Gov. Schwarzenegger Declares State of Emergency Due to Budget Impasse

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I hate CA Republicans whose stupid f'ing toothless redneck constituents suck down more state resources than their Democratic counterparts. Not to mention the usual idiotic social conservative BS that seems to originate from the more inland areas of the state. :roll:

What kind of "state resources" are you referring to, elitist?

Ask and ye shall receive, redneck.

As just one example, Merced County has a greater percentage of their constituents depend on health and welfare programs than anywhere else in California. One in five Merced County adults are out of work, home foreclosures run rampant and anti-poverty programs are stretched to the limit. The county welfare chief calls it California's Appalachia.

One in 12 residents of Merced County have tapped CalWorks, the state's welfare-to-work effort, double the per-capita use in Los Angeles County and five times the percentage in San Francisco.

Other rural parts of California face the same situation, from the quiet timberlands of the north to the agricultural heartland of the San Joaquin Valley, where high per-capita use of public health and welfare coexists with small-government GOP representation.

Although the number of participants in anti-poverty programs is far larger in urban cities, rural enclaves consistently have the greatest per-capita need.

Roughly 1 in 20 people receive food stamps in big coastal counties such as Los Angeles. The rate is doubled in agrarian counties, such as Merced.

Although about 4% of the people in Los Angeles County fall back on CalWorks to help land a job, more than 8% use the program in the San Joaquin Valley counties of Tulare, Fresno and Merced, which routinely send GOP lawmakers to Sacramento.

http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...9jun13,0,5016357.story

You Californians are so stupid. You pay people to wallow in sloth and poverty, and then you're shocked and upset when they do!

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: dyna
CA needs to claim imminent domain on some of their beach front land and since there not using their parks they can sell them both to TX to raise funds.

I'd support war in that case. We'd win.

CA v. TX in a war? And you think CA would win? :laugh: As Dave Barry once quipped, Texas boasts the world's largest fleet of armed pickups. CA would have NO chance.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Mursilis
I just want to thank California for serving as a cautionary tale for the rest of the 49. We do enjoy watching you all wallow in your self-created disaster. What's that German word for that?

I believe the word is Schwarzenegger.

Well done.

Indeed.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Mursilis
I just want to thank California for serving as a cautionary tale for the rest of the 49. We do enjoy watching you all wallow in your self-created disaster. What's that German word for that?

I believe the word is Schwarzenegger.

Well done.

Indeed.

I liked it.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Craig234

Well, people from around the world have increasingly hated Americans for attitudes like yours, so I guess that's worse.

Since when should I or any American care about what foreigners think of our domestic politics?

Since you elected an Austrian movie star

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
I think California should take the structure of the most fiscallly sound state and adopt it. Cut whatever programs that state doesn't have, or trim them down to that level. It's not the end of the world; THAT state survives with those programs. Raise taxes to the level that state has them. It's not the end of the world; THAT state survives with those taxes.

After you've gotten to that point live with it until you're out of the hole and have a reserve of some level. THEN start messing with the system again, always requiring that there is a method to pay for the programs you vote in.

I just don't know what state is the most fiscally responsible; does anyone else? Could anyone provide a line by line delta between that state and California, both for taxes and spending?

Problem is that state is probably a shithole... if that state happens to be Alabama where I'm currently forced to reside it definitely is a shithole.

 

[Fingolfin269]

The best part of this thread is when the redneck bashing began. I'm surprised it took so long.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Tell me these union fvcks aren't overpaid.

As soon as you admit your inland redneck brethren suck down more state services per-capita than the rest of the state, all the while complaining like little bitches about "big gov't."

 

[lupi]

with the bastion of the progressive faith crumbling, we definitely need to look at moving more of their programs onto Washington.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Do you ever spout anything but Republican talking-points? Union bad. Grunt. :roll:

Put up or shut up:

http://www.sacbee.com/editorials/story/1305330.html

If California lawmakers needed one more reason not to give pay raises to the state's 31,000 prison guards, a newly released salary survey should provide it. In the state's first survey that compares correctional officer pay rates in California with the pay rates of their counterparts around the country, California prison guards came out on top by huge margins.

California's correctional officers earn a maximum base salary of $73,728. According to the newly released survey, that's 39 percent more than the average base pay for prison guards in 10 other states and the federal government. When benefits including retirement and medical insurance are included, California's guards earn 29 percent more than the median earned by guards in the other states and the federal government.

The survey understates the disproportionate pay of California prison guards because it does not include overtime. Prison guards in California take home $16,000 in overtime on average every year. In 2006, 1,423 guards collected more than $50,000 in overtime; 36 earned more than $100,000.

Given those pay rates, it's hardly surprising that 130,000 people apply to become California prison guards every year.

At a time California is struggling to pay its bills, the guards union is demanding more pay raises. They have threatened to recall the governor if they don't get what they want. It's time for lawmakers to stand up to the guards. They deserve to be well paid, and they already are. This study should settle that.

Tell me these union fvcks aren't overpaid.

