Grade redistribution in college

[Dimkaumd]

Okay you know how all liberals and socialists love taking your money away so that it can be redistributed to all the "unfortunate" ones.

Heres an Idea.

Colleges work similar to countries if you think about it. Every college has a diverse student body of kids with different intellectual levels. There are:

1)kids who are geniuses and dont need to work to get good grades
2)kids who are smart and get good grades by studying
3)kids who do ok and study hard
4)kids who dont study and do poorly
5)kids who are unfortunate because they study and study but still get bad grades (they were born that way)

Maybe more but for the sake of the arguement these 5 will suffice.

So lets take a socialist principle. Grade redistribtion. If you think about it, it is unfair that there are kids who get good grades and dont study. I mean there are plenty of kids who put in hours or hard work, pull all nighters, read every assignment and the best they can hope for is a C. so why dont we shuffle GPA around. If the avarage college GPA is about 2.8....we can tax the smart kids and take away a lil bit of GPA from them to give to the dumber kids. The genious kids are the ones who have it the easiest so we can tax them the most. Someone with a 4.0 can be taxed .3 - .4 GPA points and that can be distributed amongst the students who are lazy or who were born with less than avarage IQs. this way everyone will have an equal opportunity to get a job out there and have money. Because we all know no1 is going to hire you if you had a 2.0 in college, i mean u must be a real retard in order to have such a GPA.

So what do you think? Sounds awesome doesnt it? i mean its completely justified...its not fair that naturally smart kids have all the advantage. But....wait a second..whats the insentive for smart kids to do well then?? And what incentive is there for avarage kids to try harder??? you are right there is none...such a system would collapse...

Now...you still think income redistribution is a great idea?? yeah why dont we take away bill gates's money..he doesnt need it and its not fair that he can afford a 100 million dollar house??!!

That is the crux of it all....justice is when each is given his or her own due. Your due is what you have earned ... not what you have stole from someone else!

 

[MonstaThrilla]

I was going to stop reading when you used the classic "you liberals and socialists" hatespeak, but then I kept reading. Then I read how you so cannily grouped all college students into exactly five (why not six?) categories, and I literally laughed out loud.

:beer:

Oh and the short response: You're using a strawman argument (a fallacy). No one wants to "take away bill gates's money".

 

[oreagan]

Yes, this is an AMAZING analogy and you have completely turned me around on this issue. After all, there is NO difference between GPA points and money to buy food in order to live.

 

[Todd33]

Wow, you are a genius!!!

Oh wait, another anti-tax thread from some kid who is in college that proably gets plenty of Federal funds and he doesn't even pay taxes.

 

[RabidMongoose]

ummmkay

 

[Dimkaumd]

actually i dont get federal funds...i have some loans though that i will have to repay after i graduate...the point of this piece is to show an analogy...in either case redistribution is not justified...dont get me wrong im not against taxes..nor do i think that the wealthy shouldnt pay a bit more taxes....I just dont like the liberal/socialist ideology of lets turn anyone who is wealthier than avarage upside down and shake up until we can get all the quarters out of their pocket...and liberal/socialist isnt meant to be hate-speech...that is a political classification just like conservative is...i dont c y u get offended?

 

[Todd33]

I said the school gets federal funds, not you. You'd be amzed how the tax dollars are used to spur the economy, science, and technology. I know Limbuagh and the such barf stories about black welfare moms with six kids sucking up free money, but the truth is far from that. I make plenty of money, I pay plenty of taxes. I don't bitch about it.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I take it from the quality of your presentation of this argument that you fall into Category 4.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

I make plenty of money, I pay plenty of taxes. I don't bitch about it.

Instead you bitch that rich people don't pay enough taxes. I am shocked liberals don't embrace the flat tax standard. Isn't fairness and equality what you want?

 

[totalcommand]

this is possibly the worst analogy i've ever seen. the fact that you wrote this out really shows that you have some balls.

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

I make plenty of money, I pay plenty of taxes. I don't bitch about it.

