Government releases UFO files

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Anyone who believes aliens from another planet visit our planet is clearly stupid.

Why is that? If we had the capability we would visit other planets so why wouldnt they?

Because much like all skeptics this one follows the "absence of proof IS proof of absence"

WRONG. The correct (and coincidentally skeptical position) is:
Unless there is positive evidence to support a given claim, the only rational position is to assume it's false.

Similarly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You can't prove invisible unicorns that love gasoline fumes aren't the real reason that cars go down the highway, but you wouldn't believe that claim unless someone provided some damn good evidence to support that.

So out of the countless millions of reports about UFO sightings, encounters, and abductions; complete with billions of pages of stories, descriptions, and pictures... NONE of them are genuine? My friend, all it takes is one, and while I wouldn't put a combination of lies, delusions, and embellishments past a race infatuated with money and glamour, making these assertions can only lead to (PUN alert) alienation and ridicule for the average Joe who doesn't watch the skies or sit in circles where UFO discussion is openly debated.

You can pigeonhole all these anomalies into government projects, weather abnormalities, and out-right hoaxes to name a few all you like, the fact remains that until we are "told" they do exist the truth will forever be muddled and no grainy picture, fantastic story, or jumpy video is going to break the debate wide open. It's a matter of faith really, we're never going to be told the truth (assuming truth is being suppressed) unless something amazing happens so it's up to us to collect the information available and come up with our on damn theory. Then of course, it's just a theory, and so easy for people to poke holes through and criticize without having a scientific way of proving it. It's just one of those things I wish people would take more seriously, I know there's going to be fanatics at both ends of the curve but even now it seems most people feel comfy swimming on the skeptics side of the pool. It's cool though, I'm happy coming up with my own theories and will take UFOlogy over religion anyday of the week and 50 times on Sunday during whatever mass you attend (not you, but a majority) because I'll believe in conscious aliens who mastered galactic space travel before I believe in a conscious god that has my back and is always watching me.

Whew, that's a lot of commas.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Any of you failures want to talk about 9/11 now?

Mods, can you please do something about this clown before he hurts himself thinking too hard?

(please note post was much harsher before considering this members obvious fragile state of mind and my own continuing membership on this forum)

 

[meltdown75]

can't the laliens just come down and hang out with us

i will take them to my dealer

 

[manowar821]

lol

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Anyone who believes aliens from another planet visit our planet is clearly stupid.

Why is that? If we had the capability we would visit other planets so why wouldnt they?

Because much like all skeptics this one follows the "absence of proof IS proof of absence"

WRONG. The correct (and coincidentally skeptical position) is:
Unless there is positive evidence to support a given claim, the only rational position is to assume it's false.

Similarly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You can't prove invisible unicorns that love gasoline fumes aren't the real reason that cars go down the highway, but you wouldn't believe that claim unless someone provided some damn good evidence to support that.

So out of the countless millions of reports about UFO sightings, encounters, and abductions; complete with billions of pages of stories, descriptions, and pictures... NONE of them are genuine?

You seem to have stumbled upon something there. People ARE stupid en masse.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
So out of the countless millions of reports about UFO sightings, encounters, and abductions; complete with billions of pages of stories, descriptions, and pictures... NONE of them are genuine?

You seem to have stumbled upon something there. People ARE stupid en masse.

But a person isn't necessarily.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Any of you failures want to talk about 9/11 now?

Mods, can you please do something about this clown before he hurts himself thinking too hard?

(please note post was much harsher before considering this members obvious fragile state of mind and my own continuing membership on this forum)

Did I hurt your feelings?

The mods here probably have some sort of education, and are busy this very minute laughing at how gullible you are.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Any of you failures want to talk about 9/11 now?

Mods, can you please do something about this clown before he hurts himself thinking too hard?

(please note post was much harsher before considering this members obvious fragile state of mind and my own continuing membership on this forum)

Did I hurt your feelings?

The mods here probably have some sort of education, and are busy this very minute laughing at how gullible you are.

If they had an education then they would be smart enough to know the universe is large enough that life may be on another planet/galaxy out there, and also may be many million times older then our own planet with much more sophisticated technology that we cant even begin to comprehend.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Any of you failures want to talk about 9/11 now?

Mods, can you please do something about this clown before he hurts himself thinking too hard?

(please note post was much harsher before considering this members obvious fragile state of mind and my own continuing membership on this forum)

Did I hurt your feelings?

The mods here probably have some sort of education, and are busy this very minute laughing at how gullible you are.

Oh, I'm sure they're laughing Mr. witty-palindrome username guy, I'm sure they are...

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
I should "Die In A Fire" because I know aliens from other planets have never ever visited us?

You don't actually know anything of the sort, though, do you? They don't know either, but that doesn't change the fact...

