Government Intervenes with naming of child...WTF?

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
Do you think that if 1 mexican family moved into a society of 1000 icelandic families that this mexican family will still be considered mexican after 2 generations?

They could be considered Icelandic of Mexican descent and heritage. If they want to be known like this, then there is nothing wrong. Stop trying to exterminate them. Let them have the choice.

After all that mexican family has lets say 2 kids and I doubt they will be procreating by themselves so they have an icelandic mate and end up with 4 kids who will have one mexican parent and once icelandic one. The kids go ofcorse to icelandic schools and have icelandic friends. Then it goes on that a kid with one mexican grand parent and three icelandic grand parents will probably not come even close to think of himself as a mexican first and an icelander second.
This happens no matter what you do.

That's nice. How about if they only marry people of Mexican descent? Oops, too bad!

And please try to understand that the gun ownership talk was not there to make it seem equal only to realy try to make you understand how different cultures react to other cultures, and when you can accept that you realy are tolerant to other cultures and dont discriminate against them anymore. Truly hope you can learn that someday.

Your culture is not based on stripping people of their culture and heritage.

I truly hope that you can understand that cultures can co-exist with each other. If your neighbor is named Jose, he is not planning on killing you. He is not planning on taking over Iceland.

I truly hope that you can understand that it is not ok to be a racist.

They could ofcorse look at themselves of being of a Mexican descent and heritage but the outside influence is too great to make that possible in most cases. Like I said the choice is still theirs but the possibility of that happening is extremely remote, I know, I live here.

If these kids with one mexican parent and one icelandic one or grandparents then they would have to marry their relative and its forbidden here (up to 4-5 generations I think, not sure) and I doubt its allowed in the US. Sure there might be more mexican families but they will always be greatly outnumbered by icelandic families.

Cultures can coexist ofcorse but like I said before the fact is that they blend no matter what you do, its like pooring two colors of paint in the same bucket.

And another example, my uncle married a danish woman, they lived here most of their lives, had 3 kids and those 3 kids all consider themselves to be Icelandic but with added danish culture. Their kids all consider themselves to be icelandic but the danish culture is not much of a part of them. Even one of the families are probably more US than danish now since they lived in the US for many years before moving back. Which is another example on how cultures somehow have the tendency to rub on to people no matter what you do.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: biostud666
Here's a crazy thought maybe you should try understand that doing things different from the US style isn't necesarily racism, facism or communism.

Who said that policies that are different from the US are racist? They aren't.

However a racist policy is racist in its very nature.

I gave a very good example: a "white" dane tried to call her son Christophpher which was denied because of the stupid spelling, and she could rename her child with a proper spelling. Now, the law is equal to all "races" and if you'd do me the favor to browse through the list I put up, you will find lot of Muslim names. So the law is not to prevent cultures from keeping their roots, but from keeping people from spelling the names stupid and call ther children different brand names. I can't really se why something that's no problem is equalized to nazism. Theoretically it might be a problem, but in real life it isn't. It might be in US but is not over here.

NEWSFLASH: I'm talking about ICELAND and the racist policies that Czar openly supports.

how thick are you, its the same situation here

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Either the law is part of protecting the Iceland culture and names are part of the culture or names are not part of the culture which would mean that it is not racist.

This logic makes no sense.

How about the law is racist and meant to protect the culture through such extreme racist maneuvers that are not needed as the culture will live on with Jose living next door?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
how thick are you, its the same situation here

How racist are you? Oh wait, very.

Well now...now that you have expressed your openly racist colors you run back. Too late, Czar, we all read what you said.

You said that Iceland bans many foreign names and forces people to have Icelandic names. You said you were in support of it.

That is not the same thing as biostud described. However, racism is preventing you from seeing the whole picture. Biostud isn't really supporting racism - you are.

 

[imported_Smithy]

Either the law is part of protecting the Iceland culture and names are part of the culture or names are not part of the culture which would mean that it is not racist.

I thought we established names, per Czar, are part of culture. In addition Czar made the contradicting point that immigrants maintain their culture by thier last name and Icelandic people must chose a state authorized name to preserve Icelandic culture. Czar must be a benighted buffoon because his arguement is baseless. I'm not saying its racist but for the state to force you to not name a child anything is insane.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Either the law is part of protecting the Iceland culture and names are part of the culture or names are not part of the culture which would mean that it is not racist.

