Question GPU pricing should clearly be higher across the board, but by how much?

[moonbogg]

The 6600XT is sold out everywhere with pricing between $4-600 roughly. That card would normally cost roughly $2-250. I think gamers are buying these. They aren't getting all snapped up by miners. Also, gamers have shown a willingness to pay $2000 for a 3080Ti on ebay. I think it's clear that if Nvidia and AMD simply increased prices across the board by 2-4X, they'd still sell every card instantly.
What price range do you think people would buy cards at? I propose the following for honestly being perfectly reasonable and acceptable (meaning, people will pay it). If a product instantly sells out, that means people spend no time deliberating. It's a no-brainer purchase which means there is a lot of room left to increase prices until sales start to flatten out a little and normalize. If something sells out instantly you can charge more easily.

I think the following prices moving forward, pandemic or not, would still see every model sell out instantly.

Low-end (X50 class) - $400 (faster than integrated solutions, so should cost more than a high end APU)
X60 - $800 (not a stretch considering 6600XT sold out at $600)
X70 - $1500
X80 - $2000
X80Ti - $2500
Titan - $3000-$5000

 

[moonbogg]

People would pay more for everything even toiletpapir if there's a lack of supply or no competition. It has nothing to do with the product itself but is a simple question of supply and demand.

You would run into other practical constraints before running into a GPU demand limit. For instance, the world would run out of CPUs to run mining farms before GPU demand is satisfied. Electricity would be all used up before GPU demand is met. Financial resources/credit limits would be exhausted before GPU demand could be met, but once mining profits kick in, that affords for even more GPUs still. More GPUs = more money, so it's not possible even in principle to meet GPU demand given the current circumstances. Imagine wafer supply and all other necessary component supply increasing by a literal 3X. This would never happen because the gamble and risk is just too great and the cost would be hilarious, but imagine it did happen. The first thing Jensen would say is "we expect the GPU shortages to continue to last well into the next 12 to 18 months." The situation for gamers wouldn't change at all because there will always be a miner or scalper willing to pay 3x msrp for the same product and they'd all sell out before they're even officially released.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah I know. It might make more sense at the next in store BB from to get a 3090 FE and water block it. Those are only 1499

Ooohhh that sounds sexy
Do it

 

[biostud]

You would run into other practical constraints before running into a GPU demand limit. For instance, the world would run out of CPUs to run mining farms before GPU demand is satisfied. Electricity would be all used up before GPU demand is met. Financial resources/credit limits would be exhausted before GPU demand could be met, but once mining profits kick in, that affords for even more GPUs still. More GPUs = more money, so it's not possible even in principle to meet GPU demand given the current circumstances. Imagine wafer supply and all other necessary component supply increasing by a literal 3X. This would never happen because the gamble and risk is just too great and the cost would be hilarious, but imagine it did happen. The first thing Jensen would say is "we expect the GPU shortages to continue to last well into the next 12 to 18 months." The situation for gamers wouldn't change at all because there will always be a miner or scalper willing to pay 3x msrp for the same product and they'd all sell out before they're even officially released.

Only if you believe miners and scalpers have unlimited resources to buy videocards. Because if what you say is true, we will never se a normal videocard market as long as they are useful to miners.

 

[VirtualLarry]

"Nothing will kill miners, we are like cockroaches "

https://www.reddit.com/r/NiceHash/comments/pm5yyk

I don't necessarily agree with that sentiment; we are after all "blockchain validators".

 

[moonbogg]

Only if you believe miners and scalpers have unlimited resources to buy videocards. Because if what you say is true, we will never se a normal videocard market as long as they are useful to miners.

Compared to gamers, miners and mining companies have unlimited resources. They can easily outspend the gamers and the cards will always go to them. So long as GPU mining is even remotely profitable, then gamers won't be getting cards. If GPU mining is here to stay, then the nature of the GPU will never be the same again. It will be a mining/compute product first and will happen to be able to play games if you can find someone to program drivers for it. Driver development for playing games on such a device would be highly unlikely and only sophisticated hobbyists would be able to pull that off, probably just to see if it could be done. I imagine one day people will talk about how these expensive compute boards used to be primarily for gaming, and it will seem strange and impossible that it used to be that way. By then most people won't care though and GPUs will no longer be in the consciousness of mainstream people.

 

[biostud]

You would run into other practical constraints before running into a GPU demand limit. For instance, the world would run out of CPUs to run mining farms before GPU demand is satisfied. Electricity would be all used up before GPU demand is met. Financial resources/credit limits would be exhausted before GPU demand could be met, but once mining profits kick in, that affords for even more GPUs still. More GPUs = more money, so it's not possible even in principle to meet GPU demand given the current circumstances. Imagine wafer supply and all other necessary component supply increasing by a literal 3X. This would never happen because the gamble and risk is just too great and the cost would be hilarious, but imagine it did happen. The first thing Jensen would say is "we expect the GPU shortages to continue to last well into the next 12 to 18 months." The situation for gamers wouldn't change at all because there will always be a miner or scalper willing to pay 3x msrp for the same product and they'd all sell out before they're even officially released.

So nvidia and AMD should actually just drop all board partners and sell all graphics cards themselves as they're guaranteed to sell them all at much higher prices than originally anticipated?