Government Intervenes with naming of child...WTF?

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: classy

People naming their kids after seasons and colors are not uncommon. Just like people name their children after all kinds of things. And you probably come a typical caucasian background where any name from a different culture might seem odd. But if you can't see the silliness in naming a child Superman, well to each is own I guess. Why not name him The Hulk, Spiderman, Flash, Batman, The Atom, Green Lantern, or how about, here's a good one, Sub Zero. :roll:

On side note, are you Gunslinger aka Quake player Gunslinger?

So you believe there is a point where *everyone* can agree a name is "silly"? Doesn't the simple fact that there *are* people who want to name their children these names prove not everyone agrees? You say it's ok for parent to give their kid the same name as a color, but "Doo-Doo Brown" is a color. Is that ok? What about if Mrs. Parker wants to name her son "Peter'? Should that be disallowed, since it's the name of a superhero?

What about hair styles? I think dyeing your blonde hair is silly. But it's not too odd. But what about dyeing it green and purple and putting it in a giant mohawk? I think that many people would agree that would be silly. Should we make it illegal then?

My whole point is that if seems silly for the government to be able to, or even feel the need to, make silly laws to limit what an individual can name thier kid. I think those "riced-out" Honda Civics with huge spoilers, ground effects, giants pipes, and NOS stickers are the stupidest things I've ever seen. But would I support a law that says you shouldn't be able to waste money like that? No, because apparently some people like them and it doesn't hurt me in the least, so what difference does it make?


Umm.. I dunno about the "Quake player Gunslinger," but I'm guessing no. I've had this handle for 4-5 years now, and I did use to play some Quake 2 back in the day, however.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
There should be no laws that REQUIRE you to have an Icelandic name, like you have openly supported.

You just see immigrants as a threat and invaders. It's as simple as that.

Again, you miss the entire point of the argument. You openly supported a law, be it fictitious or not now that you have run away from it, that is openly racist. That is the problem. Until you realize this you will continue to be hateful to some degree. Look at your own sig. You can learn wonders from it.

So you are against any laws constricting possibilites of names. Are you against parents calling their kids whatever they can think of like Superman or Commie boy for example?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
So you are against any laws constricting possibilites of names.

It depends on the situation. I'm not sure where you are getting this from "There should be no laws that REQUIRE you to have an Icelandic name, like you have openly supported."

There is a damn big difference.

The position you support is inherently discriminatory,especially towards immigrants or people of different heritage or background. The position that others have shown support for is not.

Are you against parents calling their kids whatever they can think of like Superman or Commie boy for example?

It depends on the name. However, that doesn't mean that I want the government to come in and slap in laws that say everyone must be named "John".

I would be against calling kids '2390580923860923tjkdlsjflksdjf9023850293', but not against calling kids "Jose", "Eliza", "Apple", "Blue", "Ocean", etc. Of course this is very subjective. However ANY measure calling for all children to only have Icelandic names is without question horrendous and atrocious.

You can try to stamp out other people's identity as much as you want, Czar. In the end your true hatred will be evident to everyone.

 

[Czar]

RabidMongoose,
now lets test what you have learned, tell me the process you think an immigrant would go through when immigrating to iceland

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
RabidMongoose,
now lets test what you have learned, tell me the process you think an immigrant would go through when immigrating to iceland

We're not talking about the immigration process. We're talking about your open support for discriminatory laws.

If you don't want or like immigrants then just say it. It's pretty obvious where you lie, especially considering your other posts where you have stated that you are scared of seeing minorities, think they are going to rob you or whatever other crazy stuff you said.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
RabidMongoose,
now lets test what you have learned, tell me the process you think an immigrant would go through when immigrating to iceland

We're not talking about the immigration process. We're talking about your open support for discriminatory laws.

If you don't want or like immigrants then just say it. It's pretty obvious where you lie, especially considering your other posts where you have stated that you are scared of seeing minorities, think they are going to rob you or whatever other crazy stuff you said.

if you realy think this laws is "racist" then please tell me how it effects immigrants? show me your knowledge on the subject we are talking about

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
RabidMongoose,
now lets test what you have learned, tell me the process you think an immigrant would go through when immigrating to iceland

We're not talking about the immigration process. We're talking about your open support for discriminatory laws.

