GP106 speculations

[selni]

Would be a bit weird if GP106 maintains the full 256bit bus and also uses GDDR5X, if it has half the shader count of GP104. On the other hand I could see Nvidia going for a 256 bit bus if they combine it with GDDR5 instead.

There's surely no chance of GDDR5X when they chose not to on the 1070...?

 

[crisium]

There's surely no chance of GDDR5X when they chose not to on the 1070...?

Indeed, that post you quoted is one of the funnier things said here lately.

That would give GP106 (GTX 1060) more bandwidth than GTX 1070.

If it is 256-bit, which would be very nice, I'd guess 7GHz memory so the 1070 still has some advantage.

 

[itsmydamnation]

depends how late in comes, i bet the lack of GDDR5x in 1070 is all about availability. We all know the 1070 is going to sell many times the amount of cards the 1080 will.

I think the later GP 106 is (relative to right now, not Polaris) the more likely it will use GDDR5x.

 

[TestKing123]

Yes they do, its been shown many times. Just because your card can barely maintain boost clocks while at 90% average usage doesn't disprove throttling.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4mlfme/_/

He returned his SLI 1080 because they were super hot and constantly throttled.

Here's my personal experience with 1080 SLi and Witcher 3:

- At 4k, Witcher 3 is locked at 60 fps 99.9% of the time. Mission accomplished lol. I literally skipped from area to area, testing with fraps. The only time is dropped below 60 is in the outskirts of Kaer Moren, where it dropped to 51 - 56 fps when fighting bears. I haven't seen it drop that "low" anywhere else.

- 1080s are WHISPER QUIET. Let me say this again...my 1080's are QUIETER than my 980 Ti's. Now, this probably means that my 980Ti's were working hard in Witcher and my 1080's do not have to work as hard, hence no need to ramp up the fans.

- Not sure how boosting in SLI works, but both cards boosted to 1886Mhz synchronized and stayed there. I played Witcher 3 straight for 30 minutes, no drop in boost (other than when I hit the menu button).

All in all, this was a terrific purchase for me.

Not sure why there is so much hate for this card. Half the crap I expected (heat, boost, fan loudness, etc..) didn't even come to fruition. Make that ALL the crap I expected.

There is a downside though:

- The 1080 SLi setup, not sure by driver bug or not, lost HDMI audio output on the 2nd card. That means I have to use optical audio out instead of HDMI audio, which is a real bummer. Will have to look into 3rd party solutions.

 

[antihelten]

There's surely no chance of GDDR5X when they chose not to on the 1070...?

You are of course absolutely right, somehow I had gotten into my head that the 1070 also used GDDR5X.

Indeed, that post you quoted is one of the funnier things said here lately.

I aim to entertain

 

[Cookie Monster]

Would be a bit weird if GP106 maintains the full 256bit bus and also uses GDDR5X, if it has half the shader count of GP104. On the other hand I could see Nvidia going for a 256 bit bus if they combine it with GDDR5 instead.

Obviously it would use GDDR5! not GDDR5X. Perhaps GDDR5 at 6~7Gbps instead of the 8Gbps found in the 1070 to further reduce cost. Think that would be plenty enough for a GPU of that caliber.

Looks like the midrange segment will get very competitive in the coming months with P10s and GP106. Both at similar power envelopes (the GP106 will definitely be under <150W below a 1070), probably with very short PCBs and performance that of a GTX980/R390X for $199~$299. Think alot of people might upgrade this generation as opposed to the previous generation(s).

 

[antihelten]

Obviously it would use GDDR5! not GDDR5X. Perhaps GDDR5 at 6~7Gbps instead of the 8Gbps found in the 1070 to further reduce cost. Think that would be plenty enough for a GPU of that caliber.

You're a bit late to the party. I had somehow gotten the idea that 1070 used GDDR5X, hence the mistake.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You're a bit late to the party. I had somehow gotten the idea that 1070 used GDDR5X, hence the mistake.

Oh yeah! haha.

Btw does anyone know when the 1060 is rumored to launch?

 

[antihelten]

Oh yeah! haha.

Btw does anyone know when the 1060 is rumored to launch?

As far as I know we don't even know if the 1060 even exists yet (it almost certainly does, but there is no clear evidence of it).

The only clues available at this point are the existence of the GP106 codename in drivers and this slide (which just says 10XX):

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Roadmap.jpg

As such it's probably safe to say that no one really knows when the 1060 is going to launch.

With that being said though there are rumors like this one, which says that it will launch in August-September.

