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Lifer
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Bought new phone, full pricing off contract month to month pricing, didn't change plan options. Currently paying $65 month for unlimited 4GLTE on a Droid DNA with a company discount.
 

Insomniator

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WiFi. Use it.

If even 1 out of 50 users had your kind of usage, these mobile networks would not function.

Using it to provide Internet service to the whole office while streaming HD video with commercials is just wrong.

Charging $100 a month for one smart phone with 2GB of data that I cannot even tether with is just plain wrong.

How about they tell/show us where our money is going before lowering service and upping prices again?
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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Charging $100 a month for one smart phone with 2GB of data that I cannot even tether with is just plain wrong.

How about they tell/show us where our money is going before lowering service and upping prices again?

Where does that "$100" price come from? Paying $30 for unlimited TXTing or something? What does that have to do with using excessive data?
 

Insomniator

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Where does that "$100" price come from? Paying $30 for unlimited TXTing or something? What does that have to do with using excessive data?

My monthly bill is $99 after taxes and fees. That's 40 for Nationwide Talk 450, 30 for unlimited data, 10 for texting and 7 for insurance.

If I switched to a new sharing plan with 2GB would it not be the same?
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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My monthly bill is $99 after taxes and fees. That's 40 for Nationwide Talk 450, 30 for unlimited data, 10 for texting and 7 for insurance.

If I switched to a new sharing plan with 2GB would it not be the same?

I guess it depends on your provider. You listed $87, not $100.

Still, the amount you pay is not at all related to the point that you should not be approaching these levels of data usage. AznAnarchy99 is on track to use 44GB this month. Even 10GB is pushing what would be considered reasonable.
 
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AznAnarchy99

Lifer
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I guess it depends on your provider. You listed $87, not $100.

Still, the amount you pay is not at all related to the point that you should not be approaching these levels of data usage. AznAnarchy99 is on track to use 44GB this month. Even 10GB is pushing what would be considered reasonable.

He said after taxes and fees.



Google Play is just after normal app updates..
 

Insomniator

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I guess it depends on your provider. You listed $87, not $100.

Still, the amount you pay is not at all related to the point that you should not be approaching these levels of data usage. AznAnarchy99 is on track to use 44GB this month. Even 10GB is pushing what would be considered reasonable.

So why are these phones marketed with 5 inch screens and kickstands for movie viewing, coming preloaded with netflix or amazon etc? If we have to use wifi for them then we are probably at home to using our normal computer anyway. For a commuter taking the train an hour and back to work every day, 10GB probably wouldn't be enough to watch an episode of breaking bad on Netflix each way.

The GB levels are ridiculous. If it were 30 dollars for 10GB and $50 for 25GB then I might be OK with it. 2GB and 4GB is pathetic and goes against the whole idea of a 'mobile entertainment system'.

2GB should be FREE for people to use email and browse the web on these smart phones, which is all most do anyway. So why not $30 for 10GB? Unless there is something HUGE I'm missing... these companies are making out like BP and Exxon.
 

Chess

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Bought new phone, full pricing off contract month to month pricing, didn't change plan options. Currently paying $65 month for unlimited 4GLTE on a Droid DNA with a company discount.

Yeah that isnt bad honeslty 65 a month i geto 20% off minutes and 25% off data a month......

full price for an iphone bllows though lol
 

Anubis

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I don't get 40 mbit on WiFi...

i almost do, i just never toggle wifi on at home, mostly because i forget

i just looked at my VZW page ive averaged just under 6BG a month for the past 6 months, highest was just under 9

i dont watch videos on my phone its all from streaming music (google play & slacker) app DLs/updates and web browsing, i dont even consider myself a heavy user, i have no idea how people use so little data

a buddy of mine is pissed about the change because his wife needs a new phone. they are on a share plan now and both have unlimited, he used prob close to 8 GB a month himself and his wife is in the 3-5 GB range. a tiered plan for him will basically dbl his bill .

most if not all of his data use comes from streaming music at work as well
 

Ichinisan

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So why are these phones marketed with 5 inch screens and kickstands for movie viewing, coming preloaded with netflix or amazon etc? If we have to use wifi for them then we are probably at home to using our normal computer anyway.
Because WiFi is almost ubiquitous? Seriously...WiFi is one of the defining features of a smartphone.

