Graham says he will introduce bill to ‘set the stage’ for US to use military force in Mexico

[Jaskalas]

You ought to write it being a deadly chemical when used incorrectly. Works damned well when used appropriately.

Being mixed, at lethal doses, into other substances and killing 80,000 Americans annually....
Just touching a bag of it will kill you....

Makes it sound like a standout poison that is flooding our streets.
Is that description wrong?

But I will reiterate and make my stance clear. America is in no condition to fight such a war. Justified or not, it would be felt here at home. And we are barely keeping our own shit together. So I consider Graham's proposal ill advised. But that doesn't mean we should do nothing. We have options other than waging war.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is about Fentanyl and physically stopping the cartels that are delivering up to 379 million lethal doses annually.
Seems there are roughly 100k overdose deaths annually.
And 80% of that is attributed to Fentanyl.

It could be argued that Mexico's cartels are providing a literal deadly poison that is killing 80,000 Americans every year.
That's a lot of soldiers we could lose every year and still come out ahead.

Something should probably be done, not sure it's that, but something. It's worth discussing the causes and solutions to those deaths from a deadly chemical.

100k? Well shit, there’s plenty of other things killing more Americans every year. Guess we can’t talk about it /shrug

 

[ch33zw1z]

You ought to write it being a deadly chemical when used incorrectly. Works damned well when used appropriately.

the WoD keeping things criminal is a huge driving force behind over dose deaths. People are not getting consistency, and the margin of error is tinier with each opioid iteration

 

[Pens1566]

Being mixed, at lethal doses, into other substances and killing 80,000 Americans annually....
Just touching a bag of it will kill you....

Makes it sound like a standout poison that is flooding our streets.
Is that description wrong?

But I will reiterate and make my stance clear. America is in no condition to fight such a war. Justified or not, it would be felt here at home. And we are barely keeping our own shit together. So I consider Graham's proposal ill advised. But that doesn't mean we should do nothing. We have options other than waging war.

To the point of the poster you're quoting, ask a provider in a pain management clinic to treat their patients WITHOUT using fentanyl products. They'll either laugh at you and walk away, or change specialties entirely. Yes, it's that useful.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Being mixed, at lethal doses, into other substances and killing 80,000 Americans annually....
Just touching a bag of it will kill you....

Makes it sound like a standout poison that is flooding our streets.
Is that description wrong?

But I will reiterate and make my stance clear. America is in no condition to fight such a war. Justified or not, it would be felt here at home. And we are barely keeping our own shit together. So I consider Graham's proposal ill advised. But that doesn't mean we should do nothing. We have options other than waging war.

legalize and regulate, that’s the answer.

 

[brycejones]

This is about Fentanyl and physically stopping the cartels that are delivering up to 379 million lethal doses annually.
Seems there are roughly 100k overdose deaths annually.
And 80% of that is attributed to Fentanyl.

It could be argued that Mexico's cartels are providing a literal deadly poison that is killing 80,000 Americans every year.
That's a lot of soldiers we could lose every year and still come out ahead.

Something should probably be done, not sure it's that, but something. It's worth discussing the causes and solutions to those deaths from a deadly chemical.

Oh yes because the war on drugs has been so victorious so far. The only answer is to double down.

 

[hal2kilo]

Remember the Alamo?

 

[kt]

This is about Fentanyl and physically stopping the cartels that are delivering up to 379 million lethal doses annually.
Seems there are roughly 100k overdose deaths annually.
And 80% of that is attributed to Fentanyl.

It could be argued that Mexico's cartels are providing a literal deadly poison that is killing 80,000 Americans every year.
That's a lot of soldiers we could lose every year and still come out ahead.

Something should probably be done, not sure it's that, but something. It's worth discussing the causes and solutions to those deaths from a deadly chemical.

If you want to go strictly by numbers, what do you propose for these deaths that are much higher in deaths compared to fentanyl overdose?
140,000 people die from excessive alcohol use in the US each year.
480,000 deaths related to tobacco use in the US each year.

 

[kage69]

More theater from Lady G.

I think he wants a shocking issue to associate himself with, a cross to climb up onto because he needs something to blame when it's time to face the music for trying to subvert the 2020 election. He ain't no chickenshit fascist sucking traitor who doesn't give a shit about the voters! Nooo, he's a cartel fighting patriot who is suddenly very, very concerned about Americans dying from both fentanyl and guns!