 

[sontin]

nVidia has shown GP106 at the GTC:
http://www.hardware.fr/news/14589/gtc-200-mm-petit-gpu-pascal.html

 

[happy medium]

As far as I know we don't even know if the 1060 even exists yet

yes it does.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38284476&postcount=3990

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1601090-1-1.html

Quote:

GP104 (GP104-400-the A1, the A1-GP104-200, GP104-150-the A1) GP106 (GP106-400-the A1)

GP104-400-A1 - Geforce GTX 1080
GP104-200-A1 - Geforce GTX 1070
GP106-400-A1 - Geforce GTX 1060

 

[iiiankiii]

I'm not sure why anybody would want to wait for GP106 when Polaris 10 is right around the corner. Am I wrong to assume that? I mean, unless Nvidia wants to eat into the GTX 1070 sales, why wait for the GTX1060 over the upcoming RX480?

The GTX1060 would have to perform with 15% of the GTX1070 and be priced at $249 for it make sense for you to want to wait for it over the RX480. I'm not sure Nvidia would want to do that. Why even wait for something that will probably perform very, very similar to a RX480 at a very similar price? Honest question.

 

[happy medium]

I'm not sure why anybody would want to wait for GP106 when Polaris 10 is right around the corner. Am I wrong to assume that? I mean, unless Nvidia wants to eat into the GTX 1070 sales, why wait for the GTX1060 over the upcoming RX480?

The GTX1060 would have to perform with 15% of the GTX1070 and be priced at $249 for it make sense for you to want to wait for it over the RX480. I'm not sure Nvidia would want to do that. Why even wait for something that will probably perform very, very similar to a RX480 at a very similar price? Honest question.

what if I told you the 1060 will release on June 28th (day before the 480) and will be as fast as a fury nano for 279$?

Would that change things?
honest question.

 

[iiiankiii]

what if I told you the 1060 will release on June 28th (day before the 480) and will be as fast as a fury nano for 279$?

Would that change things?
honest question.

Yes. It would. Now go find me proof.

 

[happy medium]

Yes. It would. Now go find me proof.

after you go find me performance proof.:thumbsup:

 

[iiiankiii]

after you go find me performance proof.:thumbsup:

We know for a fact the RX480 will be releaes on June 29. For a fact. We know roughly how it performs. We've seen some of those benchmarks. We know what to expect from RX480. We know its price. FACTS.

As for the GTX1060. Not a single word on release date. Not a single word on its performance. We can only guess its performance and price bracket. Seriously, can you find me proof that the GTX1060 will be release before Polaris 10? That would actually change my mind.

Don't try to spin it.

 

[happy medium]

the 8gb 480 will be half as fast as a 1080 @ 240$
the 6/8gb 1060 will be 55% as fast as a 1080 for 279$

keep this post for reference in July when we actually see cards on the shelf.

 

[happy medium]

We know roughly how it performs

480 will be half as fast as a 1080....like I said keep my post for reference in July.

 

[iiiankiii]

480 will be half as fast as a 1080....like I said keep my post for reference in July.

So you're GUESSING it would be release in July. Ok. Got it. Thanks for the proof.

 

[happy medium]

So you're GUESSING it would be release in July. Ok. Got it. Thanks for the proof.

no I said you will see both cards on the shelf in july (if we are lucky).

and you are guessing performance of the 480.

take the game AShes for example...
2 480's was a virtual tie with a 1080, and that's with the only game that AMD shines in by as much as 15% over Nvidia.

So if crossfire was working at a meager 85% efficiency it would prove that a single 480 is half the performance of a 1080.
What card is about half the performance of a 1080? a slightly overclocked gtx970.

In conclusion the 200$ 480 should be about on par with a 259$ 390.
The gtx960 was half the speed of the gtx980 and left a large gap between the gtx970 and 960. Therefore I suspect the 1060 will be at LEAST half of a 1080 performance wise.

Performance will be similar between the 480 and 1060 but Nvidia will charge a bit more as usual.

+ or - about 5% because I'm never perfect

 

[kraatus77]

what if I told you the 1060 will release on June 28th (day before the 480) and will be as fast as a fury nano for 279$?

Would that change things?
honest question.

unless 1060 is based on gp104, forget f nano performance. 960 was based on gm206 and it was half of 980, so based on that info it will be half of 1080 means leass than 290 lvl performance.


just look at 380 vs 960, it will repeat again lol. 480 will be better performing with same p/w and lesser price. unless of course they release 1060ti on gp104 with same performance. iin that case kiss goodbye to p/$.

rx480 is a winner here, and only die hard green fan will deny that.

 

[kraatus77]

the 8gb 480 will be half as fast as a 1080 @ 240$
the 6/8gb 1060 will be 55% as fast as a 1080 for 279$

keep this post for reference in July when we actually see cards on the shelf.

done lol, prepare for it.

 

[happy medium]

unless 1060 is based on gp104

its not and has been proven. its based on the gp106

 

[kraatus77]

its not and has been proven. its based on the gp106

Than rx480 > 1060, on performance. just like 380 > 960.

 

[happy medium]

rx480 is a winner here, and only die hard green fan will deny that.

its not a winner till the fat lady sings.