GPU sag killing 2080TI cards

[igor_kavinski]

The wife ended up loving the PC more and stole it.

Barbie will do that to women

 

[BFG10K]

If these cards are sagging to the point of damaged hardware, lawsuits need to happen because they're not fit for purpose.

We can discuss whether ATX or cases need to change, but the fact is, if vendors want to make these monstrously large heavy cards, it's absolutely not the customer's job to use lego barbie dolls to prop them up.

 

[coercitiv]

My easy sag fix.

 

[mv2devnull]

https://www.serverparts4less.com/616077-001-hp-nvidia-quadro-5000-pci-e-2-5gb-gddr5-graphics-card/ Do note the metal plate on the front end that slides to rails that (at least HP workstation) case might have.

Silverstone had cases, like Raven, that had insides tilted 90 degrees: https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/cases/silverstone-raven-rv02-review/1/ Sag that.
(Then again, the heatpipe designers may not have expected that orientation.)

 

[Kocicak]

My easy sag fix.

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I suspect there should be many more baloons for that to actually work properly.

 

[coercitiv]

I suspect there should me many more baloons for that to actually work properly.

There's more baloons on the next floor.

 

[Kocicak]

A nice ornamented wheel (or a speampunk version of it) mounted on the wall with a string over it and some unexpected weight would work too...

 

[In2Photos]

Vertical mount FTW.

 

[fleshconsumed]

https://www.serverparts4less.com/616077-001-hp-nvidia-quadro-5000-pci-e-2-5gb-gddr5-graphics-card/ Do note the metal plate on the front end that slides to rails that (at least HP workstation) case might have.

Silverstone had cases, like Raven, that had insides tilted 90 degrees: https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/cases/silverstone-raven-rv02-review/1/ Sag that.
(Then again, the heatpipe designers may not have expected that orientation.)

FYI - DO NOT buy vertical cases like that unless you plan to watercool your videocard. Heatpipes and vapor chambers work really really poorly in vertical orientation. I have SilverStone FT05 case which was a cool case with a cool concept, but it is just not practical when it comes to cooling. For one, all AM4/5 chips have CCDs are physically located on the bottom of the package in a traditional motherboard orientation, if you flip motherboard 90 degrees you may have potential pressure issues with one of the CCDs with big tower coolers. But most importantly, as implied, heatpipes and vapor chambers don't work in vertical orientation. I've got Sapphire Pulse 6800. In normal vertical orientation in FT05 my GPU fans would spin at 3000 RPMs with hotspot hitting 100 degrees C, flipping FT05 case on the back so that the motherboard and GPU are traditionally oriented resulted in 20 degree lower hotspot temp at around 80C and fan speed of just 1500RPMs.

DO NOT buy vertical cases. You've been warned.

 

[SamMaster]

My easy sag fix.

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So after building (liquid) nitrogen fuelled PCs, people will now build helium fulled PCs.

 

[Golgatha]

FYI - DO NOT buy vertical cases like that unless you plan to watercool your videocard. Heatpipes and vapor chambers work really really poorly in vertical orientation. I have SilverStone FT05 case which was a cool case with a cool concept, but it is just not practical when it comes to cooling. For one, all AM4/5 chips have CCDs are physically located on the bottom of the package in a traditional motherboard orientation, if you flip motherboard 90 degrees you may have potential pressure issues with one of the CCDs with big tower coolers. But most importantly, as implied, heatpipes and vapor chambers don't work in vertical orientation. I've got Sapphire Pulse 6800. In normal vertical orientation in FT05 my GPU fans would spin at 3000 RPMs with hotspot hitting 100 degrees C, flipping FT05 case on the back so that the motherboard and GPU are traditionally oriented resulted in 20 degree lower hotspot temp at around 80C and fan speed of just 1500RPMs.

DO NOT buy vertical cases. You've been warned.

Regarding heat pipes and vapor chambers, those both use a wicking layer of material to return liquid to the heatsink. There is an optimal orientation using gravity to assist the return of liquid, but it's probably 90%+ efficient even in an inverted orientation where the liquid is being wicked and returned to the heatsink against gravity.

 

[John Carmack]

FYI - DO NOT buy vertical cases like that unless you plan to watercool your videocard. Heatpipes and vapor chambers work really really poorly in vertical orientation. I have SilverStone FT05 case which was a cool case with a cool concept, but it is just not practical when it comes to cooling. For one, all AM4/5 chips have CCDs are physically located on the bottom of the package in a traditional motherboard orientation, if you flip motherboard 90 degrees you may have potential pressure issues with one of the CCDs with big tower coolers. But most importantly, as implied, heatpipes and vapor chambers don't work in vertical orientation. I've got Sapphire Pulse 6800. In normal vertical orientation in FT05 my GPU fans would spin at 3000 RPMs with hotspot hitting 100 degrees C, flipping FT05 case on the back so that the motherboard and GPU are traditionally oriented resulted in 20 degree lower hotspot temp at around 80C and fan speed of just 1500RPMs.

DO NOT buy vertical cases. You've been warned.

I was told otherwise

Also nonsense

 

[VirtualLarry]

Look at that GPU sag, even in "professional pre-builts"!