If you don't want or like immigrants then just say it. It's pretty obvious where you lie, especially considering your other posts where you have stated that you are scared of seeing minorities, think they are going to rob you or whatever other crazy stuff you said.

if you realy think this laws is "racist" then please tell me how it effects immigrants? show me your knowledge on the subject we are talking about

I also think that law is discriminatory. How does it not effect immigrants? The simple fact that it forces them to make their children abandon a significant part of their heritage and identity is discriminatory.

It affects all minorities.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
RabidMongoose,
now lets test what you have learned, tell me the process you think an immigrant would go through when immigrating to iceland

We're not talking about the immigration process. We're talking about your open support for discriminatory laws.

If you don't want or like immigrants then just say it. It's pretty obvious where you lie, especially considering your other posts where you have stated that you are scared of seeing minorities, think they are going to rob you or whatever other crazy stuff you said.

if you realy think this laws is "racist" then please tell me how it effects immigrants? show me your knowledge on the subject we are talking about

I also think that law is discriminatory. How does it not effect immigrants? The simple fact that it forces them to make their children abandon a significant part of their heritage and identity is discriminatory.

It affects all minorities.

you do know that you can just apply to have a new name accepted without any problems?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
you do know that you can just apply to have a new name accepted without any problems?

You do know that you openly supported something completely different, right? :roll:

Not to mention that there should be no needed approval to name your child Jose Jr.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
you do know that you can just apply to have a new name accepted without any problems?

You do know that you openly supported something completely different, right? :roll:

this is not about me, it is about this law we are discussing, you do know that people can apply to have a new name added to the list right?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
you do know that you can just apply to have a new name accepted without any problems?

You do know that you openly supported something completely different, right? :roll:

this is not about me, it is about this law we are discussing, you do know that people can apply to have a new name added to the list right?

Yes, it is about you.

Again, the crux of my argument is based upon YOUR open support of demanding all people in Iceland have Icelandic names.

Try to run away from your racist views, Czar!

Run Czar run!

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
you do know that you can just apply to have a new name accepted without any problems?

You do know that you openly supported something completely different, right? :roll:

this is not about me, it is about this law we are discussing, you do know that people can apply to have a new name added to the list right?

Yes, it is about you.

Again, the crux of my argument is based upon YOUR open support of demanding all people in Iceland have Icelandic names.

Try to run away from your racist views, Czar!

Run Czar run!

oh so this is all about me and not about the issue where the discussion originaly started?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
you do know that you can just apply to have a new name accepted without any problems?

You do know that you openly supported something completely different, right? :roll:

this is not about me, it is about this law we are discussing, you do know that people can apply to have a new name added to the list right?

Yes, it is about you.

Again, the crux of my argument is based upon YOUR open support of demanding all people in Iceland have Icelandic names.

Try to run away from your racist views, Czar!

Run Czar run!

oh so this is all about me and not about the issue where the discussion originaly started?

This thread naturally changed due to your radical right wing xenophobic statements.

I see now..you can talk about something a little different but I can't comment on your statement because I can point out the bigotry within you? Got it.

Tired of running away yet?

 

[Czar]

ok, then lets go through this, why do you think I am a racist?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
ok, then lets go through this, why do you think I am a racist?

I don't think you're a full blown racist.

However, I think you are xenophobic and hold discriminatory views against immigrants. What you have said in this thread has cemented that.

You held open support for outlawing any non-Icelandic in origin name. That is clearly discriminatory.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
ok, then lets go through this, why do you think I am a racist?

I don't think you're a full blown racist.

However, I think you are xenophobic and hold discriminatory views against immigrants. What you have said in this thread has cemented that.

quit with the statements and back up your accusations, why do you think so?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
ok, then lets go through this, why do you think I am a racist?

I don't think you're a full blown racist.

However, I think you are xenophobic and hold discriminatory views against immigrants. What you have said in this thread has cemented that.

quit with the statements and back up your accusations, why do you think so?

You held open support for outlawing any non-Icelandic in origin name. That is clearly discriminatory against immigrants.