This logic makes no sense.

How about the law is racist and meant to protect the culture through such extreme racist maneuvers that are not needed as the culture will live on with Jose living next door?

So you agree that the law is there to protect the culture?

Language is part of the culture, names are very much intwined with the language therefore it could be said that this law is protecting the language, hence the culture.

Besides Czar has said that Jose would most likely NOT end up on that list of forbidden names so Jose won't have a problem living next door.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
I dont think your reading skills are working, I have said Jose would most likely not end up on this list.

It better not. However, you have also stated your support of Jose having to change his name, just like your Italian friend.

It is undeniable that you have shown open support for racist tactics.

Please just read the lists for yourself. The names are in most cases only a different spelling of an allowed name, in some cases the scandinavian name Sven is just an version of the Icelandic name Sveinn, other examples John is just a english version of the name Jón or the other way around, doesnt matter.

Oh how nice...they still have to change their names! What about those evil Asians, Indians, Arabs, etc? Well I guess they would have to bleach their skin and hair before coming, huh?

How brainwashed are you?

and your reading skills are still up to date, in that post where I wrote about Gustavo I said that the laws were changed years ago so it does not apply anymore now does it?

I see you realy dont understand how languages and cultures play into this. This is so much like when people argued with me over the gun issue years ago, I just wouldnt budge and just couldnt understand their side of the story, well not untill much later.

So here is some more information from your one and only source of information about this subject you have ever had but still consider yourself and expert on this matter. In my old school there were alot of kids who had immigrated from asia there, all of them still were kalled by their normal orignal names and these are names you dont see on the list because frankly it hasnt realy been tested.

And so you get a better understanding of iceland and its immigrant background. It wasnt untill maybe 20-40 years ago that immigrants started to show up in enough numbers for people to even notice.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
They could ofcorse look at themselves of being of a Mexican descent and heritage but the outside influence is too great to make that possible in most cases. Like I said the choice is still theirs but the possibility of that happening is extremely remote, I know, I live here.

How would you know this? Oh wait, you don't. The possibility of someone of Mexican descent identifying their descent and heritage as Mexican is pretty strong.

If these kids with one mexican parent and one icelandic one or grandparents then they would have to marry their relative and its forbidden here (up to 4-5 generations I think, not sure) and I doubt its allowed in the US. Sure there might be more mexican families but they will always be greatly outnumbered by icelandic families.

And there will still be the case of someone from pure Mexican descent.

This does not matter. If there was 1 or 2 or 10,000 cases it doesn't matter. It is racist if it impacts 1 or a million.

Cultures can coexist ofcorse but like I said before the fact is that they blend no matter what you do, its like pooring two colors of paint in the same bucket.

So then why strip people of part of their culture? Why not let them live with it?

You need to get your argument together.

And another example, my uncle married a danish woman, they lived here most of their lives, had 3 kids and those 3 kids all consider themselves to be Icelandic but with added danish culture. Their kids all consider themselves to be icelandic but the danish culture is not much of a part of them. Even one of the families are probably more US than danish now since they lived in the US for many years before moving back. Which is another example on how cultures somehow have the tendency to rub on to people no matter what you do.

And that is not the same for all cases.

What if two immigrants come to Iceland and marry there. Whoops, got to be racist against them, right?

 

[Zebo]

Forget names, All you have to do is look at these countries Immigration policy to see racism. Most won't even let U be a citizen after 12-20 years living there..then to get in you need about 500K in the bank, right there excludes 99.9% of third world peoples (which just happen to be differnet colour, coinensidence don't think so). Then it's still a very "discresionary policy" up to the immigration officers even if you marry a ICE girl. Instead of our system of means testing.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
So you agree that the law is there to protect the culture?

Language is part of the culture, names are very much intwined with the language therefore it could be said that this law is protecting the language, hence the culture.

Besides Czar has said that Jose would most likely NOT end up on that list of forbidden names so Jose won't have a problem living next door.

I'm saying that it's a racist and not needed law that is under the disguise of protecting culture.

You don't understand the problem. Czar has openly supported this racist tactic and said it existed. Now he has backtracked and trying to run away from what he has plainly stated.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
how thick are you, its the same situation here

How racist are you? Oh wait, very.