 

[fleshconsumed]

I was told otherwise

Also nonsense

You first link shows that you should not install cooler with heatpipes pointing down, it's because it's much harder for condensed fluid to work its way up the wick fighting against gravity.

Same warning is posted on IceGiant website - the evaporative chamber cannot be above the radiator (https://www.icegiantcooling.com/pages/support):
"The ProSiphon Elite will perform similiarly in both orientations. One of the ways that the patented ProSiphon technology differentiates itself from previous thermosiphon designs is that it can operate in the vertical orientation. The 'ProSiphon Elite' page provides more information regarding orientation.
However, the ProSiphon Elite cannot operate if the evaporator is completely above the condenser."

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about vertical videocard like in post 34 from @In2Photos I'm talking about case like Silverstone FT05 or Segotep T1 where motherboard is rotated 90 degrees. This really hampers video card heatpipe/vapor chamber effciency. Do not buy those cases.

 

[MrTeal]

That would be an interesting test if you have an open air test bench. Run Furmark until you reach steady state, then rotate 90°. I wouldn't expect to see a huge difference.

 

[fleshconsumed]

That would be an interesting test if you have an open air test bench. Run Furmark until you reach steady state, then rotate 90°. I wouldn't expect to see a huge difference.

I already posted my first hand experience. I have Silverstone FT05 and Sapphire Pulse 6800 card (200-210W TDP). In default case orientation I hit 100C hotspot and GPU fan speed of 3000 RPM. I actually have the case flipped right now on it's "back" so that the videocard is parallel to the ground, and I get 80C hotspot with fans staying in 1500-1600RPM range. It's a bit janky to run a case like that, but the temperature/noise difference is just too much to ignore. FT05 was a cool fun case, but it's just not practical. I'm hoping Fractal updates Define 8 series soon so that I can get a more traditional layout.

 

[Dave3000]

2.5 cm to 13.9 cm: https://www.amazon.com/Bracket-Magnetic-Graphics-Support-Adjustment/dp/B0BK3S72SN/

EDIT: This one starts at 6.7 cm: https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Support-Graphics-Adjustable-Aluminum/dp/B09NB9MSWF?th=1

4.6 cm and above: https://www.amazon.com/Antec-Support-Graphics-Addressable-Connector/dp/B091BRV8Y8?th=1

I think I like this one: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Vetroo-V...ations-Easy-Install/1117949928?from=topicPage

Large magnetic base and you can secure the GPU snugly from above and below.

I ended up buying the EZDIY-FAB one. Is it ok to have the rubber pad of the support make contact with the heatsink fins of the GPU? Will the rubber pad melt on this GPU support if I do it this way? Is it better to place this device under the edge of the video card even if the fins of the heatsink or lower than the edge of the video card, meaning only the sharp edge is the only surface area that it would be resting on by doing it this way? What I'm basically asking is if heat transferred from the GPU to the heatsink can melt rubber if it's in contact with the heatsink?

 

[igor_kavinski]

What I'm basically asking is if heat transferred from the GPU to the heatsink can melt rubber if it's in contact with the heatsink?

In the pictures, the bracket isn't touching any heatsink fins so better to not do that. Just put it in contact with the edge of the graphics card shroud.

 

[MrTeal]

Unless your fans completely fail, the edges of your heatsink fins should never get hot enough to melt rubber. Plain rubber is ~180°C, silicone rubber 450°C. Even with no fans running you'll be under 100°C

 

[aigomorla]

My easy sag fix.

When you have friends over, you can compress the He, in those ballons, and make it into Liquid He2, then bench your PC with it.

 

[coercitiv]

Here comes the 3000 series to help the trend, only this time it appears Gigabyte deserves more attention:

 

[aigomorla]

This is why i am a fan of cases which allow either horizontal mounting of videocard, or a hanging version like the Raven style now used on Thermaltake Tower series.

 

[BFG10K]

Pretty soon M.2 SSDs will also need anti-sag brackets with the ridiculous coolers on them. I've never been a fan of heavy CPU coolers, either. Hanging three quarters of a kilo from the CPU socket - even with a backplate - doesn't fill me with confidence.

I've actually gone back to an Intel stock cooler. I use the black LGA1200 version with copper slug on my LGA1151 9600K and it works perfectly. Very quiet once you tune the fan curve in the BIOS. I have it pretty much always running at 1300rpm and it's just as quiet as my 120mm case fans @ 700rpm. And now there's lots of room to access M.2, RAM and fan headers around the CPU socket.

~$2, and it came in a plain cardboard box with pre-applied thermal paste. Perfect.

 

[aigomorla]

lol... i prefer water cooling all my personal machines which i have unrestricted access to.
I remember working on my PC a few months back doing a flush, and my father looks at me going when did computers evolve so much they needed oil changes.

I told him when they get as expensive as a couple of grand, with the gpu itself costing 4 figures.

But i am quite addicted to GPU watercooling, as i have seen noticable performance difference on them, as the boosting profile on the RTX cards are higher when the core caps at around 45C loaded.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Here comes the 3000 series to help the trend, only this time it appears Gigabyte deserves more attention:

I'm with Buildzoid on this one. It's shipping damage. PCBs are not that easy to crack.