GPU For Extreme Budget Gaming Rig

[bunnyfubbles]

Wow, is the P182 that small? I have an Antec 900, and I got a reference 5870 to fit (albeit with a lot of pain, and even then just barely).

if its anything like the P180 (which I still have somewhere here...) then you can just remove that particular hard drive cage to make some room if need be, there's a lower hard drive cage that can house 4 drives which I would imagine should be plenty.

 

[Hyperlite]

If you look at the benchmarks, the 5850 is about twice as fast as the 450. Thats just a terrible card, not really suited for gaming at all, especially not at 1080p.

Wow, little jaded, aren't we? Not really suited for gaming? Are you serious? The 5850 is also twice the price of the GTS450...
I just ordered one. It's a great deal. They are also great overclockers. Pretty tough to argue @ $80.

 

[WMD]

Agree with sapphire 5850 xtreme. It is the best card for the money right now. The next card up, 6870 cost 50% more for avg 5% more performance. Not to mention 5850 is a better overclocker.

 

[toyota]

again...

have any of you guys even asked what model psu that is? surely you know that there is a thermaltake 430 watt psu with only 18 amps on the 12v. and in review it actually could only make 16 amps on 12v. plus that is when it is brand new. if that is what he has then there is no way he can run any decent card.

 

[BFG10K]

With a TDP of 127W I'd expect a 6850 to pull about 10-11 amps on the 12V.

 

[WMD]

again...

I am running acbel ipower 510 with 18A on 12v and it handles both a gtx460, and a 4870 overclocked just fine. A 5850 is lower power than both of these.

 

[brybir]

again...

I dont know what model he has (or what I have for that matter) but I have a thermaltake 430 watt PSU that is about 2 years old.

I run a overclocked PII quad with a oc'd 4870 and a few hard drives and all the other crap and it works out alright. No issues for me. But like you said, may depend on what model he has.

Then again, I am a bit skeptical of the fanatical power supply folks here always giving one reason or another why everyone needs 750W power supplies with 600A per rail (not saying you are saying that Toyota, mostly in reference to the Power Supplies sub-forum).

 

[toyota]

I am running acbel ipower 510 with 18A on 12v and it handles both a gtx460, and a 4870 overclocked just fine. A 5850 is lower power than both of these.

that would not even be possible. you have TWO 12v rails with 18 amps EACH. he has ONE 12v rail that does not even make its rated 18 amps if he has the model psu I think he has. a Q6600 which is far from efficient and uses a ton of power when overclocked and any upper mid range would be too much for a psu with less than 18 amps. what has happened to all the knowledgeable people on this forum?

 

[happy medium]

430W can handle the 5850 despite what AMD may say.

I would say not to chance it. Go with a 99$ 5770, if you can find a good deal.
18 amps on the 12v rail?
11 amps for 5850
8 amps for the cpu ( mabe even more because of overclock)
2 or 3 amps for the motherboard, case fans, hard drive.

Thats 22 amps, 12x22= 262 watts on the 12v rail. I would not try it.

Even a 90 watt 5770 is pushing it with that psu and overclocked cpu.

 

[toyota]

maybe the op will come back to his thread one day and actually list the exact model psu that he has. hopefully its not that model that I think it is but based on the money he spent it probably is. I still cant believe not a single person even questioned anything before giving video card suggestions. heck some of the responses even after I mentioned the potential psu issue are silly at best. this forum is slipping, lol.

 

[happy medium]

Thanks for the help guys, this was actually the card I was eyeing up. And the reviews seem great.

I hope he didn't buy a 5850.:'thumbsdown:
He will be back posting from his cell phone if he did.

 

[toyota]

I hope he didn't buy a 5850.:'thumbsdown:
He will be back posting from his cell phone if he did.

 

[happy medium]

maybe the op will come back to his thread one day and actually list the exact model psu that he has. hopefully its not that model that I think it is but based on the money he spent it probably is. I still cant believe not a single person even questioned anything before giving video card suggestions. heck some of the responses even after I mentioned the potential psu issue are silly at best. this forum is slipping, lol.

Thermaltake 430W PSU

Even the Tr2 model with 2 rails only has a 15 and 14 amp rails and they will not combine for 29 amps. More like 23 amps at best. its not like these psu's are high quality units at only 65% efficiency.