For a commuter taking the train an hour and back to work every day, 10GB probably wouldn't be enough to watch an episode of breaking bad on Netflix each way.
Watching 2 hours of streaming HD every day is excessive data use. Browse the web. Read forums and blogs. Watch the occasional video clip. It's what mobile data was actually meant for. Heck, I bet the train has WiFi.


The GB levels are ridiculous. If it were 30 dollars for 10GB and $50 for 25GB then I might be OK with it. 2GB and 4GB is pathetic and goes against the whole idea of a 'mobile entertainment system'.
They play video just fine from internal storage. They play games. If you think of your smartphone as a "mobile entertainment system," where did you get the idea that streaming HD video is the primary entertainment function? It's priced that way so you will understand that the network currently can't handle that kind of heavy data use from more than a few customers. You're probably in the top 10% of data users abusers.

2GB should be FREE for people to use email and browse the web on these smart phones, which is all most do anyway. So why not $30 for 10GB? Unless there is something HUGE I'm missing... these companies are making out like BP and Exxon.
Uh, networks in my area are still crippled from excessive data use. They need higher capacity before they can offer that kind of pricing. Still, they definitely don't invest enough revenue in infrastructure enhancements. A lot of that is the fault of local governments that block towers from being built where they are needed most ("not in MY backyard!").
 

Ichinisan

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I don't get 40 mbit on WiFi...

I get 30mbps on WiFi at home. I've measured almost 60mbps on LTE in Atlanta. What does that matter? I don't think Netflix on a phone will have any more detail on a 40m connection versus 30mbps (or even 15mbps).
 

dingster1

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I just may end up switching. Right now on unlimited me and my son use less than 1 gig of data together with 2 smartphones. I'm a heavy texter. Our unlimited right now is at $197.00 going to SE it drops to $150.00.
 

ponyo

Lifer
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Why do you care if he's using lot of data? It's his right to do so if he chooses. Verizon isn't going to give him a discount if he uses less. How about VZ first start rebating millions of customers who use less data per month than their allotted plan. It's simple. If VZ doesn't want him to use all that data, they need to offer him compensation or bribe to change his behavior. Or buy him out. Just like any business deal.
 

Insomniator

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Because WiFi is almost ubiquitous? Seriously...WiFi is one of the defining features of a smartphone.


Watching 2 hours of streaming HD every day is excessive data use. Browse the web. Read forums and blogs. Watch the occasional video clip. It's what mobile data was actually meant for. Heck, I bet the train has WiFi.



They play video just fine from internal storage. They play games. If you think of your smartphone as a "mobile entertainment system," where did you get the idea that streaming HD video is the primary entertainment function? It's priced that way so you will understand that the network currently can't handle that kind of heavy data use from more than a few customers. You're probably in the top 10% of data users abusers.


Uh, networks in my area are still crippled from excessive data use. They need higher capacity before they can offer that kind of pricing. Still, they definitely don't invest enough revenue in infrastructure enhancements. A lot of that is the fault of local governments that block towers from being built where they are needed most ("not in MY backyard!").

Do you work for verizon or something?

How could you possibly say 2 hours of HD streaming is excessive? Where do you come up with your 'standards'? Based on whatever amount YOU use?

Pandora, Netflix, Amazon all have apps. And last I checked I wasn't able to cache them over wifi, even if that were reasonable (which it isn't).

Funny you mention crippled networks:

http://arstechnica.com/business/201...rstechnica/index+(Ars+Technica+-+All+content)
 

podspi

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Do you work for verizon or something?

