GPU Prices are crazy... what's reasonable for a 1070 or 1080?

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fleshconsumed

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It's just people hopping onto the bandwagon at the very top. We've seen this with bitcoin, we've seen this with litecoin, with doge, and now with ethereum. It always follows the same pattern, coin is out for a while, but it suddenly skyrockets, gains lot of exposure in mainstream media and suddenly every Joe wants in. Ironically that is the exact point when it is too late to jump in as the difficulty goes up exponentially and stays up even if the price of the crypto (and profitability) goes down like it did with ETH. This is how you end up like that guy with 150 cards and no power to run them. And just like with the other crypto booms there is always delayed reaction to the crash and difficulty rise, people will keep on mining and adding capacity because they got the hardware and do not want to sell it at a loss, because they do not want to admit they effed up. I'd like for GPU prices to come down soon, but given what I know about past crypto booms and crashes, we will not see reasonable prices until the crypto revenue goes down below the cost of electricity. That is the point when most people will finally start shutting down and selling their hardware. I'd like to buy 580, but realistically speaking I do not expect reasonable prices until about a month after electricity costs more than mining revenue. That's when people will start giving up and flooding ebay with used hardware. I think we're still about 3 months away from that point.
 

whm1974

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By the time prices drop on current high end cards, the new generation of GPUs will be out.
 

Head1985

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By the time prices drop on current high end cards, the new generation of GPUs will be out.
And miners will buy out them too and we wont see volta untill new generation is out.PC gaming is dead.It will be cheaper buy console than mid range GPU like GTX1060/2060 because miners.
 

whm1974

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And miners will buy out them too and we wont see volta untill new generation is out.PC gaming is dead.It will be cheaper buy console than mid range GPU like GTX1060/2060 because miners.
I doubt that PC gaming will die because of this. Not every game even AAA titles requires a mid-range to high end card to play well.
 

seitur

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I doubt that PC gaming will die because of this. Not every game even AAA titles requires a mid-range to high end card to play well.

With GPU prices staying high for long enough, it will decimate PC AAA gaming, leaving PC as indie & F2P gaming platform on APUs / small budget cards.

Mining affecting PC gaming for long time is unsustainable for AAA portion of gaming. High-end (1080, 1080ti, Titan, VEGA, etc) consumers won't be enough.
 

Head1985

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LOL. Might be the most absurd thing I've read on here in a long time.
Well if one year old midrange GTX1060 cost more than Ps4 pro then who will buy it?Almost nobody.And its like this few months already.Bitcoin is still almost at 3000USD so mining craze will not end.
GTX1060 and 1070 cost almost double MSRP.GTX1080 + 50% MSRP.
AMD cards are non existent last 2-3 months from rx460 UP.
 

whm1974

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Well if one year old midrange GTX1060 cost more than Ps4 pro then who will buy it?Almost nobody.And its like this few months already.Bitcoin is still almost at 3000USD so mining craze will not end.
GTX1060 and 1070 cost almost double MSRP.GTX1080 + 50% MSRP.
AMD cards are non existent last 2-3 months from rx460 UP.
Yeah, but how many gamers are even using mid-range to high end GPUs to begin?
 

seitur

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Yeah, but how many gamers are even using mid-range to high end GPUs to begin?
Midranges cards - quite a lot. AAA games sales on PC depend on consumers that buy GPU like RX 470, RX 570, GTX 970, GTX 1060, etc Do you remember that GTX 970 used to be single most popular DX11 GPU on Steam? More Steam players had GTX 970 than Intel HD 4000 or 750ti back in 2016.

GPU prices being so high as they are now for long time, will in time decimate mid range GPU players from PC space which will hurt AAA gaming on PC.
 

whm1974

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Midranges cards - quite a lot. AAA games sales on PC depend on consumers that buy GPU like RX 470, RX 570, GTX 970, GTX 1060, etc Do you remember that GTX 970 used to be single most popular DX11 GPU on Steam? More Steam players had GTX 970 than Intel HD 4000 or 750ti back in 2016.

GPU prices being so high as they are now for long time, will in time decimate mid range GPU players from PC space which will hurt AAA gaming on PC.
I'm not saying that the high prices won't hurt PC gaming, it will. But I doubt that PC gaming will die because of it.
 

Qwertilot

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If it really persists, then they'll adapt and then its just more money for NV/AMD. Especially handy for AMD I guess, as NV already have plenty!
 

TeknoBug

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If it really persists, then they'll adapt and then its just more money for NV/AMD. Especially handy for AMD I guess, as NV already have plenty!
It's not as simple as that, most card manufacturers doesn't like the mining craze because they end up having to keep supply high and when mining dies out then they run risk of being stuck with a huge amount of supply that nobody's going to be buying and the RMA abuse hurts the market as well.
 

seitur

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I'm not saying that the high prices won't hurt PC gaming, it will. But I doubt that PC gaming will die because of it.
Not PC gaming. AAA PC gaming.

Indie/F2P/MMO/Strategy/E-Sport, etc PC gaming will be alright.