Instead you bitch that rich people don't pay enough taxes. I am shocked liberals don't embrace the flat tax standard. Isn't fairness and equality what you want?

since you liked to show your racism in another thread, i'll respond to this to show you that you need to learn to read and use logic. the poster was saying that he was rich, and he doesn't care that he pays a lot of taxes.

 

[Dimkaumd]

Actually I fall somewhere in category 2...i study and get pretty good grades...but that has nothing to do with it. Look yes taxes are neccesary for defense, roads, education and a plethora of other programs. But much of the taxes could be eliminated and used for better things. Let there be school vouchers so that kids could go to good schools and create competition within private school "industry". privitize Social Security so that people can invest half of their SS money into other means of retirement investments and make more money and spur the economy..and most of all stop spending the money frivilously on many BS govt programs. Its time we gave ppl an incentive to work and vreate more jobs and wealth in this country.

 

[Dimkaumd]

He showed racism?? um...when was race mentioned??? I dont c generalgrievous saying that he is white black or hispanic...do you?

 

[totalcommand]

don't care. he's said crap in other threads and that's enough for me to want to shut him down.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
don't care. he's said crap in other threads and that's enough for me to want to shut him down.

What did he say? Man, there are a lot of racists and discriminatory people on these forums.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

I make plenty of money, I pay plenty of taxes. I don't bitch about it.

Instead you bitch that rich people don't pay enough taxes. I am shocked liberals don't embrace the flat tax standard. Isn't fairness and equality what you want?

It's quite logical. Tax those more who have the means to pay - tax those less who have less means available to them. What is so hard to understand about that?

SOCIAL equality is what most individuals concerned with social progress (I'm not going to use 'liberal' here) are concerned with, not necessarily equality in ALL areas; they are concerned with equality of opportunity, equality of rights. Equality in taxation is completely unrelated to political or social rights. I have no idea where you're drawing this equivocation from.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: totalcommand
don't care. he's said crap in other threads and that's enough for me to want to shut him down.

What did he say? Man, there are a lot of racists and discriminatory people on these forums.

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

GeneralGrievous, So blacks and hispanics are intellectually inferior? I get annoyed with minorities complaining about racism but after reading your racist comment, I'll have to reconsider their complaints.

Do whatever you want, but there is no denying the truth. I'm not going to get into a discussion about this, but the evidence is out there, in many places. Of course, they would rather complain than do something about it. How typical.

But, all other things being equal, having wealth itself provides a great capability to make more wealth, regardless of your personal traits. To put it in your language, a retarded person with millions of dollars could easily make tons more money by hiring someone to invest his dollars, even though he is retarded. A innately brilliant person with little or no money has a very tough road to make more money

If you want to talk about investments, its also easier for a rich person to lose large sums of money.

 

[Rainsford]

You can't argue a point by analogy, the whole concept is flawed. You are essentially arguing that a specific instance of a general case can be used to prove another specific instance of that general case. Your logic boils down to "I see an animal. It has black fur. It is a dog. My friend has a dog. My friend's dog should have black fur." Don't think that's what you're doing? Does, "Grade redistribution is a form of redistribution of assets. Grade redistribution is bad. Taxing the rich more is a form of redistribution of assets. Therefore taxing the rich more is bad." sound familiar?

The problem with arguing by analogy is in order for it to work, you have to show how your analogy is EXACTLY the same as the situation you are trying to prove. Since grades!=money in all but the most general sense, your argument doesn't work. Analogy can serve as an example, but as a core argument it just doesn't fly.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

I make plenty of money, I pay plenty of taxes. I don't bitch about it.

Instead you bitch that rich people don't pay enough taxes. I am shocked liberals don't embrace the flat tax standard. Isn't fairness and equality what you want?

The more money I make, the more I expect to pay. I'd rather pay 40% on $1 million than 15% on $40,000.

A flat tax cannot work, so why bother talking about it?