Well now...now that you have expressed your openly racist colors you run back. Too late, Czar, we all read what you said.

You said that Iceland bans many foreign names and forces people to have Icelandic names. You said you were in support of it.

That is not the same thing as biostud described. However, racism is preventing you from seeing the whole picture. Biostud isn't really supporting racism - you are.

http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...fn=on&Samthykkt=no
this is the complete list of forbidden names, not alot now is there, at most there are about 10-15 really foreign names there, now if you take a look at the allowed list of only boys names, the other list is for boys and girls
http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...r=on&Samthykkt=yes
compare the numbers of foreign names in the allowed list and in the forbidden list, what does that tell you?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
how thick are you, its the same situation here

How racist are you? Oh wait, very.

Well now...now that you have expressed your openly racist colors you run back. Too late, Czar, we all read what you said.

You said that Iceland bans many foreign names and forces people to have Icelandic names. You said you were in support of it.

That is not the same thing as biostud described. However, racism is preventing you from seeing the whole picture. Biostud isn't really supporting racism - you are.

http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...fn=on&Samthykkt=no
this is the complete list of forbidden names, not alot now is there, at most there are about 10-15 really foreign names there, now if you take a look at the allowed list of only boys names, the other list is for boys and girls
http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...r=on&Samthykkt=yes
compare the numbers of foreign names in the allowed list and in the forbidden list, what does that tell you?

You just don't get it. My entire argument is based on the fact that you support a law that forces people to give their children Icelandic names. You were openly supportive of a racist law. There is no denying this.

What does that tell me? It tells me that you are angry that there are foreign names on the allowed list.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Forget names, All you have to do is look at these countries Immigration policy to see racism. Most won't even let U be a citizen after 12-20 years living there..then to get in you need about 500K in the bank, right there excludes 99.9% of third world peoples (which just happen to be differnet colour, coinensidence don't think so). Then it's still a very "discresionary policy" up to the immigration officers even if you marry a ICE girl. Instead of our system of means testing.

Wow, do you have any links about some of this stuff?

 

[Klixxer]

I know where this thread is heading, i am out.

See you around.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Smithy

Either the law is part of protecting the Iceland culture and names are part of the culture or names are not part of the culture which would mean that it is not racist.

I thought we established names, per Czar, are part of culture. In addition Czar made the contradicting point that immigrants maintain their culture by thier last name and Icelandic people must chose a state authorized name to preserve Icelandic culture. Czar must be a benighted buffoon because his arguement is baseless. I'm not saying its racist but for the state to force you to not name a child anything is insane.

Naming in Iceland and in most scandinavia is different, we generaly dont have a family name like many other countries have but instead my last name is my fathers first name, when I have a kid his last name will be my first name. But regardless of that for example Jose here has his last name Cartez or something and he moves here with his wife, both get an icelandic citizenship. They end up having a kid, they want to call him Jose as well, they apply to have the name accepted. 99% change it will be accepted but in the off change it wouldnt be accepted they decide they will call him Jósef which just happens to be the icelandic version of the name Jose. His full name would be Jósef Cartez. He then meets an Icelandic girl, they hook up, have a kid and decide to kall him Jón for example. His full name would be if he wanted Jón Jósefson Cartez.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Forget names, All you have to do is look at these countries Immigration policy to see racism. Most won't even let U be a citizen after 12-20 years living there..then to get in you need about 500K in the bank, right there excludes 99.9% of third world peoples (which just happen to be differnet colour, coinensidence don't think so). Then it's still a very "discresionary policy" up to the immigration officers even if you marry a ICE girl. Instead of our system of means testing.

Not entirely of to bed yet. While you information are exaggerated, I'm glad that you choose something else to focus on. I'm defiantely not denying that we have laws that discriminate and we are not very good at integrating foreigners to our soceity. The name law is just not one of them. But I think the other issues should have a thread for themself. I just don't think we shall mix different problems together.

 

[imported_Smithy]

http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...fn=on&Samthykkt=no
this is the complete list of forbidden names, not alot now is there, at most there are about 10-15 really foreign names there, now if you take a look at the allowed list of only boys names, the other list is for boys and girls
http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...r=on&Samthykkt=yes
compare the numbers of foreign names in the allowed list and in the forbidden list, what does that tell you?

