GPU enthusiasts, how much are you actually willing to spend?

[railven]

If that was your goal, you got almost 25% of votes >$600.

So NV probably saw something that popped dollar signs into their eyes because they went for it.

(And we already have $1,000 flag ships - GTX Titan series, we've had it for 3 years now.)

 

[moonbogg]

If that was your goal, you got almost 25% of votes >$600.

So NV probably saw something that popped dollar signs into their eyes because they went for it.

(And we already have $1,000 flag ships - GTX Titan series, we've had it for 3 years now.)

Yes, but they are still only $1,000.00. People wonder why I have a $6000.00 number up there. Its there because it makes sense. They increase the price of a full die card to $1,500.00 and someone buys 4 of them, they are already over 6k before water blocks or whatever else with just shipping costs pushing them over 6k. Tell me you can't imagine Nvidia hiking the price of a Titan up to $1,500.00? Of course they can, and people will pay it. If you are already paying 1k for a card that used to cost 5-$600, then why would you care about a few hundred more? What would that do to the rest of the stack? You might start to see mid range cards approach $1,000 themselves...oh wait, $700 1080 is already there
Why is this bad? Because the good performance goes to the people who can pay high prices, and the rest of us will be stuck with lower mid range class performance, and we'll be paying around $400 for it. Imagine $400 for a GTX 960? That will be our option if this crap is allowed to run away like it has been.

 

[Genx87]

My interest is in the upper spending ranges. I am assuming Nvidia has done their research and came to the solid conclusion that people are willing, without issue, to spend $700 on a mid range card that historically would have cost $250. I want to see that kind of information myself.
So, if people are willing to snatch up a bunch of 1080's at $700 (mid range) that must mean people are also wiling to increase the cost of a full die high end past $1,000. How far past? I want to know.
The poll is fine how it is because it shows what price bracket people are in. There is enough filtering at the low end, or traditional price brackets for dual card setups costing $500 each ($1,000.00 or less) and I want to know how many of you crazy people are willing to sell not only your organs, but the organs of your children and perhaps even pets for a $1,000.00 Nvidia mid range card and $1,500.00 high end card, in SLI, with water blocks or fancy vapor chamber for an extra $350.00.
How far are you guys going to take this? Because Nvidia is testing us. They are testing the market to see how far they can push it, and every generation they push it farther and farther, each time setting a new precedent. This last time they really got cocky and charged an extra hundred for a reference cooler. Maybe that was a trick to make you feel good about spending "only" $600 for an after market mid range card.
Anyway, the poll is fine. The poll is not the problem. People spending $700 on a mid range card? Now that's what you should be complaining about.

The biggest research tool Nvidia has are their sales numbers. If people are willing to pay, Nvidia would be the worst business in the world not to cater to their customers desires.

 

[railven]

Yes, but they are still only $1,000.00. People wonder why I have a $6000.00 number up there. Its there because it makes sense. They increase the price of a full die card to $1,500.00 and someone buys 4 of them, they are already over 6k before water blocks or whatever else with just shipping costs pushing them over 6k. Tell me you can't imagine Nvidia hiking the price of a Titan up to $1,500.00? Of course they can, and people will pay it. If you are already paying 1k for a card that used to cost 5-$600, then why would you care about a few hundred more? What would that do to the rest of the stack? You might start to see mid range cards approach $1,000 themselves...oh wait, $700 1080 is already there
Why is this bad? Because the good performance goes to the people who can pay high prices, and the rest of us will be stuck with lower mid range class performance, and we'll be paying around $400 for it. Imagine $400 for a GTX 960? That will be our option if this crap is allowed to run away like it has been.

Don't know what to say. Capitalism for you? Start buying AMD exclusively to give them the resources/mind-share they need to stop something like this.

There will always be people with money. And companies will always cater to them first. C'est la vie.

EDIT:
This:

The biggest research tool Nvidia has are their sales numbers. If people are willing to pay it Nvidia would be the worst business in the world not to cater to their customers desires.

At some point everyone reaches a point of where they will stop to support a company. It seems you might have reached yours <-@Moonbogg.