How could you possibly say 2 hours of HD streaming is excessive? Where do you come up with your 'standards'? Based on whatever amount YOU use?

Pandora, Netflix, Amazon all have apps. And last I checked I wasn't able to cache them over wifi, even if that were reasonable (which it isn't).

Funny you mention crippled networks:

http://arstechnica.com/business/201...rstechnica/index+(Ars+Technica+-+All+content)

There is a difference between wired and wireless networks, though. That article definitely conflates the two types, which is wrong in many geographic areas. Remember what it was like being a data user on AT&T after the iPhone took off?


In my experience, the caps on wired networks (so far) have been reasonable for consumers, but they are laying the groundwork (imho) to restrict streaming video providers like Netflix.
 

Thegonagle

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I have unlimited data on Verizon and guess what I'm doing...

I have my Verizon GNex set to portable hotspot, with my laptop and iPod touch conected. I'm browsing the net on the laptop, while the iPod is downloading about 600 MB of audio and video podcasts. The iPod is also streaming audio.

The best part is I'm at home ignoring a perfectly good WiFi network. :whiste:

Bazinga! :biggrin:

I'm only writing this because I think it's funny that someone is sure to be irritated when they read this, and I don't really care one bit.

(It's also 5:30 AM, so I'm confident I haven't been putting any notable strain on the backhaul and wireless infrastructure for the past several hours.)

Will they ever offer free nights and weekends for data?
 
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Ichinisan

Lifer
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Do you work for verizon or something?

How could you possibly say 2 hours of HD streaming is excessive? Where do you come up with your 'standards'? Based on whatever amount YOU use?
We're talking about 2hrs of HD video on a mobile network. I think it's acceptable once or twice if you had no other way to entertain yourself (even with all the Internet and apps at your disposal), but once on the way to work and again on the way back, every single day, is just too much.

Pandora, Netflix, Amazon all have apps. And last I checked I wasn't able to cache them over wifi, even if that were reasonable (which it isn't).
The apps are intended primarily for WiFi use until mobile networks can really handle it. It doesn't let you cache because of licensing agreements with content providers and because it's really intended for use on WiFi. The STB and game console versions don't let you cache.

In my area, AT&T's network barely functions well enough for my casual data use. I've seen obvious signs that it's due to capacity problems. I'm always mindful of using too much. If the networks *can* be upgraded to handle that kind of capacity, then I would have no problem with people using it as their primary Internet connection and streaming HD video all day long. In most areas (probably mine too), AT&T can't fix their capacity issues because every proposed tower gets shot-down by local "NIMBY" groups.
 

Chocu1a

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We're talking about 2hrs of HD video on a mobile network. I think it's acceptable once or twice if you had no other way to entertain yourself (even with all the Internet and apps at your disposal), but once on the way to work and again on the way back, every single day, is just too much.


The apps are intended primarily for WiFi use until mobile networks can really handle it. It doesn't let you cache because of licensing agreements with content providers and because it's really intended for use on WiFi. The STB and game console versions don't let you cache.


In my area, AT&T's network barely functions well enough for my casual data use. I've seen obvious signs that it's due to capacity problems. I'm always mindful of using too much. If the networks *can* be upgraded to handle that kind of capacity, then I would have no problem with people using it as their primary Internet connection and streaming HD video all day long. In most areas (probably mine too), AT&T can't fix their capacity issues because every proposed tower gets shot-down by local "NIMBY" groups.

Verizon actually sells their 4G lte as home internet replacement. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/homefusion/hf/main.do What is amazing is how much they charge for so little data. On Comcast I have 350gb per month for $50. Verizon is offering 30gb for $120 per month.
So, to say the provider can't support the infrastructure is false. They can, & want to, but at the same time rip off the customer.
 

grkM3

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Dirty pirate bragging like it's something to be proud of...

I actually own both these movies but don't feel like converting them over to my media hub.this way is much faster then spending 3 hours a movie ripping it.
 
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