 

[So]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Anyone who believes aliens from another planet visit our planet is clearly stupid.

Why is that? If we had the capability we would visit other planets so why wouldnt they?

Because much like all skeptics this one follows the "absence of proof IS proof of absence"

WRONG. The correct (and coincidentally skeptical position) is:
Unless there is positive evidence to support a given claim, the only rational position is to assume it's false.

Similarly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You can't prove invisible unicorns that love gasoline fumes aren't the real reason that cars go down the highway, but you wouldn't believe that claim unless someone provided some damn good evidence to support that.

So out of the countless millions of reports about UFO sightings, encounters, and abductions; complete with billions of pages of stories, descriptions, and pictures... NONE of them are genuine? My friend, all it takes is one, and while I wouldn't put a combination of lies, delusions, and embellishments past a race infatuated with money and glamour, making these assertions can only lead to (PUN alert) alienation and ridicule for the average Joe who doesn't watch the skies or sit in circles where UFO discussion is openly debated.

Absolutely none. People see what they're looking for. There were no "abductions" before the time when people realized it was possible for life to live off the planet. The mind plays very interesting tricks on people, and it does it damn well. I'm sure most UFO observers believe what they think they see, but what they think they see is inevitably not the same as what they actually see.

You can pigeonhole all these anomalies into government projects, weather abnormalities, and out-right hoaxes to name a few all you like, the fact remains that until we are "told" they do exist the truth will forever be muddled and no grainy picture, fantastic story, or jumpy video is going to break the debate wide open. It's a matter of faith really, we're never going to be told the truth (assuming truth is being suppressed) unless something amazing happens so it's up to us to collect the information available and come up with our on damn theory. Then of course, it's just a theory, and so easy for people to poke holes through and criticize without having a scientific way of proving it. It's just one of those things I wish people would take more seriously, I know there's going to be fanatics at both ends of the curve but even now it seems most people feel comfy swimming on the skeptics side of the pool. It's cool though, I'm happy coming up with my own theories and will take UFOlogy over religion anyday of the week and 50 times on Sunday during whatever mass you attend (not you, but a majority) because I'll believe in conscious aliens who mastered galactic space travel before I believe in a conscious god that has my back and is always watching me.

Whew, that's a lot of commas.

That's the thing, as I said above. Until there is incontrovertible, extraordinary, concrete evidence, I cannot in good conscience pretend that I believe something so extraordinarily unlikely to be true.

 

[soulcougher73]

You can pigeonhole all these anomalies into government projects, weather abnormalities, and out-right hoaxes to name a few all you like, the fact remains that until we are "told" they do exist the truth will forever be muddled and no grainy picture, fantastic story, or jumpy video is going to break the debate wide open. It's a matter of faith really, we're never going to be told the truth (assuming truth is being suppressed) unless something amazing happens so it's up to us to collect the information available and come up with our on damn theory. Then of course, it's just a theory, and so easy for people to poke holes through and criticize without having a scientific way of proving it. It's just one of those things I wish people would take more seriously, I know there's going to be fanatics at both ends of the curve but even now it seems most people feel comfy swimming on the skeptics side of the pool. It's cool though, I'm happy coming up with my own theories and will take UFOlogy over religion anyday of the week and 50 times on Sunday during whatever mass you attend (not you, but a majority) because I'll believe in conscious aliens who mastered galactic space travel before I believe in a conscious god that has my back and is always watching me.

Whew, that's a lot of commas.

That's the thing, as I said above. Until there is incontrovertible, extraordinary, concrete evidence, I cannot in good conscience pretend that I believe something so extraordinarily unlikely to be true.[/quote]


Do you believe in God? Because i think God would fall into your category of "I cannot in good conscience pretend that I believe something so extraordinarily unlikely to be true."

 

[Modelworks]

How do you know that this was all the information they have ?
Maybe it is just the information they want you to think they have !
(start x-files music)

 

[magreen]

Mmmmm... rednecks are tasty.

I'll be leaving you now.



....

BrokenVisage, did you go to school on the long bus or the short bus?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

You can pigeonhole all these anomalies into government projects, weather abnormalities, and out-right hoaxes to name a few all you like, the fact remains that until we are "told" they do exist the truth will forever be muddled and no grainy picture, fantastic story, or jumpy video is going to break the debate wide open. It's a matter of faith really, we're never going to be told the truth (assuming truth is being suppressed) unless something amazing happens so it's up to us to collect the information available and come up with our on damn theory. Then of course, it's just a theory, and so easy for people to poke holes through and criticize without having a scientific way of proving it. It's just one of those things I wish people would take more seriously, I know there's going to be fanatics at both ends of the curve but even now it seems most people feel comfy swimming on the skeptics side of the pool. It's cool though, I'm happy coming up with my own theories and will take UFOlogy over religion anyday of the week and 50 times on Sunday during whatever mass you attend (not you, but a majority) because I'll believe in conscious aliens who mastered galactic space travel before I believe in a conscious god that has my back and is always watching me.