 

[Genx87]

Yes, but they are still only $1,000.00. People wonder why I have a $6000.00 number up there. Its there because it makes sense. They increase the price of a full die card to $1,500.00 and someone buys 4 of them, they are already over 6k before water blocks or whatever else with just shipping costs pushing them over 6k. Tell me you can't imagine Nvidia hiking the price of a Titan up to $1,500.00? Of course they can, and people will pay it. If you are already paying 1k for a card that used to cost 5-$600, then why would you care about a few hundred more? What would that do to the rest of the stack? You might start to see mid range cards approach $1,000 themselves...oh wait, $700 1080 is already there
Why is this bad? Because the good performance goes to the people who can pay high prices, and the rest of us will be stuck with lower mid range class performance, and we'll be paying around $400 for it. Imagine $400 for a GTX 960? That will be our option if this crap is allowed to run away like it has been.

Eh the market has spoken. If you dont like what it is saying then dont buy a 400 dollar card.

 

[spinejam]

My new max is $600 for a single card - Fury X.

...I no longer spend thousands on multiple cards at the same time like in the past.


My other hobbies have absorbed much of my discretionary income nowadays. (Harley / Hayabusa / KX450f's)

 

[Phynaz]

Most I've ever spent is $200. I consider $190 the sweet spot.

 

[AtenRa]

(Harley / Hayabusa / KX450f's)

:thumbsup:

Next time try something like that

http://panigale.ducati.com/959/us/?_ga=1.251016006.1598555291.1462895101

 

[Arachnotronic]

Don't know what to say. Capitalism for you? Start buying AMD exclusively to give them the resources/mind-share they need to stop something like this.

There will always be people with money. And companies will always cater to them first. C'est la vie.

EDIT:
This:


At some point everyone reaches a point of where they will stop to support a company. It seems you might have reached yours <-@Moonbogg.

I don't think hurting yourself to "support a company" is a good move. Buy the best product for you, whether it's AMD or NVIDIA. The execs at these companies stuff their pockets with so much cash that one individual's contributions are 100% immaterial.

If a company puts out a product that people want to buy, it will be bought. If they, for whatever reason, can't get that product sold, then it won't sell.

 

[maddie]

Most I've ever spent is $200. I consider $190 the sweet spot.

Serious question.

Considering Polaris this round?

 

[railven]

I don't think hurting yourself to "support a company" is a good move. Buy the best product for you, whether it's AMD or NVIDIA. The execs at these companies stuff their pockets with so much cash that one individual's contributions are 100% immaterial.

If a company puts out a product that people want to buy, it will be bought. If they, for whatever reason, can't get that product sold, then it won't sell.

Who is hurting themselves? I would assume everyone making any kind of purchase is adult/mature enough buy within their means. Which is why I always find it entertaining when someone comes on here and berates someone else for their purchases.

And I agree with you. What's his name, before Su, left with a few million dollars while AMD had to lay off employees. I have zero sympathy for AMD.

 

[maddie]

I don't think hurting yourself to "support a company" is a good move. Buy the best product for you, whether it's AMD or NVIDIA. The execs at these companies stuff their pockets with so much cash that one individual's contributions are 100% immaterial.

If a company puts out a product that people want to buy, it will be bought. If they, for whatever reason, can't get that product sold, then it won't sell.

Wow, look at that, a tautology.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Eh the market has spoken. If you dont like what it is saying then dont buy a 400 dollar card.

Or don't buy THEIR $400 card.

I plan to buy a Polaris 10 the first day I can. I don't care if I don't have a benchmark to go by. I don't care if I don't have the card that "wins" completely on that day in that price bracket.

What sold me on the Polaris 10 was the 7870. Watching the same card compete with the 670, and then the 960 was incredible. The same card competed for two Nvidia generations, or three if you count the 770. THAT is what I want in my next card and I will give AMD the benefit of the doubt they will do it again. But the next card I buy I plan to keep for three plus years, which is why I feel that way.

That would be a fun poll- how long do you keep your cards on average?

 

[nitromullet]

Every time I see someone refer to a 970, 980, 1070 or 1080 class GPU as "mid-range", I have a little "Huh?" moment. I know it's the accepted classification scheme, it's just that they are still way too expensive for me to consider mid-range. I suppose I'm not a serious enough gamer for it to be worth it.

That is actually sort of the point a number of people are making.

For each chip architecture there are a few different actual chips - usually a small one for low end cards, a medium sized one for the mid range, and a big one for the high end. NVIDIA used to launch all of the chips around the same time, and price their product stack according to which chip was on each card. Now, however, they launch cards based on the medium chip first, brand them as the high end, and charge the high end price. Then, usually about a year later, they are launching the big chip, and once again branding it a high end card with the high end price.