Neither model is ok for a overclocked cpu and a 5850.
ANd the single rail model is junk.

edit: after reading this entire thread, I would agree with Toyota, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. The op has only 2 post and a very budget build and you steerd him into a time bomb.

 

[happy medium]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102932
/thread

more like end of motherboard.:thumbsdown:

 

[happy medium]

maybe the op will come back to his thread one day and actually list the exact model psu that he has.

Mabe he can't, (Poof!) and he doesn't have a cell phone?

 

[WMD]

Thermaltake 430W PSU

Even the Tr2 model with 2 rails only has a 15 and 14 amp rails and they will not combine for 29 amps. More like 23 amps at best. its not like these psu's are high quality units at only 65% efficiency.

Neither model is ok for a overclocked cpu and a 5850.
ANd the single rail model is junk.

edit: after reading this entire thread, I would agree with Toyota, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. The op has only 2 post and a very budget build and you steerd him into a time bomb.

Edit: Ok looks like there IS a model that has only one 12v rail which is only tested to supply 16A. So yes toyota was right better be safe. But in that case even a 5770 would be stretching it. So best option would be upgrade the psu or settle for a 5670.

 

[Campy]

If a new PSU is needed something like this should do nicely http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-017-_-Product

25$ after rebate

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Neither model is ok for a overclocked cpu and a 5850.
ANd the single rail model is junk.

The TR2 would be fine. He has a very low power dual core processor which has a very mild overclock.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-347-_-Product

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/cpu-benchmark-value_9.html#sect0

Under full CPU load total system draw with an E6800 is only 78W. The 5870 alone idles at 20W, other components will suck wattage, and I'm not even considering the efficiency of the PSU since they get their numbers at the wall. So the processor itself should be drawing around 50W, probably less, when fully loaded.

The 5850 is not much of a power hog. When loaded 100% in game it only uses about 120W (10A)
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2126448

Considering he has a dual core, there are plenty of games which won't put a 100% GPU load because of the CPU bottleneck.

His proposed system with a 5850 should draw between 150-200W in gaming scenarios. The TR2 can handle that. The range is the best estimate you can offer, because different games and different situations in specific games will load components differently. His system won't be balls to the walls the entire time.

 

[happy medium]

He has a very low power dual core processor which has a very mild overclock.

A very mild overclock? 2.4 to 3.6 is very mild? That cpu will pull about 95 watts or about 8 amps.
The 5850 will pull about 11 more amps.
Don't forget about the motherboard itself and the 4gb of memory, the hard drives and case fans and led lights also. They are all on the 12v rail.

The tr2 is a low budget crap psu with a 65% efficiency rating 2 rails at 14 and 15 amps. I would bet the cheap psu does not combine the rail to = 29 amps also.

cpu = 8 amps
5850 = 11 amps
motherboard chipset 2 amps
fans, and hard drive 2 amps

23 amps running on a cheap psu with a combined rating of less than 29 amps.

Why would anyone take chances like that with a budget build that they can probrobly barley afford?

Better question why would you chance someone elses entire system, just to try to be right because he just might squeeze by with an inferior psu.

A 40$ psu could save his system, why take the chance of steering the guy in the wrong direction?

Toyota was right, this forum and it knowledge base is going into the crapper.

 

[happy medium]

If a new PSU is needed something like this should do nicely http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-017-_-Product

25$ after rebate

Excellent post Campy, thats how you back your fellow members. :thumbsup:
That psu is bullet proof compared to the crappy TR2.:thumbsup:

 

[cusideabelincoln]

A very mild overclock? 2.4 to 3.6 is very mild? That cpu will pull about 95 watts or about 8 amps.
The 5850 will pull about 11 more amps.
Don't forget about the motherboard itself and the 4gb of memory, the hard drives and case fans and led lights also. They are all on the 12v rail.

cpu = 8 amps
5850 = 11 amps
motherboard chipset 2 amps
fans, and hard drive 2 amps

23 amps running on a cheap psu with a combined rating of less than 29 amps.

LOL, you didn't even look at my links, did you? What I said is true for the scenario I presented. Is it more likely he has the Core 2 Duo @ 3.66 GHz or the Pentium E6600 @ 3.66 GHz?