If that doesn't make you cry, some of the senior guards are making about $130,000 to $150,000 per year with overtime. Also, primary care docs in prison are STARTING at $275,000 per year, while private sector primary care starts around $140K here in CA. AND malpractice insurance is also paid for by the state. As a doc I'd love those wages, but the majority liberal posters here want us to work for minimum wage.

 

[PingSpike]

When are they going to start mailing out the Kalibucks for payment instead? I think there should have a picture of Arnold's gap toothed face right in the center...maybe a crudely drawn 7 legged spider.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
When are they going to start mailing out the Kalibucks for payment instead? I think there should have a picture of Arnold's gap toothed face right in the center...maybe a crudely drawn 7 legged spider.

I believe it starts today. I heard the banks will take the IOUs too.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Was it the per-capita figures that threw you? :roll:

Figures?!? Oh, you mean where they take ONE social services program out of more than a dozen in ONE county out of 58 and use that as a basis for a statement like: "Although the number of participants in anti-poverty programs is far larger in urban cities, rural enclaves consistently have the greatest per-capita need."

If you want me to list the logical/statistical/methodological flaws, let's start with these:
1. As stated above, the quoted sample size is statistically insignificant. ~1:754 is proof of nothing. And when they make a definitive statement (quoted above) there is ZERO proof cited.
2. The article uses 'people on the program' as their "per capita" metric. It makes absolutely no mention of actual dollars used. Knowing that 1:12 people in Merced use a program while 1:24 people in LA use the same program is meaningless in this context if the average person in LA consumes $500 in resources and only $100 in Merced. Those numbers were conveniently omitted from the article and are paramount to your claim that the "rednecks" suck up all of the resources.
3. Since your original statement was "I hate CA Republicans whose stupid f'ing toothless redneck constituents suck down more state resources than their Democratic counterparts." it would not be untoward to mention that Red counties MAY use more resources per capita, but Blue counties likely use more resources absolutely, which indicates that the "Democratic counterparts" DO use more resources.
4. The counties the "rednecks" live in tend to be agrarian and migratory. CA has a rich history of providing benefits to people with little or no documentation. Any time you have a migrant population with easy access to resources, you have to be very careful to be sure that you don't count the same people multiple times as they move. Since the figures weren't quoted with a source and methodology, I do not concede that they are accurate.
5. The absolute largest fallacy here is in believing that the people who cast the votes are the ones who use the services. Face it, the inner-city and agrarian poor like Hispanics and blacks are overwhelmingly more likely to vote Democratic. Who's most likely to use social service programs? The inner-city and agrarian poor. The article makes ZERO effort to reconcile that fact. For all we know, Merced county might be 55% white and 45% Hispanic. If every white person is Republican and every Hispanic is Democratic, the county will be Red. But we also know that the poor migrant worker population is almost entirely Hispanic. So a large portion of Merced's minority population might be on assistance programs but none of them would be the "rednecks" as you so eloquently put it. We have no way of knowing, because the article is full of shitty reporting passed of as 'fact'.

THAT'S why the article is BS and so is your reliance upon it.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: PingSpike
When are they going to start mailing out the Kalibucks for payment instead? I think there should have a picture of Arnold's gap toothed face right in the center...maybe a crudely drawn 7 legged spider.

I believe it starts today. I heard the banks will take the IOUs too.

Seriously?!? I thought the gov't had cleaned out all the idiots from the banks!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: PingSpike
When are they going to start mailing out the Kalibucks for payment instead? I think there should have a picture of Arnold's gap toothed face right in the center...maybe a crudely drawn 7 legged spider.

I believe it starts today. I heard the banks will take the IOUs too.

Seriously?!? I thought the gov't had cleaned out all the idiots from the banks!

I heard the banks will take them because the state will repay them with interest. See? Monopoly money works... if there's more money backing it =)

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: dyna
CA needs to claim imminent domain on some of their beach front land and since there not using their parks they can sell them both to TX to raise funds.

I'd support war in that case. We'd win.

CA v. TX in a war? And you think CA would win? :laugh: As Dave Barry once quipped, Texas boasts the world's largest fleet of armed pickups. CA would have NO chance.

Not to mention 45% of the republican Californians would cross over to TX.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: PingSpike
When are they going to start mailing out the Kalibucks for payment instead? I think there should have a picture of Arnold's gap toothed face right in the center...maybe a crudely drawn 7 legged spider.

I believe it starts today. I heard the banks will take the IOUs too.

Seriously?!? I thought the gov't had cleaned out all the idiots from the banks!

I heard the banks will take them because the state will repay them with interest. See? Monopoly money works... if there's more money backing it =)

The same state which is having to issue them in the first place? Better be a heck of a rate of interest for me to accept those . . .

