GP106 speculations

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Than rx480 > 1060, on performance. just like 380 > 960.

I have a 960 Gigabyte 4gb card that I happily paid 170$ for last year on sale.

In this review both cards were 239$ and when both cards are overclocked it is a virtual tie. Just for your info. My overclock will beat most if not all 380's and it uses 66 less watts.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015...60_gaming_4g_video_card_review/9#.V1wLw4-cEcR

Now the more expensive 380X is faster.

anyway the 1060 and 480 contest will be similar , I agree with you .
 
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crisium

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Unless 1060 is really held back by a bandwidth or ROP choice, I suspect Nvidia will target clocks for it that put it close to the same favorable light to 980 as the 1070 is to the Titan X.

Nvidia is glowing with delight every time a review states how the 1070 at $379* beats the $999 Titan X. They targeted the clockrates deliberately to give it a ~3-10% lead.

I'm going with a 1060 to be ~5% faster than a 980. They want it not just barely beating the $330 970. They want to advertise how it beats the $550 launch GTX 980 for half or less than half the price.

*Product not yet reviewed by any website.
 

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Unless 1060 is really held back by a bandwidth or ROP choice, I suspect Nvidia will target clocks for it that put it close to the same favorable light to 980 as the 1070 is to the Titan X.

Nvidia is glowing with delight every time a review states how the 1070 at $379* beats the $999 Titan X. They targeted the clockrates deliberately to give it a ~3-10% lead.

I'm going with a 1060 to be ~5% faster than a 980. They want it not just barely beating the $330 970. They want to advertise how it beats the $550 launch GTX 980 for half or less than half the price.

*Product not yet reviewed by any website.

Good post, its very possible and likely.
 

Head1985

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After 1070 i expecting 1060 will be:
MSRP for AIBs 350euro and 400Euro for FE.ALL AIBs will ignore 350euro MSRP anyway and card will cost 400-420Euro.
Performance will be GTX970-980 level.

So it will cost more than GTX970 but it will have better power consuption.
 
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Unless 1060 is really held back by a bandwidth or ROP choice, I suspect Nvidia will target clocks for it that put it close to the same favorable light to 980 as the 1070 is to the Titan X.

Nvidia is glowing with delight every time a review states how the 1070 at $379* beats the $999 Titan X. They targeted the clockrates deliberately to give it a ~3-10% lead.

I'm going with a 1060 to be ~5% faster than a 980. They want it not just barely beating the $330 970. They want to advertise how it beats the $550 launch GTX 980 for half or less than half the price.

*Product not yet reviewed by any website.

We all know the rumoured GP106 is: 1280 cores, 192bit bus, 6GB, and clocks north of 1600.

These specs would safely put it around 50% of a GP104, maybe 55% if clocks are high enough.

Stock 4GB Polaris10 should wipe the floor with GP102 with respect to perf/$ - however, I'm certain Nvidia will do whatever possible to ensure that games need 6GB for maximum settings @ 1080P - even if this means throwing Maxwell owners under the bus.

AMD will need to continue the trend of driver updates to optimize Vram usuage for the foreseeable future. This is a plus for Fiji owners as their Vram related driver updates won't be forgotten about.

Anyhow, GP106's success depends on how their marketing can sell the idea of how essential 6GB of Vram is required for 1080p. Just feel sorry for all those 970/980 owners when they see themselves getting left behind.

My prediction: 970 0C will handily beat a 1060 in dx11 - with dx12 being a complete reversal.
 
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The rumors of having half the cores as GP104 but 3/4 the bus width and ROP's doesn't make sense unless GP104 is ROP performance limited and it is cheaper long term for Nvidia to build a bigger chip with a wider bus to use GDDR5 instead of G5X.

So it's either a rearranged GPC cluster to get 1536 cores with a 192 bit bus, or its 1280 cores with a 128-bit bus.
 

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The rumors of having half the cores as GP104 but 3/4 the bus width and ROP's doesn't make sense unless GP104 is ROP performance limited and it is cheaper long term for Nvidia to build a bigger chip with a wider bus to use GDDR5 instead of G5X.

So it's either a rearranged GPC cluster to get 1536 cores with a 192 bit bus, or its 1280 cores with a 128-bit bus.

GP106 has a 256bit interface.
 