Whew, that's a lot of commas.

That's the thing, as I said above. Until there is incontrovertible, extraordinary, concrete evidence, I cannot in good conscience pretend that I believe something so extraordinarily unlikely to be true.

Do you believe in God? Because i think God would fall into your category of "I cannot in good conscience pretend that I believe something so extraordinarily unlikely to be true."

I absolutely do not believe in god, for exactly the same reasons.

 

[Juddog]

To the people stating that going faster than light is impossible, you need to realize that the speed of light is simply a barrier to us that we don't know yet how to travel faster than right now. We've already exceeded light speed in lab experiments. Just because there is that limit which currently stops us doesn't mean that it will always be there.

There are many beginning ideas already on how to exceed the speed of light, and the speed of light has only been known for about a hundred years. We humans as a civilization still have a huge amount of technological improvement that we can go through. The speed of sound used to be thought of as unbreakable as well.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: magreen
Mmmmm... rednecks are tasty.

I'll be leaving you now.



....

BrokenVisage, did you go to school on the long bus or the short bus?

I'm sorry if the big words and deep thinking hurt your brain, youngling. You're much too articulate for us, maybe it's best that you did leave.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

You can pigeonhole all these anomalies into government projects, weather abnormalities, and out-right hoaxes to name a few all you like, the fact remains that until we are "told" they do exist the truth will forever be muddled and no grainy picture, fantastic story, or jumpy video is going to break the debate wide open. It's a matter of faith really, we're never going to be told the truth (assuming truth is being suppressed) unless something amazing happens so it's up to us to collect the information available and come up with our on damn theory. Then of course, it's just a theory, and so easy for people to poke holes through and criticize without having a scientific way of proving it. It's just one of those things I wish people would take more seriously, I know there's going to be fanatics at both ends of the curve but even now it seems most people feel comfy swimming on the skeptics side of the pool. It's cool though, I'm happy coming up with my own theories and will take UFOlogy over religion anyday of the week and 50 times on Sunday during whatever mass you attend (not you, but a majority) because I'll believe in conscious aliens who mastered galactic space travel before I believe in a conscious god that has my back and is always watching me.

Whew, that's a lot of commas.

That's the thing, as I said above. Until there is incontrovertible, extraordinary, concrete evidence, I cannot in good conscience pretend that I believe something so extraordinarily unlikely to be true.

Do you believe in God? Because i think God would fall into your category of "I cannot in good conscience pretend that I believe something so extraordinarily unlikely to be true."

I absolutely do not believe in god, for exactly the same reasons.

GASP! Unheard of. Recant this instant to save your soul, man! Don't you care about your soul?!?!? OMG OMG OMG

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Juddog
To the people stating that going faster than light is impossible, you need to realize that the speed of light is simply a barrier to us that we don't know yet how to travel faster than right now.
it looks to be a natural law, nothing in nature has been shown to travel faster than light We've already exceeded light speed in lab experiments. Just because there is that limit which currently stops us doesn't mean that it will always be there.
Not true. We've exceeded the apparent speed of light in lab experiments, not the ACTUAL speed of light

There are many beginning ideas already on how to exceed the speed of light, and the speed of light has only been known for about a hundred years.
We've had an estimate of the speed of light for about four centuries and a reasonably accurate on for about three
We humans as a civilization still have a huge amount of technological improvement that we can go through.
There are a lot of technical achievements ahead, but that doesn't mean that every law is NECESSARILY breakable. That is a logical fallacy
The speed of sound used to be thought of as unbreakable as well.
Nobody ever thought the sound barrier was unbreakable. They thought that making a propeller driven aircraft controllable at transonic speeds might be impossible, and AFAIK, nobody has ever gone supersonic in an aircraft. It was long known that bullets and rockets routinely go supersonic. Hell, even the tip of a bullwhip does.

Look, I genuninely hope that we eventually find a way to travel the stars quickly, but there is little reason to believe that it's inevitable. All the highly speculative proposed methods require things like infinite mass, negative mass, or negative energy. None of which are known to exist.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Yay for quantum entanglement! It is however, NOT faster than light travel. The experiment you speak about also has mysteriously not been replicated.

The case is simple. The universe is utterly huge, and to travel at any kind of reasonable speed to traverse it requires MORE ENERGY THAN IS IN IT. Worm holes (if they exists at all, and they may), would also require more energy than is in the universe to hold open. Folding space presents similar obstacles.

Yes I "KNOW" aliens have never visited here (unless we are them, and we were bacteriaish [is it bacteriaessent?] in nature when we arrived).

This math will never become obsolete.