It tells me that you have a political rally to get to. To say that its okay to kill 13 million people becasue the rest of Europe need of their herritage preserved isnt right either.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Smithy

http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...fn=on&Samthykkt=no
this is the complete list of forbidden names, not alot now is there, at most there are about 10-15 really foreign names there, now if you take a look at the allowed list of only boys names, the other list is for boys and girls
http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...r=on&Samthykkt=yes
compare the numbers of foreign names in the allowed list and in the forbidden list, what does that tell you?

It tells me that you have a political rally to get to. To say that its okay to kill 13 million people becasue the rest need their herritage preserved isnt right either.

Why are you against Czar's culture? If he wants to kill 13 million people so that Jose can't move in, then it's alright.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Smithy

Either the law is part of protecting the Iceland culture and names are part of the culture or names are not part of the culture which would mean that it is not racist.

I thought we established names, per Czar, are part of culture. In addition Czar made the contradicting point that immigrants maintain their culture by thier last name and Icelandic people must chose a state authorized name to preserve Icelandic culture. Czar must be a benighted buffoon because his arguement is baseless. I'm not saying its racist but for the state to force you to not name a child anything is insane.

Naming in Iceland and in most scandinavia is different, we generaly dont have a family name like many other countries have but instead my last name is my fathers first name, when I have a kid his last name will be my first name. But regardless of that for example Jose here has his last name Cartez or something and he moves here with his wife, both get an icelandic citizenship. They end up having a kid, they want to call him Jose as well, they apply to have the name accepted. 99% change it will be accepted but in the off change it wouldnt be accepted they decide they will call him Jósef which just happens to be the icelandic version of the name Jose. His full name would be Jósef Cartez. He then meets an Icelandic girl, they hook up, have a kid and decide to kall him Jón for example. His full name would be if he wanted Jón Jósefson Cartez.

how far can you back-pedal?!

 

[imported_Smithy]

bump

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
How would you know this? Oh wait, you don't. The possibility of someone of Mexican descent identifying their descent and heritage as Mexican is pretty strong.

Lets go through another example, you move to Japan, have a kid with a Japanese woman, live happily ever after and all that. That kid goes through the japanese school system and since US immigrants are not easily available he will have a japanese gf/bf and they will later move to a house somewhere in Tokyo have a few kids and do you think they will think of themselves as being purely american?

People everywhere adapt to their surroundings in most cases, that is a fact. In the off cases that they dont adapt they dont feel like this is their home and move to someplace else better suited for them because after all people are always looking for happiniess and oh so few can do that without human contact.

"And there will still be the case of someone from pure Mexican descent.

This does not matter. If there was 1 or 2 or 10,000 cases it doesn't matter. It is racist if it impacts 1 or a million. "

If you are from a pure mexican decent it doesnt then that must mean that your parents moved here maybe 30 years ago. It doesnt go much further than that here and laws usualy reflect the current situation. 30 years ago becoming a citizen required you to change your name but as soon as the situation developed and become an actual issue for alot of people they were changed, in another 10, 20, 30 years they will have changed again.


"So then why strip people of part of their culture? Why not let them live with it?"
Like I have said, what two or three times now. There are plenty of foreign names on the list and they are in most cases accepted. The rejected names are usualy a different version of a valid name.

"And that is not the same for all cases.

What if two immigrants come to Iceland and marry there. Whoops, got to be racist against them, right?"
What about it?, they have a kid, he lives in an icelandic society absorbes the icelandic culture, raised by his parents from a different culture. He will beocme a mix no matter what you do.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
how thick are you, its the same situation here

How racist are you? Oh wait, very.

Well now...now that you have expressed your openly racist colors you run back. Too late, Czar, we all read what you said.

You said that Iceland bans many foreign names and forces people to have Icelandic names. You said you were in support of it.

That is not the same thing as biostud described. However, racism is preventing you from seeing the whole picture. Biostud isn't really supporting racism - you are.

http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...fn=on&Samthykkt=no
this is the complete list of forbidden names, not alot now is there, at most there are about 10-15 really foreign names there, now if you take a look at the allowed list of only boys names, the other list is for boys and girls
http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...r=on&Samthykkt=yes
compare the numbers of foreign names in the allowed list and in the forbidden list, what does that tell you?

