EITHER YOU ARE WITH US OR AGAINST US!!!!!!!!!! RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWR!
git outa da country if ya disagree with policy!
Originally posted by: Smithy
You must be joking or live in a box.Originally posted by: Chadder007Then again....if an immigrant is so obsessed with their own culture and doesn't want to accept any other cultures, then why the heck would they immigrate to another land??
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
ok then
When I am talking about icelandic names I am talking about the list of approved names. And like I have said I dont know how many times if you want a different name that is not on the list you just apply for it easy peasy, lots of people do that and not just immigrants as can be seen on the list of disallowed names, there are more different versions of approved names than there are totaly foreign names.
Second, I belive everyone is racist in some way because that is how we humans work, to be open and trusting to everyone different and unknown for is is just not something that is in our nature to do. This is a simple scientific fact and applies to every animal on the planet.
But again I must go to sleep, it was way too late yesterday but I will continue this tomorrow since this is getting most interesting.
Keep running, Czar. Keep running.
You simply stated in the beginning that you don't want Jose to be born in Iceland. You don't want Mohammed to be born in Iceland. You don't want Yao to be born in Iceland. You only want Czar and his friends to be born in Iceland.
It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.
This is what you said. Read it and think about it. You don't think that someone named Jose can be Icelandic. It is extremely sad that someone's name has such a profound impact within you.
Let's think about it some more. According to you Jose that has lived in Iceland for 30 years isn't even Icelandic! Way to go xenophobia!
You have gone so far to protect your bigotted view (saying that we don't respect your culture, asking if we are racist, making ridiculous arguments, etc.) and now you are trying to run away from this as everyone has seen your bigotry out in the open.
I am sorry Rabid, but the only racist i see here is you.
Yes, because someone that wants and expresses his desire for the stripping of heritage and culture of immigrants does not have problems.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
What you are suggesting is stripping the rest of the nation of their heritage over a period of time, now explain to me how this is a better solution. hmmmmmmmm.
Few do, but i will try to explain, Icelandic culture has a value and there is a price for preserving that value.
Now that is short and concise.
Icelanders have lived this way for hundreds of generations
There is another one.
Icelanders should change their ways because Rabid says they should.
I should probably read more carefully, If Iceland forces immigrants to change their names then yes, that is racist.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Smithy
You must be joking or live in a box.Originally posted by: Chadder007Then again....if an immigrant is so obsessed with their own culture and doesn't want to accept any other cultures, then why the heck would they immigrate to another land??
You are most definently the wierdest poster ever, if you do not like thte laws of the land you immigrate to, then why go there?
It is a serious and obvious question.
Asnswer it.
Can I ask you a question...is it OK for a country to have a law that says Asians cannot have children while in the country?
According to you Asians would try not to go there...does that make it OK?
We would make a veiled white person remove their veil all the same. Just like I have to take my hat off. Race is race. Religion is religion. A dictionary is sometimes helpful.Originally posted by: PerknoseWhen we in the US demand of a devout muslim woman that she remove her veil in order to have her dirver's license picture taken, are we being racist?? No.
Again a dictionary may be useful.Our laws against cannibalism, polygamy, and the serving of dog meat in restaurants go against the historically accepted practices of certain other cultures. Are we being racist?? No.
We have state ID cards and Drivers Liscense in the US too.In Germany, wherever you live, you MUST go and formally register your address with the police. Does this mean that Germany is not a democracy?? (It does not.)
Certainly doesnt help. But i'm sure the UK has due process.In Great Britian, you are NOT presumed innocent until you are proven guilty. Does this make GB a facist police state?? (It does not.)
Yes, different people are in fact, different. well said.Different countries have different mores and socio-political histories. This does not a priori make them wrong, in many cases, such as this one, it just makes them different!
I'll take my US rights you keep your UN rights. The UN also has a world population plan, make sure you read that, figure out where will all the people will go, before you go about touting the UN.Are there a set of fundamental human rights that do transcend all cultures? The United Nations thinks so, but a careful scan of all 30 articles of their Universal Declaration of Human Rights, codified at their inception in 1948, does not indicate the right to name your son Superman.
The deprogrammed and not yet programmed Ammericans don't liek the government making decisions for us based on 'whats best'Originally posted by: nCred
Why are everyone obsessed with this? In Sweden you can name your kid whatever foreign name you want, but not something degrading or just stupid, I´ve seen some fuked up names here in Sweden too. I have no idea why Americans want to have the possibilty to name their child "Uglyfuk" or anything like that.
yes I do. The child can change it if he wants, the court will here his agrument for a name change. I'd like the nick name 43, that sounds cool.Originally posted by: nCred
Do you think a parent should be allowed to name their child for ex. "4324444444444432222235663546566346634666346436663436436643690099902930220000789"
you said it yourself "you should have some control" not the governmentOriginally posted by: nCred
No, I would not support that if I lived in Iceland, but I think you should have some control over nutcases naming their kids.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
What you are suggesting is stripping the rest of the nation of their heritage over a period of time, now explain to me how this is a better solution. hmmmmmmmm.