 

[SirStev0]

That is cool. Funny that the UK beat the "Home of the Free" in releasing such information.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Yay for quantum entanglement! It is however, NOT faster than light travel. The experiment you speak about also has mysteriously not been replicated.

The case is simple. The universe is utterly huge, and to travel at any kind of reasonable speed to traverse it requires MORE ENERGY THAN IS IN IT. Worm holes (if they exists at all, and they may), would also require more energy than is in the universe to hold open. Folding space presents similar obstacles.

Yes I "KNOW" aliens have never visited here (unless we are them, and we were bacteriaish [is it bacteriaessent?] in nature when we arrived).

This math will never become obsolete.

You are speculating that what we currently know of as far as technology is the be all end all. Maybe lightspeed to an alien species that is 1 billion years older then us, is what 2+2 is to us. Maybe they are so far beyond lightspeed that they dont even study it anymore because it is such an uneffiecient means of travel.

Expand your mind my friend.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: herm0016

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Anyone who believes aliens from another planet visit our planet is clearly stupid.

Why is that? If we had the capability we would visit other planets so why wouldnt they?

I would say anyone who completely discredits every sighting is stupid for not realizing the chances of life more advanced than us to exist in the infinite volume of space is pretty high.

Sigh. Do I have to address this again. See my post here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ght_key=y&keyword1=UFO

Believing UFOs are actively visiting earth requires the following assumptions.
1. There has at some point been life off earth
2. That there is currently life off earth.
3. That there is currently life off earth but relatively nearby (in this galaxy).
4. That the nearby life off earth has evolved intelligence and still exists.
5. That this intelligent life has developed a scientific civilization (see whales / elephants).
6. That the life off earth and nearby with a scientific civilization has developed spaceflight.
7. That the current life off earth nearby with intelligence and a scientific civilization and spaceflight has noticed us.
8. That the current life off earth nearby with intelligence and a scientific civilization and spaceflight and that has noticed us has a means to get here in a timely manner.
9. That the current life off earth nearby with intelligence and a scientific civilization and spaceflight and that has noticed us and a means to get here in a timely manner has visited us yet refuses to make contact in a public way, preferring to kidnap rednecks.
10. That the current life off earth nearby with intelligence and a scientific civilization and spaceflight and that has noticed us and a means to get here in a timely manner and visits us yet refuses to make contact in a public way, preferring to kidnap rednecks has been able to be covered up by the government as easily explainable phenomenon.

I will accept 1-3 as extremely likely, 4 as possible and anything else as highly unlikely at best. Especially when the alternate explanation is "crackpots are seeing patterns where there are none"

I believe this is the idea behind Alien encounters:

Say you were a scientist in the Amazon. You are in a newly discovered valley. In this valley you find a swarm of large, hive minded hornets that are different than any bees you have ever observed. You want to study the hornets and learn about their habits and life. You know the hornets are capable of harm and have observed them killing and feeding on a larger animal. How would you approach studying them?

Let's make some guesses.
You would approach it first at a distance observing them. You would watch for a long time and try to interfere as little as possible. You would eventually need to get samples and study them. It would probably be easiest to set traps to collect them with out the rest of the herd noticing. Ones that make mistakes would therefore be the targets. You may even want to re-release some of them back into the community with tracking devices and instruments in order to record their activity.


This is just a theoretical look but I remember during shark week this past year watching a show where they were trying to observe a new type of Coral Shark and employed a similar method. It does make sense.


I'd hope that if there was some sort of spacefaring race of humanoids that encountered our planet that they would be willing to greet us and communicate with us not study us as lower organisms. Taking a look at some of our tendencies though, I could see why an intelligent organism may want to avoid our species IE the current US policy of Strike first ask questions (make reasons) later.
I also wonder how we'd approach a new species if we ever found one. How we'd act towards them.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Yay for quantum entanglement! It is however, NOT faster than light travel. The experiment you speak about also has mysteriously not been replicated.

The case is simple. The universe is utterly huge, and to travel at any kind of reasonable speed to traverse it requires MORE ENERGY THAN IS IN IT. Worm holes (if they exists at all, and they may), would also require more energy than is in the universe to hold open. Folding space presents similar obstacles.

Yes I "KNOW" aliens have never visited here (unless we are them, and we were bacteriaish [is it bacteriaessent?] in nature when we arrived).

This math will never become obsolete.

You are speculating that what we currently know of as far as technology is the be all end all. Maybe lightspeed to an alien species that is 1 billion years older then us, is what 2+2 is to us. Maybe they are so far beyond lightspeed that they dont even study it anymore because it is such an uneffiecient means of travel.

Expand your mind my friend.

Stay in school.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Let's just be clear - we really have no clue what the odds are of intelligent life existing outside of Earth. There are so many unknown factors in the equation that's it's likely we'll never know with any degree of certainty.

For more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ztl8CG3Sys