'I'm in the crosshairs of George Soros and the Clintons because I've declared war on the cartels poisoning Murica!' or some such stomach turning rot. They don't give a shit about dates. Callin it now.

 

[Meghan54]

To the point of the poster you're quoting, ask a provider in a pain management clinic to treat their patients WITHOUT using fentanyl products. They'll either laugh at you and walk away, or change specialties entirely. Yes, it's that useful.

Not to mention a hella effective pre-op drug.

Had a nephew-in-law who managed to OD on a fentanyl patch. He’d cut them open and eat the crap. He caught the ultimate high and is currently exploring alternate states-of-being.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Same old graham he wants to send tens of thousands of troops everywhere.

 

[A///]

I really wish Leslie were still alive. One day he could have played the part of Graham.

 

[dawp]

I really wish Leslie were still alive. One day he could have played the part of Graham.

na, peter sellers channeling inspector clouseau

 

[Puffnstuff]

Kinda like the movie, Sicario.

Love that movie series.

 

[A///]

na, peter sellers channeling inspector clouseau

Not that Leslie.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Not that Leslie.

Surely you must be joking

 

[A///]

Surely you must be joking

Need to watch Airplane again.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Its time to reign in the cartels.

 

[Paratus]

Its time to reign in the cartels.

Did you get short changed on deal with em?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Its time to reign in the cartels.

You know what's a hell of a lot cheaper than illegal drugs? Legal drugs.

If you want to crush them, make the price of their goods plummet.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You know what's a hell of a lot cheaper than illegal drugs? Legal drugs.

If you want to crush them, make the price of their goods plummet.

"Legal" street drugs are the solution to nothing. Curing addiction, jailing users and seizing drugs is the only reasonable solution.

Look at what we have now in California. You have a black market for untaxed drugs that is THRIVING there because they are able to use the cover of legality to work in the shadows, supply the legal shops and spread their poison all over America.

In fact, cartels are taking advantage of the stupidity of "legal" drugs. In California, when they find illegal grows they give those present the equivalent of misdemeanor tickets and send them away. The cartels laugh at this!

 

[ch33zw1z]

"Legal" street drugs are the solution to nothing. Curing addiction, jailing users and seizing drugs is the only reasonable solution.

Look at what we have now in California. You have a black market for untaxed drugs that is THRIVING there because they are able to use the cover of legality to work in the shadows, supply the legal shops and spread their poison all over America.

In fact, cartels are taking advantage of the stupidity of "legal" drugs. In California, when they find illegal grows they give those present the equivalent of misdemeanor tickets and send them away. The cartels laugh at this!

Facts, the WoD is an immense failure.

The language in your post is so cringe worthy. "street" drugs are only "street" drugs due to policy choices.

Cherry picking CA as your example ignores all the states who aren't struggling with it.

Taking the Cartel's power away by changing our strategy is the only reasonable solution, as your solution is what's created the cartel's in the first place.

More chest beating and violence will only change what cartels are doing in an area.

The WoD has given them enormously powerful control over wherever they are, ironically thru the same means you think will stop them.

Time for the old farts like you to admit that your 50 year war was another waste.

#dealwithit.

 

[brycejones]

jailing users ... is the only reasonable solution.

Yeah, that's worked fucking wonders so far. How to tell us you aren't remotely serious without telling us.

 

[mikeymikec]

"Legal" street drugs are the solution to nothing. Curing addiction...

Whoa, wait, hold up, this sounds like progressive thinking here!

, jailing users and seizing drugs is the only reasonable solution.

Ah ok, we're back to the regular scheduled conservative programming for the last ~5 decades, because it's worked ever so well so far.

The day that you show a genuine interest in curing addiction is the day that you'll have to turn in your conservative card.

 

[Fenixgoon]

"Legal" street drugs are the solution to nothing. Curing addiction, jailing users and seizing drugs is the only reasonable solution.

Look at what we have now in California. You have a black market for untaxed drugs that is THRIVING there because they are able to use the cover of legality to work in the shadows, supply the legal shops and spread their poison all over America.

In fact, cartels are taking advantage of the stupidity of "legal" drugs. In California, when they find illegal grows they give those present the equivalent of misdemeanor tickets and send them away. The cartels laugh at this!

So what's your opinion on the prohibition era? Ban alcohol to MAGA? Because there's no reason why alcohol shouldn't be treated the same,using your logic. Alcohol is mass producible, addictive, and deadly.

Or do you not see the parallels between the prohibition era and our current "war on drugs"?