Got out of PC Building/fixit myself this past year or so. I so don't miss it.

VirtualLarry

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YMMV.

Next PC of mine will be a pre-built. I'm currently on a gaming laptop, that I got on a fairly excellent deal ($699 at WM).

Not everyone is a backyard auto mechanic, why expect everyone to be a "PC mechanic".

Yes, I'll still know how to google Windows Update error codes.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Whatever works for you. If you remember, my last PC was a pre-built that I bought from Costco. It was OK...but just OK...it had its share of issues that I ended up having to fix.

This PC, I built.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Computers just aren't that fun for me anymore. My last couple have been dell refurbs. They do everything I want, and all that's required of me is installing a proper o/s.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Maybe I'll change my mind if my experiences with a pre-built are exceedingly bad.

My problems are also related to my age (50+) and my weight and lack of mobility (500lbs+).Plus, those damn little screws and jumpers...
Lemmee see...age 50? I think I had just built a Pentium 4 rig....which replaced a P3. I don't have THAT much of a weight problem...but mobility...between my two FUBAR'd knees and my back...I can relate...and I too hate those tiny fckn screws. (thank gawd for magnetized screwdrivers.)
 

Red Squirrel

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Every time I build a PC I tell myself next time I'm going prebuilt, but then I end up building anyway. The initial troubleshooting, dealing with potentially DOA or defective parts, or just something that has a compatibility or driver issue etc can be a pain. It usually works fine at first, boots up, I install the OS etc and it's fine, but then it's weeks or months later that I start to have some weird issue. But once everything is ironed out it's satisfying and my PCs tend to last for a decade or more before I decide to upgrade. I feel like I was building way more in the early 2000's than now actually. It's been a while since I built. I just keep my machines around way longer now, and I don't have as much disposable income as I did before.

Been itching to build something new but holding off for now. SFF boxes are super cheap on Ebay so I think my next build is going to be a cluster of prebuilts rather than a PC build. Been wanting to do a Proxmox or maybe even Ceph cluster for a while now, so think that will be my next big project as far as computer stuff goes.

My interests have always been more on the server side as well, and try to do as much computing server side while client is just a front end. Now days I could practically get away with a prebuilt for my main desktop, really. Especially since I run Linux now. I am overdue to build a new gaming machine though. I treat that more like a console, only turn it on if I want to game while my daily stuff is in Linux.
 

thestrangebrew1

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Dec 7, 2011
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My last two rigs have been laptops for gaming but also for photo editing. I hadn't built a pc since around 2010. But I did complete a build for my daughter two weekends ago. We had fun building it together and she loves playing minecraft and roblox on it vs. her Ipad/Macbook. When I was putting it together and fired it up, I started thinking to myself maybe it's time to build a rig for me. Something about gaming on a good size monitor is nice and I was feeling a little nostalgic. But I just bought my laptop about a month ago so that didn't last long lol
 
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dullard

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I went the opposite way. When I was young and had less money, a mid-range rig (not overclocked) for under $399 was impossible to build. You could easily make a crap Celeron for that price, but not a mid-range rig. But the old obese wallet site would routinely have discounts for pre-built rigs in that price range sometimes with a monitor tossed in. The parts alone would cost much more* than the pre-built OEM rigs--let alone if I wanted to put proper Windows on it. Now that I have the money and OEMs tend to release the latest CPUs months after launch, I've moved to building my own.

* The opposite was true for high end rigs or ultra-cheap but overclocked computers--that just wasn't what I was after. Someone going for one of those builds was better off building it themselves.
 

UNCjigga

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Dec 12, 2000
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I could be wrong, and I should caveat this by saying I live 150+ miles away from the nearest MicroCenter, but I think the DIY system build has just gotten too extreme and too expensive for the average non-gamer. When I got into it back in the mid to late 90s, DIY was definitely about maximizing performance/$ first. You could save a ton of money vs. the average Dell or Gateway build, never mind anything sold retail.

With the advent of 3D gaming, you had to go DIY because the average pre-built system didn’t have enough power, cooling or expansion room for the best GPUs. But I feel like over the last 10 years with the rise of content creators and esports, DIY is no longer about maximizing perf/$ and become its own aesthetic—almost an aspirational hobby. Now you select color coordinated components, RGB lighting effects, custom formed water pipes etc. and can easily spend $5-$10K on a build. With miniaturization and perf/$/watt now becoming the standard equation for non-gamers, you’re almost better off picking up a pre-built desktop or even a laptop or NUC for most computing needs.