But anyways. If you are an icelandic citizen you are that first and naming your kid with an icelandic name shouldnt be so out of the question?

It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.

You have little tolerance for anyone that is different than you. You are scared of minorities, as you have stated in a previous thread. You think it's normal to be racist. You want to stamp out the heritage and identity of people.

You are clearly xenophobic and discriminatory at the very least.

 

[Czar]

ok then
When I am talking about icelandic names I am talking about the list of approved names. And like I have said I dont know how many times if you want a different name that is not on the list you just apply for it easy peasy, lots of people do that and not just immigrants as can be seen on the list of disallowed names, there are more different versions of approved names than there are totaly foreign names.
Second, I belive everyone is racist in some way because that is how we humans work, to be open and trusting to everyone different and unknown for is is just not something that is in our nature to do. This is a simple scientific fact and applies to every animal on the planet.

But again I must go to sleep, it was way too late yesterday but I will continue this tomorrow since this is getting most interesting.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Czar
ok then
When I am talking about icelandic names I am talking about the list of approved names. And like I have said I dont know how many times if you want a different name that is not on the list you just apply for it easy peasy, lots of people do that and not just immigrants as can be seen on the list of disallowed names, there are more different versions of approved names than there are totaly foreign names.
Second, I belive everyone is racist in some way because that is how we humans work, to be open and trusting to everyone different and unknown for is is just not something that is in our nature to do. This is a simple scientific fact and applies to every animal on the planet.

But again I must go to sleep, it was way too late yesterday but I will continue this tomorrow since this is getting most interesting.

Keep running, Czar. Keep running.

You simply stated in the beginning that you don't want Jose to be born in Iceland. You don't want Mohammed to be born in Iceland. You don't want Yao to be born in Iceland. You only want Czar and his friends to be born in Iceland.

It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.

This is what you said. Read it and think about it. You don't think that someone named Jose can be Icelandic. It is extremely sad that someone's name has such a profound impact within you.

Let's think about it some more. According to you Jose that has lived in Iceland for 30 years isn't even Icelandic! Way to go xenophobia!

You have gone so far to protect your bigotted view (saying that we don't respect your culture, asking if we are racist, making ridiculous arguments, etc.) and now you are trying to run away from this as everyone has seen your bigotry out in the open.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Every potential immigrant to Iceland knows, or should know of their naming policy. Iceland has a culture, a very storied and literate one, which they would like to preserve. They have the right to wish to preserve their cultural identity, forged as it has been over the last thousand years or more.

If such a naming restriction is a make or break thing, potential immigrants are free to go elsewhere. It is NOT a racist policy, but a cultural one. Potential immigrants are NOT discriminated against on the basis of race, but they are asked to conform in this small sense to the host Icelandic culture. Again, they are free to go elsewhere.

When we in the US demand of a devout muslim woman that she remove her veil in order to have her dirver's license picture taken, are we being racist?? No.

Our laws against cannibalism, polygamy, and the serving of dog meat in restaurants go against the historically accepted practices of certain other cultures. Are we being racist?? No.

In Germany, wherever you live, you MUST go and formally register your address with the police. Does this mean that Germany is not a democracy?? (It does not.)

In Great Britian, you are NOT presumed innocent until you are proven guilty. Does this make GB a facist police state?? (It does not.)

Different countries have different mores and socio-political histories. This does not a priori make them wrong, in many cases, such as this one, it just makes them different!

Are there a set of fundamental human rights that do transcend all cultures? The United Nations thinks so, but a careful scan of all 30 articles of their Universal Declaration of Human Rights, codified at their inception in 1948, does not indicate the right to name your son Superman.

It is amazing to me that some of the same people who revile our federal government and loudly trumpet state's rights as the only sure path to freedom and the right to preserve our local ways in the face of jackbooted thugs in our country would so easily impose our collective will on entire other nations, in matters so picayune as the supposed "right" to name your son after an action hero.

Am I glad I live in a country where you can? Well . . . YES (and sometimes no.)

Do I think Iceland is racist because they have a list of names? NO!

DAMN this forum needs more posts from you!