 

[Dimkaumd]

madcow...look i dont neccesarily believe in a flat tax rate..but if you think about it.....if there was a flat tax rate in effect the rich would still pay a lot more....
if everyone had to pay 30% taxes
a person who makes 100,000 would pay 30,000 in taxes
a person who makes 30,000 would pay 10,000 in taxes....

i dont think it should be quite that..but this idea that we must take away more from the "privilaged" isnt right either.
the rich take a lot less from the budget anyways and give a lot more...
the rich less use less public services like police (because they live in safe neighborhoods) they use less roads, they usually go to private schools, and dont depends on welfare of medicaid
and they contribute more because they usually spend a lot more (that goes back into the economy) and they hire people (create jobs) and invest in equipment and in stock market.

so I wouldnt say that the rich or even middle class owe something to anyone else....

the example I used should illustrate that to some degree...you should keep what you work for, regardless of how u get it (as long as its legally - or in my example - obviously someone who cheats shouldnt get a good grade)

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: totalcommand
don't care. he's said crap in other threads and that's enough for me to want to shut him down.

What did he say? Man, there are a lot of racists and discriminatory people on these forums.

I'd say that a large majority of them are social Darwinists (at least, that's how they behave online). Don't take someone's 'online persona' to be their actual character. The lack of face-to-face contact with others, the anonymity afforded by the internet, other factors can contribute to how and what people post. I take most stuff on this forum with a grain of salt.

 

[Dimkaumd]

Rainsford...I understand what your saying...and the grade redistribution analogy is not the basis for my arguement...its just a facetious way to look at the situation....obviously there has to be some fluctuation in tax rates...no1 is arguing that...but the large discrepancies in tax brackets are not justified.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

A flat tax cannot work, so why bother talking about it?

I assumed people would understand what I meant. It's a flat tax rate, not a flat tax period.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Dimkaumd
madcow...look i dont neccesarily believe in a flat tax rate..but if you think about it.....if there was a flat tax rate in effect the rich would still pay a lot more....
if everyone had to pay 30% taxes
a person who makes 100,000 would pay 30,000 in taxes
a person who makes 30,000 would pay 10,000 in taxes....

i dont think it should be quite that..but this idea that we must take away more from the "privilaged" isnt right either.
the rich take a lot less from the budget anyways and give a lot more...
the rich less use less public services like police (because they live in safe neighborhoods) they use less roads, they usually go to private schools, and dont depends on welfare of medicaid
and they contribute more because they usually spend a lot more (that goes back into the economy) and they hire people (create jobs) and invest in equipment and in stock market.

so I wouldnt say that the rich or even middle class owe something to anyone else....

the example I used should illustrate that to some degree...you should keep what you work for, regardless of how u get it (as long as its legally - or in my example - obviously someone who cheats shouldnt get a good grade)

In theory this is alright...and I always liked the idea of a flat tax rate. But here's the problem. If we assume the US needs more money than a fair flat tax rate would provide, who should pay a higher rate, the rich or the poor? It's not about "fair", it's about how much money we need and who can contribute at a higher rate without ending up on the street.

Now, I think the first step in fixing the tax system is stopping the government from spending too much bloody money. I think with a reasonable budget a flat tax rate just might work and be fair to everyone. But that's not the case at the moment.

 

[Dimkaumd]

Rainsford I agree with you..and I understand that there r times when the government needs more money than can be allocated from taxes...and yes your absolutley right...in that instance the government should spend a lot less because most of it goes to waste...or go into defecit...but dont forget that by reducing the taxes would result in more spending and investment by people and would create a lot of new wealth for people and for the government...which in turn would probably fill the deficit gap...
I dont neccesarily agree with the way Bush is doing it either. He cut taxes and I praise him for that..but hes been spending a lot of unneccesary money too.
Solution is cut taxes AND spending at the same time!

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Dimkaumd
actually i dont get federal funds...i have some loans though that i will have to repay after i graduate...the point of this piece is to show an analogy...in either case redistribution is not justified...dont get me wrong im not against taxes..nor do i think that the wealthy shouldnt pay a bit more taxes....I just dont like the liberal/socialist ideology of lets turn anyone who is wealthier than avarage upside down and shake up until we can get all the quarters out of their pocket...and liberal/socialist isnt meant to be hate-speech...that is a political classification just like conservative is...i dont c y u get offended?

Well stop leeching off the government and go pay your own way through college. You sound like a huge hypocrite with your "loans".