That said, for god’s sakes, we need better iFixit repairability scores for most pre-built SFFs and laptops especially. Framework is a great start, but I’m hoping to see more widespread adoption of CAMM2 for user-upgradable RAM and better eGPU options/performance with a dedicated port/bus capable of at minimum 128gbps.
 

nakedfrog

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I got out of building and got by on gaming laptops for years, then built a system in 2017, then when upgrade time came last year, I went with a pre-built mostly because using my veteran status I was able to get one on sale with no sales tax cheaper than I could build it myself for. Still had to get a little involved because some RAM failed fairly quickly. Then it did it again, after I RMA'd the first stick. So I had to troubleshoot (well, probably I didn't HAVE to, but certainly easier than shipping the whole damn system back).
 
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FWIW, I've been ship-of-theseusing my own computer for about 25 years now. And my dad basically begged me to build him a system.

But honestly, I think there's a big difference between "I assembled my computer from parts" and "My hobby is building PCs."

Like, I have hobbies, and I spend a fair number of hours per week pursuing them. But that's the problem - no way I'd ever need to spend 10 hours a week worrying about which video card to buy when I only get one every 4-5 years. It's insufficient intellectual stimulation to constitute a hobby.

And I have a dog to play with.

Maybe VL needs a dog.
 
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I got out of building and got by on gaming laptops for years, then built a system in 2017, then when upgrade time came last year, I went with a pre-built mostly because using my veteran status I was able to get one on sale with no sales tax cheaper than I could build it myself for. Still had to get a little involved because some RAM failed fairly quickly. Then it did it again, after I RMA'd the first stick. So I had to troubleshoot (well, probably I didn't HAVE to, but certainly easier than shipping the whole damn system back).
If you have desktop computers with lots of discrete parts, being able to troubleshoot and replace faulted hardware is still a very useful skill. Warranties last a year, extended warranties last three, and a the average computer lasts seven or more.

So I'd put it up there with things like "doing basic car maintenance" or "repainting your bedroom" on the list of useful skills everyone should have if possible.
 
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nakedfrog

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If you have desktop computers with lots of discrete parts, being able to troubleshoot and replace faulted hardware is still a very useful skill. Warranties last a year, extended warranties last three, and a the average computer lasts seven or more.

So I'd put it up there with things like "doing basic car maintenance" or "repainting your bedroom" on the list of useful skills everyone should have if possible.
Yeah, after the second RAM stick failed I had begun to wonder if the mobo was flaky, or if the PSU was out of spec, because it just seemed so odd for another to fail that quickly, and I'm glad I possess the ability to figure it out--but experience has taught me that if your system is only being fucky sometimes, and in very weird ways, look at the RAM first, then PSU

I did find this result fairly amusing when I was testing Seemed pretty conclusive.
 

manly

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Jan 25, 2000
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I could be wrong, and I should caveat this by saying I live 150+ miles away from the nearest MicroCenter, but I think the DIY system build has just gotten too extreme and too expensive for the average non-gamer. When I got into it back in the mid to late 90s, DIY was definitely about maximizing performance/$ first. You could save a ton of money vs. the average Dell or Gateway build, never mind anything sold retail.

With the advent of 3D gaming, you had to go DIY because the average pre-built system didn’t have enough power, cooling or expansion room for the best GPUs. But I feel like over the last 10 years with the rise of content creators and esports, DIY is no longer about maximizing perf/$ and become its own aesthetic—almost an aspirational hobby. Now you select color coordinated components, RGB lighting effects, custom formed water pipes etc. and can easily spend $5-$10K on a build. With miniaturization and perf/$/watt now becoming the standard equation for non-gamers, you’re almost better off picking up a pre-built desktop or even a laptop or NUC for most computing needs.

That said, for god’s sakes, we need better iFixit repairability scores for most pre-built SFFs and laptops especially. Framework is a great start, but I’m hoping to see more widespread adoption of CAMM2 for user-upgradable RAM and better eGPU options/performance with a dedicated port/bus capable of at minimum 128gbps.
It's been ages since the average person could save money building their own PC. The big OEMs have too much purchasing power for you to beat them by buying discrete components at retail prices. Having said that, if you hunt deals or live close enough to Micro Center, DIY can still be a good deal.* The main advantage is that you get to hand-pick your parts, and don't have to settle for the OEM's often subpar offering (or big markups to get what you want). There are still a few gamer-oriented OEMs out there that will pre-build a rig with an ATX motherboard and PSU, although they do pad their profit margins a bit. CyberpowerPC comes to mind. Even Lenovo uses all standard components for their Legion gaming PCs IIRC.

