Graham "hell bent" on replacing Supreme Court Justice

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SlowSpyder

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she will, after trump.

She should have ~3 years ago. What if "after Trump" is six years from now? I'm not convinced her health will allow her to stay on, even if the mind is willing. Heck, two years might be a tall order for her at this point.
 
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fskimospy

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She should have ~3 years ago. What if "after Trump" is six years from now? I'm not convinced her health will allow her to stay on, even if the mind is willing. Heck, two years might be a tall order for her at this point.

She might die, but she won't retire while Trump is president. Country first.
 
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SlowSpyder

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She might die, but she won't retire while Trump is president. Country first.

She may not have a choice. She's had quite a few health challenges as of late. Looks like she was another smug leftist all but assured of queen Hillary's victory. She should have retired under Obama, but she was selfish and now has a very real possibility of ceding her position to a Trump-appointed judge. Guess time will tell.
 
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You know Slow,I’m okay with it.

This isn’t saying it won’t be a shit storm but it’s a shit storm that needs to happen.
 

fskimospy

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She may not have a choice. She's had quite a few health challenges as of late. Looks like she was another smug leftist all but assured of queen Hillary's victory. She should have retired under Obama, but she was selfish and now has a very real possibility of ceding her position to a Trump-appointed judge. Guess time will tell.

Of course she has a choice, there is no mechanism to force the retirement of a SCOTUS justice outside of impeachment.
 
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dawp

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She should have ~3 years ago. What if "after Trump" is six years from now? I'm not convinced her health will allow her to stay on, even if the mind is willing. Heck, two years might be a tall order for her at this point.
do you really think mcconnell would have allowed a vote on her replacement? one year before the election? did you not see what he did with garland?
 

SlowSpyder

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Of course she has a choice, there is no mechanism to force the retirement of a SCOTUS justice outside of impeachment.


Sometimes health issues make that decision for people. That's all I'm getting at. No matter how much she wants to stay on, she may not be able to. And as you said, she could certainly die ala Anthony Scalia. She isn't a beacon of good health as of late, and she's no spring chicken.
 

fskimospy

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Sometimes health issues make that decision for people. That's all I'm getting at. No matter how much she wants to stay on, she may not be able to. And as you said, she could certainly die ala Anthony Scalia. She isn't a beacon of good health as of late, and she's no spring chicken.

Nope - outside of her death her health would not make that decision for her. She could simply decide to continue to occupy her seat from a legal perspective even if she wasn't actually attending the court or voting on anything.While Trump is president I predict as long as she is alive she will not retire.
 
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K1052

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Before anybody argues that McConnell would not have eliminated the filibuster for judicial appointments please deposit that take in the garbage. He kept dozens of judgeships open in an unprecedented level of obstructionism just in case his party got the WH back. This culminated in preventing Garland's confirmation. He wasn't going to sit there and not fill those seats.
 

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Before anybody argues that McConnell would not have eliminated the filibuster for judicial appointments please deposit that take in the garbage. He kept dozens of judgeships open in an unprecedented level of obstructionism just in case his party got the WH back. This culminated in preventing Garland's confirmation. He wasn't going to sit there and not fill those seats.

Yes, it would take a truly stupid person to think that McConnell would have left the filibuster in place. Remember when Republicans were going to eliminate it under Bush but a deal was made to keep it and only use it in 'extraordinary circumstances'? Yeah, Republicans threw that agreement in the trash almost immediately once they lost power.

Similarly, anyone who thinks McConnell will not fill a SCOTUS seat if one becomes open in 2020 because of the 'Biden Rule' they are either mentally handicapped or lying. He doesn't care that it will expose his previous position as a lie.
 

K1052

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Yes, it would take a truly stupid person to think that McConnell would have left the filibuster in place. Remember when Republicans were going to eliminate it under Bush but a deal was made to keep it and only use it in 'extraordinary circumstances'? Yeah, Republicans threw that agreement in the trash almost immediately once they lost power.

Similarly, anyone who thinks McConnell will not fill a SCOTUS seat if one becomes open in 2020 because of the 'Biden Rule' they are either mentally handicapped or lying. He doesn't care that it will expose his previous position as a lie.

McConnell would fill a vacancy in the lame duck even if the GOP lost both houses of Congress and the presidency by a landslide. The only limits on what he won't do to fill judgeships is what he legally can't do. Dude has explicitly said this is his sole political goal.
 

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McConnell would fill a vacancy in the lame duck even if the GOP lost both houses of Congress and the presidency by a landslide. The only limits on what he won't do to fill judgeships is what he legally can't do. Dude has explicitly said this is his sole political goal.