The problem that some people have is that they are essentially holding back the big chip in order to artificially inflate the relative performance and value of the mid sized chip. The counter point to this is that the mid sized chip may be smaller than the previous big chip, but if its performance is superior it's still worth the money.

Regardless of where you stand and what you choose to buy, the fact of the matter is that NVIDIA has successfully raised the price on what used to be their mid tier chips.

 

[JustMe21]

I'd spend about $350. I'd be willing to spend more if I could get 980ti performance at total system power consumption around 150W. People like to build overclocking monsters and I want a system that has the best performance within a certain power usage level. Part of the reason is heat and sticking with smaller cases.

 

[moonbogg]

I don't think hurting yourself to "support a company" is a good move. Buy the best product for you, whether it's AMD or NVIDIA. The execs at these companies stuff their pockets with so much cash that one individual's contributions are 100% immaterial.

If a company puts out a product that people want to buy, it will be bought. If they, for whatever reason, can't get that product sold, then it won't sell.

I fully agree and I won't do that. What I am willing to do is actually buy AMD next round. All they have to do is provide a good card that meets my needs. If they provide slow card that has no OC head room, then no, I won't torture myself and be a martyr for them since it won't help anyway. Here's to hoping Vega is badass. Regarding Gsync, who cares. I'll sell the stupid monitor and replace it with a reasonably priced equivalent or better.
People say Nvidia's prices are high due to lack of competition, and that may be true, but it doesn't help that people continue to buy. If they faced a significant backlash and got a clear message that their core enthusiast customers won't take it anymore, then that may have some influence on them if its strong enough.
People running out to snatch up a mountain of $700 mid range cards is not helping. That's why I am talking about it because some people don't realize what the history of such cards was like.
Nvidia charges high end prices 2 or 3 times per generation and we end up with cards that don't last nearly as long in terms of relative performance and driver optimization. Its really bad for us and really good for them, period.

Check this out. Anyone who buys a $700 1080 is going to get absolutely wrecked when the big chips come out and maybe sooner than that if AMD does something interesting. How would you feel if you bought $700 1080 a month from now, and then 6 or 9 months later, possibly 12 months later, a big die chip comes out for the same price and almost TWICE as fast? Jesus that would suck. That's the fail train that is hauling ass right toward future 1080 owners.

 

[n0x1ous]

a big die chip comes out for the same price and almost TWICE as fast? Jesus that would suck. That's the fail train that is hauling ass right toward future 1080 owners.

Im with you on skipping the faux high end mid-range 1080, but these prices just mean that the 1080ti is probably going to be closer to 1k and the titan will be $1500. Probably 30-40% faster based on what we know of the chips to this point.

It is aggravating because I would pay a premium to have the big chip right away and to then know I have the fastest part they make until a new architecture

 

[David_k]

They can just lower the 1080 to 600 and launch the Ti in the 750$ range, Of course they don't have to. the cards will sell otherwise.

 

[railven]

They can just lower the 1080 to 600 and launch the Ti in the 750$ range, Of course they don't have to. the cards will sell otherwise.

But the 1080 is MSRP $600. Which keeps blowing my mind here. It's only $50 more than the 980 MSRP.

Unless everyone here suddenly has a hard-on for reference models made exclusively by Nvidia, why is everyone bending themselves backwards to cite the Founder prices as the de-facto price they'd be paying. EDIT: I'd go on a limb here and say AIB's outsell Nvidia.

This forum plays out like this:
"Reference blowers suck, you don't want them, only go for custom coolers."
<Founder edition get price jacked up, custom models slated to be cheaper>
"WTF!???? THIS IS INSANE!!!! WHY!!!!???!"

/facepalm

 

[IllogicalGlory]

But the 1080 is MSRP $600. Which keeps blowing my mind here. It's only $50 more than the 980 MSRP.

Unless everyone here suddenly has a hard-on for reference models made exclusively by Nvidia, why is everyone bending themselves backwards to cite the Founder prices as the de-facto price they'd be paying. EDIT: I'd go on a limb here and say AIB's outsell Nvidia.

This forum plays out like this:
"Reference blowers suck, you don't want them, only go for custom coolers."
<Founder edition get price jacked up, custom models slated to be cheaper>
"WTF!???? THIS IS INSANE!!!! WHY!!!!???!"