There are already people auctioning off their gaming PCs on auction/gumtree-like websites saying that they are switching to PS4Pro.
Ofc not those ones that have thousands $$$ worth new PC with 1080ti or SLI setups, but those with medium power gaming rigs.

This will be long process cause AAA PC gaming market is big, but if GPU prices stay high, then AAA gamers will gradually leave which will over time result in worse multiplatform AAA game PC ports which will further increase amount of players leaving and so on.


Prices of medium / medium-high GPUs like RX 570,580 GTX 970,1060,1070, etc are absolutely crucial for AAA PC gaming.

Let me say this again - PS4Pro Price = GTX 1060/RX570 in my country and that is only because ETH price dropped a bit. For quite a bit of time PS4Pro was actually much cheaper than RX 570/580.
 
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whm1974

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Not PC gaming. AAA PC gaming.

Indie/F2P/MMO/Strategy/E-Sport, etc PC gaming will be alright.

There are already people auctioning off their gaming PCs on auction/gumtree-like websites saying that they are switching to PS4Pro.
Ofc not those ones that have thousands $$$ worth new PC with 1080ti or SLI setups, but those with medium power gaming rigs.

This will be long process cause AAA PC gaming market is big, but if GPU prices stay high, then AAA gamers will gradually leave which will over time result in worse multiplatform AAA game PC ports which will further increase amount of players leaving and so on.


Prices of medium / medium-high GPUs like RX 570,580 GTX 970,1060,1070, etc are absolutely crucial for AAA PC gaming.

Let me say this again - PS4Pro Price = GTX 1060/RX570 in my country and that is only because ETH price dropped a bit. For quite a bit of time PS4Pro was actually much cheaper than RX 570/580.
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't be happy at all switching from PC to a game console for gaming. Of course I'm the kind of person who would have a PC anyway. And I yes I'm also hoping the this mining fad crashes big time and as soon as possible.
 

ZGR

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Well if one year old midrange GTX1060 cost more than Ps4 pro then who will buy it?Almost nobody.And its like this few months already.Bitcoin is still almost at 3000USD so mining craze will not end.
GTX1060 and 1070 cost almost double MSRP.GTX1080 + 50% MSRP.
AMD cards are non existent last 2-3 months from rx460 UP.

Used GTX 970's are a great price right now. That is all a new PC gamer needs.
 

seitur

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Used GTX 970's are a great price right now. That is all a new PC gamer needs.
Maybe in USA they are. In Europe used cards spiked in price. Used GTX 970 sells for 275$ (tax inc.) or more, for bad/below average AIB versions, 250$ for blower / reference default cards, good AIB cards can sell for 300$. That is for GPU that is 3 years old.

If you think that is "great price right now" and such price points will fly with customers then well, we have diffrent opinions.
 

ozzy702

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Maybe in USA they are. In Europe used cards spiked in price. Used GTX 970 sells for 275$ (tax inc.) or more, for bad/below average AIB versions, 250$ for blower / reference default cards, good AIB cards can sell for 300$. That is for GPU that is 3 years old.

If you think that is "great price right now" and such price points will fly with customers then well, we have diffrent opinions.

True, it sure is nice to live in the USA. I don't know how you European gamers do it. The mining craze will be over soon enough, people just need to be patient.
 

ozzy702

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people like you are reason Pc gamers cant buy any GPU last 3 months

So? Again, you anger is misplaced. AMD and NVIDIA easily could have seen the state of the market and adjusted accordingly. POW is nothing new and has been around since 2009 and been red hot for 18 months. If you want to be mad at someone, direct it towards AMD and NVIDIA for being clueless. I game as well and don't feel bad for one second about my purchases, especially since I didn't jump on the bandwagon and pay crazy prices for my gear.
 

seitur

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True, it sure is nice to live in the USA. I don't know how you European gamers do it. The mining craze will be over soon enough, people just need to be patient.
They don't need to be patient at all. They can make any decision they want to, not waiting on anything. Either situation will resolve (due to crash of crypto and/or actions taken by GPU producers) or it will start hurting AAA PC gaming longterm. It propably already have.

I agree with you that ball is on the side of AMD & NVIDIA, and they better not burry their heads in the sand this time if they want to keep selling their GPUs to mainstream AAA PC Gamers long term.
 
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whm1974

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They don't need to be patient at all. They can make any decision they want to, not waiting on anything. Either situation will resolve (due to crash of crypto and/or actions taken by GPU producers) or it will start hurting AAA PC gaming longterm. It propably already have.

I agree with you that ball is on the side of AMD & NVIDIA, and they better not burry their heads in the sand this time if they want to keep selling their GPUs to mainstream AAA PC Gamers long term.
We really a third vendor to supply GPUs besides AMD and Nvidia.
 

2is

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LOL. Might be the most absurd thing I've read on here in a long time.

You must not spend a whole lot of time here.

Is PC gaming dead? No. Is it hurting? Yes. I've seen several posts across multiple forums of people looking to build and can't find a decent GPU at a reasonable price. This is directly related to the health of PC gaming. If you think otherwise, you're pretty clueless.
 
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