Car and Driver had an article that said your car will handle better than his. Better talk fast, though.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Nice numbers Datt...not suprised at all that Ford under-rated the GT's output considering the outcry from Cobra owners many years when they came up short on the dyno. We all know that Honda and Toyota have been honest with their HP/TQ ratings lately, right?

Wasn't that a simple intake manifold replacement to correct the problem....at Ford's expense of course.

No, it was more than that. Manifold, exhaust, and I believe a reprogram of the PCM.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Which is why I don't own one. I don't know what they're selling for now but I did float out about 4 requests online about 2 months ago to dealers in the San Diego area, just out of curiousity, and they all had markups. I'd probably have to go up to Los Angeles to buy one; like I've done with pretty much every new car I've purchased since moving down here.

Can't blame them for trying, but there's always somebody that will sell at sticker.

When my coworker bought his one dealer wanted quite a bit over sticker. Another dealer in town happily sold at sticker.

And yes the markup will be HORRIBLE on the Shelby.

Very well might be worth it.



Viper GTS

You should see how much over sticker people are paying for the GT. Obviously, it's in a different class than the Stangs, but it's still ridiculous.
One guy sent a blank check to the dealership I used to work and told the owner to fill in whatever he wanted for it...he wanted one that bad.

 

[Leper Messiah]

cool. If wasn't under 25 and I was making more money, I'd look at getting one, but man, waaay too much insurance at 18.

 

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
Not bad at all...

My SRT was :

255hp
261tq

Stock. That really impressed me... car has way more power than it is rated... (all SRT models have proven to be like this however)

That's awesome man... Can't complain about those numbers at all... Plus the RWD makes a world of difference...

Post dyno slips please.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: arcenite
I wouldn't like those results. That sucks for a V8.

It's not that bad, are you kidding?

that's 300 crank HP easily.. much more than a lot of other V8's out there.

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

Many import V6s do just under a hair of these numbers, and they're V6's.

Not normally aspirated, they don't.
And number of cylinders is mostly irrelevant....the cubic inches is all that matters. Forced induction is simply a way of making a small displacement engine act bigger.

It's no more impressive to take a 4 cylinder and turbo it to the max and make it have 500 hp, than it is to take a 454 big block and do the same normally aspirated.
You have to forget that the 4 cylinder is a small engine at that point....putting the turbo on it makes it the same as a larger one....and you have to remember that you can always do the same to the larger engine, too.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

You should see how much over sticker people are paying for the GT. Obviously, it's in a different class than the Stangs, but it's still ridiculous.
One guy sent a blank check to the dealership I used to work and told the owner to fill in whatever he wanted for it...he wanted one that bad.

This one went for 5k under MSRP :Q

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

You should see how much over sticker people are paying for the GT. Obviously, it's in a different class than the Stangs, but it's still ridiculous.
One guy sent a blank check to the dealership I used to work and told the owner to fill in whatever he wanted for it...he wanted one that bad.

This one went for 5k under MSRP :Q

MSRP is about 141k, so that should be about 10 grand over sticker.

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: DaTT
I would never argue the handling of a North American car to an overseas car.

And I would never care. There isn't a dime's worth of difference in real-world handling in any comparable car to a Mustang, anyway.

Look at skid pad numbers all you want. Or slalom. I could care less.

When did you ever race someone that pulled up next to you at a stoplight through a slalom?

If you're going to race someone, it's going to be in a drag race. Or maybe you get into it at highway speeds occasionally.
But how many can honestly say that they've ever raced anyone on a twisting, turning mountain road?

That's right, either none or nearly none. And you never will.

So everyone keep arguing about which car handles better if a professional driver is behind the wheel.
And keep trying to read the license plate of the Mustang, Camaro, GTO or Vette that's busy leaving you in the dust from the stoplight.

Maybe at the next light you can tell the driver how Car and Driver had an article that said your car will handle better than his. Better talk fast, though.

Not exactly a mountain road, but I have raced where cornering is important.
Solo II

Have fun being a stupid street racer though. :thumbsdown:

 

[johnnqq]

what's it called? it made 350hp stock? oh yea ls1. how is the new mustang? i hear its crap (from a guy who owns it) but it just looks so purty. your thoughts?

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: arcenite
I wouldn't like those results. That sucks for a V8.

It's not that bad, are you kidding?

that's 300 crank HP easily.. much more than a lot of other V8's out there.

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

Many import V6s do just under a hair of these numbers, and they're V6's.

Not normally aspirated, they don't.
And number of cylinders is mostly irrelevant....the cubic inches is all that matters. Forced induction is simply a way of making a small displacement engine act bigger.

It's no more impressive to take a 4 cylinder and turbo it to the max and make it have 500 hp, than it is to take a 454 big block and do the same normally aspirated.
You have to forget that the 4 cylinder is a small engine at that point....putting the turbo on it makes it the same as a larger one....and you have to remember that you can always do the same to the larger engine, too.

Psst... 350Z, Eclipse GT V6, Etc...

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Have fun being a stupid street racer though. :thumbsdown:

I'm not a street racer, dumbass. But are you telling me that if someone pulls up beside you at a light in a car you might want to see if you can beat, and there are no cops around that you wouldn't at least race him up to the speed limit?