 

[imported_Smithy]

Originally posted by: Chadder007Then again....if an immigrant is so obsessed with their own culture and doesn't want to accept any other cultures, then why the heck would they immigrate to another land??

You must be joking or live in a box.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
ok then
When I am talking about icelandic names I am talking about the list of approved names. And like I have said I dont know how many times if you want a different name that is not on the list you just apply for it easy peasy, lots of people do that and not just immigrants as can be seen on the list of disallowed names, there are more different versions of approved names than there are totaly foreign names.
Second, I belive everyone is racist in some way because that is how we humans work, to be open and trusting to everyone different and unknown for is is just not something that is in our nature to do. This is a simple scientific fact and applies to every animal on the planet.

But again I must go to sleep, it was way too late yesterday but I will continue this tomorrow since this is getting most interesting.

Keep running, Czar. Keep running.

You simply stated in the beginning that you don't want Jose to be born in Iceland. You don't want Mohammed to be born in Iceland. You don't want Yao to be born in Iceland. You only want Czar and his friends to be born in Iceland.

It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.

This is what you said. Read it and think about it. You don't think that someone named Jose can be Icelandic. It is extremely sad that someone's name has such a profound impact within you.

Let's think about it some more. According to you Jose that has lived in Iceland for 30 years isn't even Icelandic! Way to go xenophobia!

You have gone so far to protect your bigotted view (saying that we don't respect your culture, asking if we are racist, making ridiculous arguments, etc.) and now you are trying to run away from this as everyone has seen your bigotry out in the open.

I am sorry Rabid, but the only racist i see here is you.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Czar
ok then
When I am talking about icelandic names I am talking about the list of approved names. And like I have said I dont know how many times if you want a different name that is not on the list you just apply for it easy peasy, lots of people do that and not just immigrants as can be seen on the list of disallowed names, there are more different versions of approved names than there are totaly foreign names.
Second, I belive everyone is racist in some way because that is how we humans work, to be open and trusting to everyone different and unknown for is is just not something that is in our nature to do. This is a simple scientific fact and applies to every animal on the planet.

But again I must go to sleep, it was way too late yesterday but I will continue this tomorrow since this is getting most interesting.

Keep running, Czar. Keep running.

You simply stated in the beginning that you don't want Jose to be born in Iceland. You don't want Mohammed to be born in Iceland. You don't want Yao to be born in Iceland. You only want Czar and his friends to be born in Iceland.

It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.

This is what you said. Read it and think about it. You don't think that someone named Jose can be Icelandic. It is extremely sad that someone's name has such a profound impact within you.

Let's think about it some more. According to you Jose that has lived in Iceland for 30 years isn't even Icelandic! Way to go xenophobia!

You have gone so far to protect your bigotted view (saying that we don't respect your culture, asking if we are racist, making ridiculous arguments, etc.) and now you are trying to run away from this as everyone has seen your bigotry out in the open.

I am sorry Rabid, but the only racist i see here is you.

Yes, because someone that wants and expresses his desire for the stripping of heritage and culture of immigrants does not have problems.

You stated:

I should probably read more carefully, If Iceland forces immigrants to change their names then yes, that is racist.

So you think it's wrong to force immigrants to change their names, but it's not wrong to force immigrants to eradicate their heritage, culture, and identity of their children?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Smithy

Originally posted by: Chadder007Then again....if an immigrant is so obsessed with their own culture and doesn't want to accept any other cultures, then why the heck would they immigrate to another land??

You must be joking or live in a box.

You are most definently the wierdest poster ever, if you do not like thte laws of the land you immigrate to, then why go there?

It is a serious and obvious question.

Asnswer it.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Smithy

Originally posted by: Chadder007Then again....if an immigrant is so obsessed with their own culture and doesn't want to accept any other cultures, then why the heck would they immigrate to another land??

You must be joking or live in a box.

You are most definently the wierdest poster ever, if you do not like thte laws of the land you immigrate to, then why go there?

It is a serious and obvious question.

Asnswer it.

Can I ask you a question...is it OK for a country to have a law that says Asians cannot have children while in the country?

According to you Asians would try not to go there...does that make it OK?