It is not stripping the heritage over time, unless you are trying to say that the entire culture is based upon xenophobia and hatred. Is it?
Having Jose next door is not going to destroy you. If you think it will then I don't know what to say to you.
Few do, but i will try to explain, Icelandic culture has a value and there is a price for preserving that value.
Now that is short and concise.
Icelanders have lived this way for hundreds of generations
There is another one.
Are you willing to go through racist means to do what you believe would protect your culture? You are talking about the REASONS for these discriminatory, racist, and xenophobic tactics. If you are acknowleding the reasons then why are you not acknowleding the full case?
Icelanders should change their ways because Rabid says they should.
If your way is racist then I am asking you to change your ways. Hopefully Iceland's 'ways' are not fundamentally based upon racism, xenophobica, and hatred. Is it? You can't have it both ways.
Having Jose living next door to you changes your 'ways' how exactly?
You stated:
I should probably read more carefully, If Iceland forces immigrants to change their names then yes, that is racist.
So you think it's wrong to force immigrants to change their names, but it's not wrong to force immigrants to eradicate their heritage, culture, and identity of their children?
Originally posted by: Klixxer
According to me that is a fvcking stupid questing and unworthy of a reply, but you will get one that relates to what is being discussed: Of course not, but that is not comparable, it woudl be against a specific race, i coubt Jampe Janistu would be a more common name in Iceland than José so they are indiscrimately using names that apply
Does this get through to you, it would be less likely for me, as a Finn to keep my name even though most finns of today are the same as icelanders, norwegian, danish or swedish, there is no racism in this, you are just trying to make it up.
In a united world you would have a point, in this, you do not.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Nice twist but a martini it is not.
Now, explain to me how they are force to eradicate their heritage, culture, and identity of their children by naming him to something like Jose, from mexico.
You can cave ANY name as long as it is legal and you won't know until it is illegal, most of them are strange icelandic spellings of foreign names that are not allowed.
For example, my sons name is Johan, that is not an icelandic spelling of the name because it does not exist in Iceland, i could name him that in Iceland too, but what i could not do is use an icelandic specific character instead of the o in Johan.
Do you get my point?
I should probably read more carefully, If Iceland forces immigrants to change their names then yes, that is racist.
Wow you are sheltered. You see when people are in poverty, say not eating, poor shelter, and have no medical care, they don't like that very much. Obviously this has escaped you. When people migrate, they do so to obtain better living conditions. I doubt Mexicans are attracted to the obnoxious American culture but are more interested in getting out of poverty.Originally posted by: Klixxer
You are most definently the wierdest poster ever, if you do not like thte laws of the land you immigrate to, then why go there?
It is a serious and obvious question.
I say, when you become an icelandic citizen you become icelandic, so if you would move here and become an icelandic citizen I would look at you as icelandic, same would go for Jose here. Same goes with the icelandic names, it becomes an icelandic name when it gets approved by icelandic law regardless if it is of foreign origin or not.Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Czar
ok then
When I am talking about icelandic names I am talking about the list of approved names. And like I have said I dont know how many times if you want a different name that is not on the list you just apply for it easy peasy, lots of people do that and not just immigrants as can be seen on the list of disallowed names, there are more different versions of approved names than there are totaly foreign names.
Second, I belive everyone is racist in some way because that is how we humans work, to be open and trusting to everyone different and unknown for is is just not something that is in our nature to do. This is a simple scientific fact and applies to every animal on the planet.
But again I must go to sleep, it was way too late yesterday but I will continue this tomorrow since this is getting most interesting.
Keep running, Czar. Keep running.
You simply stated in the beginning that you don't want Jose to be born in Iceland. You don't want Mohammed to be born in Iceland. You don't want Yao to be born in Iceland. You only want Czar and his friends to be born in Iceland.
It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.
This is what you said. Read it and think about it. You don't think that someone named Jose can be Icelandic. It is extremely sad that someone's name has such a profound impact within you.
Let's think about it some more. According to you Jose that has lived in Iceland for 30 years isn't even Icelandic! Way to go xenophobia!
You have gone so far to protect your bigotted view (saying that we don't respect your culture, asking if we are racist, making ridiculous arguments, etc.) and now you are trying to run away from this as everyone has seen your bigotry out in the open.
best post in this thread by far:thumbsup:Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Perknose
Every potential immigrant to Iceland knows, or should know of their naming policy. Iceland has a culture, a very storied and literate one, which they would like to preserve. They have the right to wish to preserve their cultural identity, forged as it has been over the last thousand years or more.
If such a naming restriction is a make or break thing, potential immigrants are free to go elsewhere. It is NOT a racist policy, but a cultural one. Potential immigrants are NOT discriminated against on the basis of race, but they are asked to conform in this small sense to the host Icelandic culture. Again, they are free to go elsewhere.
When we in the US demand of a devout muslim woman that she remove her veil in order to have her dirver's license picture taken, are we being racist?? No.
Our laws against cannibalism, polygamy, and the serving of dog meat in restaurants go against the historically accepted practices of certain other cultures. Are we being racist?? No.