 

[brencat]

New Jersey and other similar states who find it politically difficult to make the painful cuts in services and entitlements provided during the boom times will soon be doing the California dance as well. Citizens here and in CA and elsewhere simply can't be asked to pay more when unemployment is sky high and household budgets are stretched to the limit. It's simply amazing to me how govt in general can't cut back when everyone else has to. And I don't want to hear about how people want services. Too bad -- the state is broke. Learn to do without, or at a minimum with 20 - 30% less. But no politician has the guts to say it that way and demand the cuts to balance the budgets.

 

[dyna]

Seems like California is holding their breathe and waiting for federal assistance. If the feds have to get involved, which I think they will. There should be a mass firing of all California politicians at the state level, consultants from TX or other successful states should come in and clean up the mess. Federal assistance to California should be treated as a state bankruptcy that includes a special re-election for all state congressional seats.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: dyna
Seems like California is holding their breathe and waiting for federal assistance. If the feds have to get involved, which I think they will. There should be a mass firing of all California politicians at the state level, consultants from TX or other successful states should come in and clean up the mess. Federal assistance to California should be treated as a state bankruptcy that includes a special re-election for all state congressional seats.

Texas ? They're the ones that ripped California off for billions. The only reason Texas is solvent is because of oil. Fuck Texas.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: dyna
Seems like California is holding their breathe and waiting for federal assistance. If the feds have to get involved, which I think they will. There should be a mass firing of all California politicians at the state level, consultants from TX or other successful states should come in and clean up the mess. Federal assistance to California should be treated as a state bankruptcy that includes a special re-election for all state congressional seats.

Texas ? They're the ones that ripped California off for billions. The only reason Texas is solvent is because of oil. Fuck Texas.

Please do not move away from California... we need people like you to be contained so we know who you are and so we can conveniently ignore you God forbid if you move to texas.. Trust me you wouldn't like it Texas is a very bad place.. Stay in California!!! ;-)

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: dyna
Seems like California is holding their breathe and waiting for federal assistance. If the feds have to get involved, which I think they will. There should be a mass firing of all California politicians at the state level, consultants from TX or other successful states should come in and clean up the mess. Federal assistance to California should be treated as a state bankruptcy that includes a special re-election for all state congressional seats.

Texas ? They're the ones that ripped California off for billions. The only reason Texas is solvent is because of oil. Fuck Texas.

Please do not move away from California... we need people like you to be contained so we know who you are and so we can conveniently ignore you God forbid if you move to texas.. Trust me you wouldn't like it Texas is a very bad place.. Stay in California!!! ;-)

I promise I won't move to Texas, if you promise not to send us any more presidents.
BTW its 72 degrees here, with an expected high of 79.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: dyna
Seems like California is holding their breathe and waiting for federal assistance. If the feds have to get involved, which I think they will. There should be a mass firing of all California politicians at the state level, consultants from TX or other successful states should come in and clean up the mess. Federal assistance to California should be treated as a state bankruptcy that includes a special re-election for all state congressional seats.

Texas ? They're the ones that ripped California off for billions. The only reason Texas is solvent is because of oil. Fuck Texas.

Please do not move away from California... we need people like you to be contained so we know who you are and so we can conveniently ignore you God forbid if you move to texas.. Trust me you wouldn't like it Texas is a very bad place.. Stay in California!!! ;-)

I promise I won't move to Texas, if you promise not to send us any more presidents.
BTW its 72 degrees here, with an expected high of 79.

You still have earthquakes.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: dyna
Seems like California is holding their breathe and waiting for federal assistance. If the feds have to get involved, which I think they will. There should be a mass firing of all California politicians at the state level, consultants from TX or other successful states should come in and clean up the mess. Federal assistance to California should be treated as a state bankruptcy that includes a special re-election for all state congressional seats.

Texas ? They're the ones that ripped California off for billions. The only reason Texas is solvent is because of oil. Fuck Texas.

Please do not move away from California... we need people like you to be contained so we know who you are and so we can conveniently ignore you God forbid if you move to texas.. Trust me you wouldn't like it Texas is a very bad place.. Stay in California!!! ;-)

I promise I won't move to Texas, if you promise not to send us any more presidents.
BTW its 72 degrees here, with an expected high of 79.

You still have earthquakes.

That happen like once every lifetime. Maybe 2 in my lifetime. The last big one was 1989 for me. And the one before that? 1906? If you were in SoCal all you had was 1994. Big deal.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: dyna
Seems like California is holding their breathe and waiting for federal assistance. If the feds have to get involved, which I think they will. There should be a mass firing of all California politicians at the state level, consultants from TX or other successful states should come in and clean up the mess. Federal assistance to California should be treated as a state bankruptcy that includes a special re-election for all state congressional seats.

Texas ? They're the ones that ripped California off for billions. The only reason Texas is solvent is because of oil. Fuck Texas.

Please do not move away from California... we need people like you to be contained so we know who you are and so we can conveniently ignore you God forbid if you move to texas.. Trust me you wouldn't like it Texas is a very bad place.. Stay in California!!! ;-)

I promise I won't move to Texas, if you promise not to send us any more presidents.
BTW its 72 degrees here, with an expected high of 79.

You still have earthquakes.

Enjoy your hurricaine.