You just don't get it. My entire argument is based on the fact that you support a law that forces people to give their children Icelandic names. You were openly supportive of a racist law. There is no denying this.

What does that tell me? It tells me that you are angry that there are foreign names on the allowed list.

And you dont get it that this is a cultural difference here. The laws say that if the name you want is not on the list apply for it, in most cases it is accepted. And take a look at the list again, see the foreign names there? yes there are alot of them. Icelandic names so to speak are the list of accepted names.

And how on earth do you think I am angry because there are foreign names on the list?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Smithy

Either the law is part of protecting the Iceland culture and names are part of the culture or names are not part of the culture which would mean that it is not racist.

I thought we established names, per Czar, are part of culture. In addition Czar made the contradicting point that immigrants maintain their culture by thier last name and Icelandic people must chose a state authorized name to preserve Icelandic culture. Czar must be a benighted buffoon because his arguement is baseless. I'm not saying its racist but for the state to force you to not name a child anything is insane.

Naming in Iceland and in most scandinavia is different, we generaly dont have a family name like many other countries have but instead my last name is my fathers first name, when I have a kid his last name will be my first name. But regardless of that for example Jose here has his last name Cartez or something and he moves here with his wife, both get an icelandic citizenship. They end up having a kid, they want to call him Jose as well, they apply to have the name accepted. 99% change it will be accepted but in the off change it wouldnt be accepted they decide they will call him Jósef which just happens to be the icelandic version of the name Jose. His full name would be Jósef Cartez. He then meets an Icelandic girl, they hook up, have a kid and decide to kall him Jón for example. His full name would be if he wanted Jón Jósefson Cartez.

how far can you back-pedal?!

only that so many here judged in the first few posts without knowing the full story, people are so willing to jump to a conclusion with as little efford as possible

but now im going to bed

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
Lets go through another example, you move to Japan, have a kid with a Japanese woman, live happily ever after and all that. That kid goes through the japanese school system and since US immigrants are not easily available he will have a japanese gf/bf and they will later move to a house somewhere in Tokyo have a few kids and do you think they will think of themselves as being purely american?

They may or may not think themselves to be of American descent and heritage. However, this has nothing to do with your wanting to eliminate people's heritage and culture.

People everywhere adapt to their surroundings in most cases, that is a fact. In the off cases that they dont adapt they dont feel like this is their home and move to someplace else better suited for them because after all people are always looking for happiniess and oh so few can do that without human contact.

The problem is that for you 'adapt' means that the perosn has to be exactly like you.

In addition, not all people that feel like are not adapting move away.

If you are from a pure mexican decent it doesnt then that must mean that your parents moved here maybe 30 years ago. It doesnt go much further than that here and laws usualy reflect the current situation. 30 years ago becoming a citizen required you to change your name but as soon as the situation developed and become an actual issue for alot of people they were changed, in another 10, 20, 30 years they will have changed again.

No. If you are from pure Mexican descent it can mean that your parents have been there for longer. We can even project this into the future.

What about it?, they have a kid, he lives in an icelandic society absorbes the icelandic culture, raised by his parents from a different culture. He will beocme a mix no matter what you do.

Yes, so there's no point in trying to eliminate part of his culture and heritage.

Why are you talking about this anyways? It has almost no relevance to your support of racist tactics and beliefs.

BOO! Oops, sorry. You probably thought there was a scary immigrant behind you.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Czar

And you dont get it that this is a cultural difference here. The laws say that if the name you want is not on the list apply for it, in most cases it is accepted. And take a look at the list again, see the foreign names there? yes there are alot of them. Icelandic names so to speak are the list of accepted names.

And how on earth do you think I am angry because there are foreign names on the list?

Hmm....

But anyways. If you are an icelandic citizen you are that first and naming your kid with an icelandic name shouldnt be so out of the question?

the US is based around Immigration, Europe and most other countries are not, huge different cultural background that comes into play on what is acceptable and what is not

It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.

The law is part of my culture, highly valuing the Icelandic language is a part of my culture. What you are basicly saying that my culture of trying to salvage my language is offensive to you.

not ok to you maybe but ok to me
that is a cultural difference