BTW, nowhere in my post did I recommend, condone, or even imply that I or anyone else actually street race, (e.g, where it's pre-arranged)

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: DaTT
I would never argue the handling of a North American car to an overseas car.

And I would never care. There isn't a dime's worth of difference in real-world handling in any comparable car to a Mustang, anyway.

Look at skid pad numbers all you want. Or slalom. I could care less.

When did you ever race someone that pulled up next to you at a stoplight through a slalom?

If you're going to race someone, it's going to be in a drag race. Or maybe you get into it at highway speeds occasionally.
But how many can honestly say that they've ever raced anyone on a twisting, turning mountain road?

That's right, either none or nearly none. And you never will.

So everyone keep arguing about which car handles better if a professional driver is behind the wheel.
And keep trying to read the license plate of the Mustang, Camaro, GTO or Vette that's busy leaving you in the dust from the stoplight.

Maybe at the next light you can tell the driver how Car and Driver had an article that said your car will handle better than his. Better talk fast, though.

Um, hate to break it to you but a car is more than just a missle you pilot down the road. There are these things called brakes and they were made because the roads we drive are full of twists and turns and stops. Going is only 1/3 of the equation. Personally, I prefer a car that can do all three well. Not just one.

YMMV.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: arcenite
I wouldn't like those results. That sucks for a V8.

It's not that bad, are you kidding?

that's 300 crank HP easily.. much more than a lot of other V8's out there.

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

Many import V6s do just under a hair of these numbers, and they're V6's.

Not normally aspirated, they don't.
And number of cylinders is mostly irrelevant....the cubic inches is all that matters. Forced induction is simply a way of making a small displacement engine act bigger.

It's no more impressive to take a 4 cylinder and turbo it to the max and make it have 500 hp, than it is to take a 454 big block and do the same normally aspirated.
You have to forget that the 4 cylinder is a small engine at that point....putting the turbo on it makes it the same as a larger one....and you have to remember that you can always do the same to the larger engine, too.

Some of the most powerful F1 cars ever to race were turbocharged 4 cylinder engines making over 1000hp. Please, do go on about how impressive 500hp is out of a 454CI V8 though.

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Have fun being a stupid street racer though. :thumbsdown:

I'm not a street racer, dumbass. But are you telling me that if someone pulls up beside you at a light in a car you might want to see if you can beat, and there are no cops around that you wouldn't at least race him up to the speed limit?

BTW, nowhere in my post did I recommend, condone, or even imply that I or anyone else actually street race, (e.g, where it's pre-arranged)

I apoligize for the street racing comment, but you are still very incorrect to assume that cornering is not important. While I doubt there are lots of people here that go to sanctioned club racing, solo2, or any track day for that matter (especially considering the way car threads go around here), there are literally hundreds of people that would show up at the event I linked to.
Yes, I used to get involved in "random challenges of speed" (This was before the street racing 'scene' lol), but since I have gotten older and now have a clean driving record I am just enjoying my $42 a month insurance premiums too much to take such a stupid risk to try to prove something.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: arcenite
I wouldn't like those results. That sucks for a V8.

It's not that bad, are you kidding?

that's 300 crank HP easily.. much more than a lot of other V8's out there.

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

Many import V6s do just under a hair of these numbers, and they're V6's.

Not normally aspirated, they don't.
And number of cylinders is mostly irrelevant....the cubic inches is all that matters. Forced induction is simply a way of making a small displacement engine act bigger.

It's no more impressive to take a 4 cylinder and turbo it to the max and make it have 500 hp, than it is to take a 454 big block and do the same normally aspirated.
You have to forget that the 4 cylinder is a small engine at that point....putting the turbo on it makes it the same as a larger one....and you have to remember that you can always do the same to the larger engine, too.

Psst... 350Z, Eclipse GT V6, Etc...

None of those are even close to 273hp at the wheels.

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: DaTT

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: CraigRT

a stock 4.7L Dakota will dyno in the 200 range.. it's a reasonably quick truck too.

well, aren't truck engine focus on torque than Horsepower?
Toyota's 4.7L on the LX470 and Land Cruiser has like 300hp, and the smaller 4.3L on the LS and SC has more hp.

The Mustang is an "affordable" car with a strong V8. Show me any other car that you can buy for the price of a new mustang with 300 HP.

GTO. But that's only if you want a faster car than a Mustang.

GTO starts at $32,995 (excellent price for a Grand Prix :roll: )

The GTO starts at $33k but comes loaded. If you fully load out a GT it'll be in the same range as well. Only you lose out on 100hp.

But gain SOOOOoooOOOoOOoOOo much in styling

Yes, you can drive a car that looks just like the 17 year old girl driving a 6-cyl Mustang down the block with a typical plain American interior.

But looks can be subjective, I like the GTO styling better than the Mustang. It just looks classier, and the interior is much nicer..

Are you talking about the GT or teh v6? And if by classy you mean like a gradmother's car then you would be right. However a clean mustand with the rally lights on just looks cool.

 

[ballmode]

Too many winks in people posts