In Germany, wherever you live, you MUST go and formally register your address with the police. Does this mean that Germany is not a democracy?? (It does not.)
In Great Britian, you are NOT presumed innocent until you are proven guilty. Does this make GB a facist police state?? (It does not.)
Different countries have different mores and socio-political histories. This does not a priori make them wrong, in many cases, such as this one, it just makes them different!
Are there a set of fundamental human rights that do transcend all cultures? The United Nations thinks so, but a careful scan of all 30 articles of their Universal Declaration of Human Rights, codified at their inception in 1948, does not indicate the right to name your son Superman.
It is amazing to me that some of the same people who revile our federal government and loudly trumpet state's rights as the only sure path to freedom and the right to preserve our local ways in the face of jackbooted thugs in our country would so easily impose our collective will on entire other nations, in matters so picayune as the supposed "right" to name your son after an action hero.
Am I glad I live in a country where you can? Well . . . YES (and sometimes no.)
Do I think Iceland is racist because they have a list of names? NO!
DAMN this forum needs more posts from you!
that would be Jóhann in icelandic, slightly different spelling but same pronunciationOriginally posted by: KlixxerFor example, my sons name is Johan, that is not an icelandic spelling of the name because it does not exist in Iceland, i could name him that in Iceland too, but what i could not do is use an icelandic specific character instead of the o in Johan.
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So? WTF does the government care what you name your child? If s/he does like it, they can change it when they turn 18.Originally posted by: joshw10
I kind of agree with this. It's a child not a pet.
Originally posted by: Czar
I say, when you become an icelandic citizen you become icelandic, so if you would move here and become an icelandic citizen I would look at you as icelandic, same would go for Jose here. Same goes with the icelandic names, it becomes an icelandic name when it gets approved by icelandic law regardless if it is of foreign origin or not.
Does this explain well enough to you my stance?
It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.
you have no idea how hard it is to salvage this language with all the cultural influence that is coming right now and you couldnt belive how vastly different my generation speaks and uses english slang compared to my parents. It is maybe a loosing battle but it is worth doing.
not ok to you maybe but ok to me
that is a cultural difference
?? What about them?Originally posted by: DeeKnow
and what about the first 18 years...?Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So? WTF does the government care what you name your child? If s/he does like it, they can change it when they turn 18.Originally posted by: joshw10
I kind of agree with this. It's a child not a pet.
Originally posted by: Czar
RabidMongoose,
I think you are grossly misunderstanding what I have been saying here, could you tell with your own words where you think I stand and why you think I'm racist?
and for more info to this thread, here is a list of names that have been rejected by the naming committie
http://www.rettarheimild.is/ma...fn=on&Samthykkt=no
Alot of them are purely foreign names but most of them are already names that are accepted but written differently. For example Elíza is a rejected name but Elísa is accepted. Liisa is rejected but Lísa is accepted.
Yeah, those foreigners shouldn't be allowed to have names!
still on the same track I see
but I'll bite
When foreigners want to become icelandic citizens then before many years ago they had to change their names but that was abolished. I had a friend who was from Italy I think whose name was Gustavo and he had to change it to Gustav. Didnt matter at all since everyone called him Gustavo anyways.
But anyways. If you are an icelandic citizen you are that first and naming your kid with an icelandic name shouldnt be so out of the question?
so you guys dont accept different cultures? isnt that racism?
PATHETIC.
I am respecting the culture. That doesn't mean that it is OK to be racist against immigrants
you are? then why are you so much against my culture and just cant accept it?
When people decide to move for example from Mexico to Iceland they are not coming here to make a little mini Mexico, they come here fully knowingly that here is a different culture and you must adapt to that society.
It isnt, when you become an Icelandic citizen you are Icelandic, if you moved here and had a name like Googlygoogl you can keep that but your kids who would be born as fully icelandic citizens have to pick up icelandic names because they are in fact icelandic.
The law is part of my culture, highly valuing the Icelandic language is a part of my culture. What you are basicly saying that my culture of trying to salvage my language is offensive to you.
ou have no idea how hard it is to salvage this language with all the cultural influence that is coming right now and you couldnt belive how vastly different my generation speaks and uses english slang compared to my parents. It is maybe a loosing battle but it is worth doing.
And no one is talking about forcing people to change their names. It does only apply to newborns. If you want to call your kid Jose then you just have to apply for it, no idea if it would be accepted or not, most likely will if you have a mexican background.
Originally posted by: Czar
RabidMongoose,
I think you are grossly misunderstanding what I have been saying here, could you tell with your own words where you think I stand and why you think I'm racist?
Imagine how US would be if there was 25 different official languages.
Another prolem to take into consideration is our welfarestates, where you get a social security and free healthcare.
And for the same reason I don't find it a prblem with the naming laws. It's a law that is based around a very old nation that people who live there care about and want to preserve. When and if there are enough who think it should be changed it will. When it will happen is different from nation to nation. It's not racist, but it could be considered nationalistic depending on how strict the law is administered, but in real life I highly doubt that it propose any threats against anybody.
Originally posted by: Czar
RabidMongoose,
your own words please