/facepalm

Maybe it's because NV has been suspiciously quiet on when AIB cards hit the market?

NVIDIA’s press release was also very careful to only attach the May 27th launch date to the Founders Edition cards.

The GTX 1070 will be the latter of the two new Pascal cards, hitting the streets on June 10th. Like the GTX 1080, NVIDIA’s press release is very careful to only attach that date to the Founders Edition version, so we’re still waiting on confirmation over whether the base card will be available on the 10th as well.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10304/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-1080-1070/2

 

[railven]

Maybe it's because NV has been suspiciously quiet on when AIB cards hit the market?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10304/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-1080-1070/2

If I had to guess it's to generate interest for their cards? I mean, if they said "AIB's will release June 6th" everyone who isn't rich would most likely say "I can wait two weeks."

 

[railven]

Sooo...

I was thinking. In some post on one of the threads it was mentioned something along the lines that NV told HardOCP they lost money on ref models. My sarcastic post above might have explained, at least to me, why it's possible. EDIT: I don't know of this was the basis of the HardOCP article, I didn't see a link for it.

Most enthusiast avoid reference models. They often sit unsold or have to be moved with discounts. Where as if the chip was used for a non-ref model, it would have a higher likely chance of selling.

I mean, it isn't the ref PCB that is causing those models often to be ignored. Some AIB's use ref PCB with their own custom coolers (EVGA/Zotac pop to mind)

Anyways, just food for thought.

EDIT: Found the HardOCP article:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/09/nvidia_founders_edition_cards_yea_or_nay#.VzIqHlDxqaw

Also mentions Best Buy, which I noticed (and continue to do) they mark up the NV branded cards $50 - $100. So the practice isn't new. It's just now in yo face!

 

[moonbogg]

But the 1080 is MSRP $600. Which keeps blowing my mind here. It's only $50 more than the 980 MSRP.

And the 980 was $50 more than the 680, which itself was $250 more than 560Ti!!! Hell, the mid range 680 was about $150 more than even the 570 which was a big die high end card, second only to the 580.
The cost of fake high end cards continues to rise $50 per generation. As if the 200% instant price hike with the 680 wasn't enough? Jesus people. We are getting obliterated here.
Even before anyone had a 600 series card I made a thread about 600 series pricing and I was blown away by it. A few people raised an eyebrow, but then they opened their wallets. Even I made a fool of myself and caved and got a couple 670's, but I wanted an upgrade and people said GK110 "wasn't a gamer card" so I thought maybe things had changed for good, but I was wrong. We were all wrong and we keep getting wrecked.
Now, tilt your head back and look up and that big blue thing. Its about to start falling! No but seriously, this pricing is perfectly ridiculous.

 

[railven]

And the 980 was $50 more than the 680, which itself was $250 more than 560Ti!!! Hell, the mid range 680 was about $150 more than even the 570 which was a big die high end card, second only to the 580.
The cost of fake high end cards continues to rise $50 per generation. As if the 200% instant price hike with the 680 wasn't enough? Jesus people. We are getting obliterated here.

And the 5870 was $130 more than the 4890!!! And the 7970 was $190 more than the HD 6970!!!! And the 290X was $50 more than the 7970 Ghz!!!! ANd the Fury X was $100 more than the 290X!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

If you want a big die, AMD is your solution. Die size aside, I'll go for the performance

 

[maddie]

And the 980 was $50 more than the 680, which itself was $250 more than 560Ti!!! Hell, the mid range 680 was about $150 more than even the 570 which was a big die high end card, second only to the 580.
The cost of fake high end cards continues to rise $50 per generation. As if the 200% instant price hike with the 680 wasn't enough? Jesus people. We are getting obliterated here.
Even before anyone had a 600 series card I made a thread about 600 series pricing and I was blown away by it. A few people raised an eyebrow, but then they opened their wallets. Even I made a fool of myself and caved and got a couple 670's, but I wanted an upgrade and people said GK110 "wasn't a gamer card" so I thought maybe things had changed for good, but I was wrong. We were all wrong and we keep getting wrecked.
Now, tilt your head back and look up and that big blue thing. Its about to start falling! No but seriously, this pricing is perfectly ridiculous.

Don't you realize that some people who have no problem in spending that quantum prefer it that way? It's an instant differentiator in who's the BOSS.

Just look at almost every other consumer industry. The elites want to be bigger and badder [not misspelt].