I'm really torn. Andy Beshear is KY AG. He has been a massive thorn in the side and the lone adult in the room as a check against our fuckwitt Governor. Beshear is challenging him for Governor this year. I almost would rather him run against McConnell for Senate in 2020. He's young and has name recognition. But if Beshear can bump Bevin this year that's still a good thing.
 

K1052

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I'm really torn. Andy Beshear is KY AG. He has been a massive thorn in the side and the lone adult in the room as a check against our fuckwitt Governor. Beshear is challenging him for Governor this year. I almost would rather him run against McConnell for Senate in 2020. He's young and has name recognition. But if Beshear can bump Bevin this year that's still a good thing.

Yeah, McConnell's popularity is rather...not good nationally. Not sure how it is in KY but he doesn't exactly cut the figure of a man out to actually do much for his constituents.
 

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Before anybody argues that McConnell would not have eliminated the filibuster for judicial appointments please deposit that take in the garbage. He kept dozens of judgeships open in an unprecedented level of obstructionism just in case his party got the WH back. This culminated in preventing Garland's confirmation. He wasn't going to sit there and not fill those seats.
Exactly. Prior to Obama in the entire history of this country a minority party had used the filibuster to hold up 86 judicial nominations. McConnell held up 82. It was an unprecedented level of obstruction and Reid really had no choice in order to allow the country to function. Then he went to a new level of unprecedented obstruction when he refused to hold hearings on Merrick Garland, violating his Constitutional duty.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Factually, Trump wasn't elected by the people of the country.

Factually, the founding fathers set up the electoral college to elect our president. Demo's didn't win so they start crying and bellow- aching on anything that that they think will promote their cause. Obviously you fall into that camp. Do you know what it would take to repeal what the founding fathers set up in our constitution? Not gonna happen and you won't see it. Sooooo...democrats will continue this rhetoric as they continue to lose.

Yes, i understand that HC won the popular vote....Trump won the electoral college vote.

Do you understand that the electoral college is what determines who wins the presidency?

Factually there is no exemption from Trump being indicted on criminal matters and the Founding Fathers made no immunity for him and being an expert on the Constitution, do you know why impeachment itself is an explicit option? Ben Franklin had input as you must know and the threshold for impeachment has long past. But the Republicans aren't interested in the law or the Constitution so I should not complain about people who aren't arguing about invalidating Trump based on ignoring the Constitution. No, that would be your lot.
 

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Ah yes.. yet again, the "Party of Personal Responsibility" seeks to avoid responsibility for their own actions by blaming the Democrats.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Ah yes.. yet again, the "Party of Personal Responsibility" seeks to avoid responsibility for their own actions by blaming the Democrats.


They have no choice. They rowed the ship of state out to sea and set it alight with no escape. They can't flee and they can't stay. What else but to blame everyone else for their actions?
 

dank69

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McConnell would fill a vacancy in the lame duck even if the GOP lost both houses of Congress and the presidency by a landslide. The only limits on what he won't do to fill judgeships is what he legally can't do. Dude has explicitly said this is his sole political goal.
I would not be surprised to see Thomas and Alito retire during the lame duck session just so Trump and McConnell could ram their replacements through before Democrats took over.
 
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SlowSpyder

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You bring up a good point Dawp, the EC was won by President Trump. Now you do know that each state has X amount of electoral votes (depending on state size)? In each state THE PEOPLE vote for their respective candidate. There are a total of 538 electoral votes in the U.S. Trump earned 306 electoral votes from THE PEOPLE in each respective states and whoever wins the popular vote wins the electoral vote. HC won 232 electoral votes from THE PEOPLE in each respective state.

Hillary got schooled...that is why she failed as the democratic nominee for president. I agree, she won the popular vote....so did Gore but Bush won the seat. Unless you demo's can win the upper midwest your ship will not sale.

Now I hope you make an effort to UNDERSTAND how the process is done.

I know you know this, just think you're not willing to accept the fact...in typical fashion I might add.


They keep going on about the popular vote, congrats to them on winning a contest that doesn't mean anything. I love the electoral college, we are a nation of states with individual laws and cultures to an extent. The only reason Clinton got the popular vote was because very blue state CA voted very blue. The electoral college has meaning and exists to buffer these things. Trump won fair and square, end of story. Now the left creates imaginary boogiemen to try and protect their bubble, they were SO sure Hillary was going to win in a landslide. They can't come to terms with the reality that Hilary was simply a bad candidate and Trump ran a great campaign. It was non-traditional, but a great campaign.
 

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I would not be surprised to see Thomas and Alito retire during the lame duck session just so Trump and McConnell could ram their replacements through before Democrats took over.

Well let's hope Trump is charged before then.
 
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