* Usually you have to buy components at precisely the right time. If you just go to Amazon/Newegg and buy an entire list all at once, it's virtually impossible for you to save money. In fact, you're likely to spend more than a comparable pre-built PC. But again, the fun isn't exactly about saving money. It's about getting what you want, how you want it.


If you have desktop computers with lots of discrete parts, being able to troubleshoot and replace faulted hardware is still a very useful skill. Warranties last a year, extended warranties last three, and a the average computer lasts seven or more.

So I'd put it up there with things like "doing basic car maintenance" or "repainting your bedroom" on the list of useful skills everyone should have if possible.
The vast majority of people don't do any basic car maintenance anymore. Many people don't even change their own wiper blades, so forget about anything "under the hood" such as an oil change. To be able to troubleshoot a PC, you typically need access to spare parts. Unless you're a household with multiple desktop PCs in it, it doesn't make sense to have these parts lying around just so you can save money on repairs.

Furthermore, the PC industry is roughly 2/3 laptops vs desktops. I believe this includes all corporate desktops, so the percentage of desktop PCs in homes is rather small. For Macs, the ratio is closer to 4:1 in favor of MacBooks, and all those fruity portables are essentially non-repairable.

Many of us here can troubleshoot our own PCs, but a lot of that knowledge was acquired over a decade ago. It's just not that useful a skill going forward.
 

nakedfrog

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It's been ages since the average person could save money building their own PC. The big OEMs have too much purchasing power for you to beat them by buying discrete components at retail prices. Having said that, if you hunt deals or live close enough to Micro Center, DIY can still be a good deal.* The main advantage is that you get to hand-pick your parts, and don't have to settle for the OEM's often subpar offering (or big markups to get what you want). There are still a few gamer-oriented OEMs out there that will pre-build a rig with an ATX motherboard and PSU, although they do pad their profit margins a bit. CyberpowerPC comes to mind. Even Lenovo uses all standard components for their Legion gaming PCs IIRC.
CyberPowerPC is who I went with, in no small part due to being able to specify some of the components. Customer service didn't give me any trouble with my two RMAs, either.
 
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KLin

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I got out of it 15 years ago.

Bought a dell refurb precision SFF w/ I7-8700, 32 gigs of ram and a quadro P1000 for just under 285 bucks shipped a few months ago. Slapped in a 2 TB m.2 SSD I was using as an external. Works great.

Ok I take it back, like 14.5 years ago.



 
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The vast majority of people don't do any basic car maintenance anymore. Many people don't even change their own wiper blades, so forget about anything "under the hood" such as an oil change. To be able to troubleshoot a PC, you typically need access to spare parts. Unless you're a household with multiple desktop PCs in it, it doesn't make sense to have these parts lying around just so you can save money on repairs.

Furthermore, the PC industry is roughly 2/3 laptops vs desktops. I believe this includes all corporate desktops, so the percentage of desktop PCs in homes is rather small. For Macs, the ratio is closer to 4:1 in favor of MacBooks, and all those fruity portables are essentially non-repairable.

Many of us here can troubleshoot our own PCs, but a lot of that knowledge was acquired over a decade ago. It's just not that useful a skill going forward.
Yeah... I'm just one of those frugal middle aged men who fixes/repairs everything himself and grumbles about it.
 

nakedfrog

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I got out of it 15 years ago.

Bought a dell refurb precision SFF w/ I7-8700, 32 gigs of ram and a quadro P1000 for just under 285 bucks shipped a few months ago. Slapped in a 2 TB m.2 SSD I was using as an external. Works great.
How even can you game on a system without at least 3 RGB fans though, pleb?
 
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I got rid of several boxes full of stuff when we moved out of CA in 2012. Last year, while digging through one of the remaining boxes, I found this:

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My office includes a row of wall mounted wooden plaques containing an variety of late '90s computer equipment, as well as a couple more modern odds and ends. (An Intel Pentium 4 D820, a couple motherboards and their contemporary CPUs, etc.)

It's good wall-art.
 
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waffleironhead

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Its funny, i just built my own in maybe 14 years or so. 7700x system. Id been buying cheapish prebuilts since my last build which was an amd x4 640 system.
 
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