Mopetar

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GP106 has a 256bit interface.

Seems like a bit needless when they could get by with 192-bit bus. Nvidia said Pascal had some good improvements to memory compression so it shouldn't need as wide of a bus. Add in 8 GHz GDDR5 (what else is going to be used as GDDR5X becomes available?) and it's going to be fine.
 

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I dont think this is about bandwidth and more about the size of the memory. 3GB is not enough anymore.
 

Mopetar

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I dont think this is about bandwidth and more about the size of the memory. 3GB is not enough anymore.

6 GB is plenty for 1080 which is where this card should be marketed. I doubt that they'll sell a 3 GB version at all.
 

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If it's 256 bit then it could be:
1050- 3 GB (1/4 of gpu disabled)
1060- 4/8GB skus with 6-7 Ghz GDDR5
 

crisium

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6 GB is plenty for 1080 which is where this card should be marketed. I doubt that they'll sell a 3 GB version at all.

I'd hope so. I'm fine with 4GB lingering in the $200 and under market for another couple years, but 3GB is not gonna cut it anymore at all.

Then again, in January 2015, Nvidia released the 960 in 2GB only inititially (competing against the 285, which was 2GB exclusive).

And to this day 950 is 2GB only.

So who knows.
 
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That's going to be tough if it only has 1280 cores. It's also likely to be slower than the 480 although it would be in the ballpark.

As long as its in the ball park it will sell very well for NV. They have to price it for the sweetspot where the masses are willing & able to pay. That means ~$179 to 249.

The obvious reason why it can't be $299, is because Polaris 10 exists.

They already have GP106 for the Drive module right? Or was that GP107?
 

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Well, it's nVidia. It's going to be at least $30-50 more than the 8 GB 480 unless it's much slower.

They already have GP106 for the Drive module right? Or was that GP107?

The Drive PX2 is probably 2xGP106 and 2xGP108, although that's just really a guess.
 

sirmo

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unless it has FreeSync support I don't see a point in a 1060 when you have rx480 @ around $200.
 
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unless it has FreeSync support I don't see a point in a 1060 when you have rx480 @ around $200.

Well, the masses prefer NV more, that's their brand power.

If both GPU are identical in performance and other metrics, AMD needs to be cheaper to sell. Or rather, NV can price theirs higher.

The 960 vs 380 situation was not good for the 380 because its more power hungry, so NV sold the slower card for the same price and it outsold the 380 by a huge factor.

However, this time around, I think perf/w will be pretty close. Maybe NV will be more aggressive with their pricing, which is a win for gamers all round.
 

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Well, the masses prefer NV more, that's their brand power.

If both GPU are identical in performance and other metrics, AMD needs to be cheaper to sell. Or rather, NV can price theirs higher.

The 960 vs 380 situation was not good for the 380 because its more power hungry, so NV sold the slower card for the same price and it outsold the 380 by a huge factor.

However, this time around, I think perf/w will be pretty close. Maybe NV will be more aggressive with their pricing, which is a win for gamers all round.
uninformed masses sure..
 

sirmo

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They are the majority. Forum warriors are a very small population.

If AMD wants to regain marketshare, they have to deliver superior performance & perf/w at a similar price, or, massively better perf/$.
yeah, and they you have clueless reviewers like the Jayz2cents and it's no wonder..
 

Mopetar

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I'd hope so. I'm fine with 4GB lingering in the $200 and under market for another couple years, but 3GB is not gonna cut it anymore at all.

I don't think the 1060 will have a 3 GB option (unless it's some OEM only card that's not even branded as a 1060 that was going to the scrap heap otherwise), but both Nvidia and AMD will have >3 GB cards. There are some people who only really play games like LoL that aren't very graphically demanding, so a 3 GB card that can run off bus power is a great deal for that part of the market.
 
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I don't think the 1060 will have a 3 GB option (unless it's some OEM only card that's not even branded as a 1060 that was going to the scrap heap otherwise), but both Nvidia and AMD will have >3 GB cards. There are some people who only really play games like LoL that aren't very graphically demanding, so a 3 GB card that can run off bus power is a great deal for that part of the market.

If you're talking about bus power cards, that's limited to GP107.

We've seen the 1080 -> 1070 transition, 180W -> 150W. Another cut will result in around 125W or so, well above "bus only power".
 
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