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42807
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27250

The TR2 can safely handle a Pentium E6600 and a Radeon HD 5850, which is what I was saying if you paid attention to the links.

Toyota was right, this forum and it knowledge base is going into the crapper.

"Don't forget about the motherboard itself and the 4gb of memory, the hard drives and case fans and led lights also. They are all on the 12v rail."

"The tr2 is a low budget crap psu with a 65% efficiency rating 2 rails at 14 and 15 amps. I would bet the cheap psu does not combine the rail to = 29 amps also."

Memory uses the 3.3V. Hard drives use 5V and 12V. The motherboard uses all the rails.

And do you realize efficiency has no bearing on how much DC output the power supply is capable of delivering? The way you are wording your "argument" here implies you may not.

Why would anyone take chances like that with a budget build that they can probrobly barley afford?

Better question why would you chance someone elses entire system, just to try to be right because he just might squeeze by with an inferior psu.

A 40$ psu could save his system, why take the chance of steering the guy in the wrong direction?

You're really going to use this argument? Really? Ok then.

There's a chance being taken no matter what you do. I'm simply explaining the scenario, and I've used links with data facts to back up what I'm saying. You have not provided any sources, just a lot of assumptions and unsupported data.

Xbitlabs uses a very similar system as the OP in the I provided.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/cpu-benchmark-value_9.html#sect0

Under a full CPU, with power draw measured at the wall, the entire system drew 78W with the 3.33 GHz E6800. They also had a 5870 in the system. If you place the 5850 into the system, and load it up under a gaming situation, it would use 100W more than the system at idle. You add 100W to 78W and what do you get? You pretty much get the worst-case scenario max gaming power draw of the entire system. And that is well within the capabilities of the TR2.

And I never said he shouldn't get a new power supply. You are assuming I did. And this is where you argument fails, along with the inconsistency of you talking about different components than I am.

 

[happy medium]

And do you realize efficiency has no bearing on how much DC output the power supply is capable of delivering? The way you are wording your "argument" here implies you may not.

Yes I do realize,but I also realize thats most if not all 65% efficient psu's are crap.

And I never said he shouldn't get a new power supply

In so many words you are saying he doesn't need a new power supply by arguing, which is the same as saying take a chance with the TR2 piece of crap.

 

[happy medium]

There's a chance being taken no matter what you do. I'm simply explaining the scenario, and I've used links with data facts to back up what I'm saying. You have not provided any sources, just a lot of assumptions and unsupported data.

Xbitlabs uses a very similar system as the OP in the I provided.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...e_9.html#sect0

Under a full CPU, with power draw measured at the wall, the entire system drew 78W with the 3.33 GHz E6800. They also had a 5870 in the system. If you place the 5850 into the system, and load it up under a gaming situation, it would use 100W more than the system at idle. You add 100W to 78W and what do you get? You pretty much get the worst-case scenario max gaming power draw of the entire system. And that is well within the capabilities of the TR2.

what all these words for?

Just say Toyota and Happy are right, you should not chance your system with that piece of crap psu.
It's easy believe me, it feels good to do the right thing.:thumbsup:

 

[cusideabelincoln]

In so many words you are saying he doesn't need a new power supply by arguing, which is the same as saying take a chance with the TR2 piece of crap.

Keep using the straw man fallacies. So far you haven't presented any sources to back up the claims you have been making. All you are doing is spinning what I'm saying (straw man). Weren't you just ranting about how you are trying to stop that?

what all these words for?

Just say Toyota and Happy are right, you should not chance your system with that piece of crap psu.
It's easy believe me, it feels good to do the right thing.

Toyota would agree the TR2 would work fine. I've presented the facts clear as day. There is a reason he asked about the specific model, because there is a TR2 model and there is a model with only one +12V rail. If he thought both models would not work, then there would be sense in even asking for what model of the 430W he has.

The right thing here is showing you the facts, which you have yet to accept. Just agree that the facts I presented are true and accurate (Summary: Pentium E6600 + 5850 + system would draw less than 200W from the wall). It's easy believe me. It feels good.

 

[happy medium]

Pentium E6600 + 5850 + system would draw less than 200W from the wall).

This is total BS. I'm not even gonna argue against such ridiculous statements. You really out did yourself.