Grandma Tased by Cop

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
For those of you with older parents or grandparents -- one question. Do you think that they would have complied with that officer? My parent's wouldn't have for sure. They are way too old for stupidness from an officer.

When you guys get that old, do you want to be bothered with that shit? I don't give a shit what she did. Tasering a person of that age could have killed her.

But he didn't give her bruises from trying to cuff her! No bruises is much more important than possibly killing her due to her age. I had a neighbor in her mid 70's fall getting the mail and broke her hip. A taser she would have definitely went down and probably ended up worse.

YES this old lady was in the wrong for not complying, but the Police Officer wasn't in the right, sorry but anyone who is still carrying on how it would have been impossible for a in shape, well trained man to easily take control of the situation without a taser is stupid. They should hire me, I could have slapped cuffs on her quick. Hell my nephew use to try to kick and bite me and hit me when I was cuffing him. He was 16 and in pretty good shape. 72? bah ha ha simple...

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Some people are pissed off at all cops because they got busted doing 90 in a 45 and can't grasp with the reality of taking the blame for their own stupidity and thusly villify all cops regardless of the facts. To them a cop could run into a burning building save 14 infant orphans, but still be a monster baby killing piece of shit, because he couldn't get one of them out in time.

Do you have a link to someone who actually believes this, or are you just making up a straw man argument?

How long have you been on anandtech, just go look at any thread about a cop. You'll find plenty of people that jump right in and bash cops for no good reason. They play the jump to conclusion game. They believe joe (or grandma) shmoe over a cop by only hearing the "victims" stance. And when the cops says it didn't go down the way they "victim" says the cop is lying. At least with this incident we have proof the "victim" was a lying piece of shit.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
At least with this incident we have proof the "victim" was a lying piece of shit.

That is 100% true, at least.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: amdhunter
For those of you with older parents or grandparents -- one question. Do you think that they would have complied with that officer? My parent's wouldn't have for sure. They are way too old for stupidness from an officer.

When you guys get that old, do you want to be bothered with that shit? I don't give a shit what she did. Tasering a person of that age could have killed her.

But he didn't give her bruises from trying to cuff her! No bruises is much more important than possibly killing her due to her age. I had a neighbor in her mid 70's fall getting the mail and broke her hip. A taser she would have definitely went down and probably ended up worse.

YES this old lady was in the wrong for not complying, but the Police Officer wasn't in the right, sorry but anyone who is still carrying on how it would have been impossible for a in shape, well trained man to easily take control of the situation without a taser is stupid. They should hire me, I could have slapped cuffs on her quick. Hell my nephew use to try to kick and bite me and hit me when I was cuffing him. He was 16 and in pretty good shape. 72? bah ha ha simple...

Dude. Shes not dead. Shes not even close to dead after this encounter. Quit bringing it up like she did die. Shes alive, well, and just fine. Just like 99% of the people who get tazed. Regardless of Age.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: amdhunter
For those of you with older parents or grandparents -- one question. Do you think that they would have complied with that officer? My parent's wouldn't have for sure. They are way too old for stupidness from an officer.

When you guys get that old, do you want to be bothered with that shit? I don't give a shit what she did. Tasering a person of that age could have killed her.

But he didn't give her bruises from trying to cuff her! No bruises is much more important than possibly killing her due to her age. I had a neighbor in her mid 70's fall getting the mail and broke her hip. A taser she would have definitely went down and probably ended up worse.

YES this old lady was in the wrong for not complying, but the Police Officer wasn't in the right, sorry but anyone who is still carrying on how it would have been impossible for a in shape, well trained man to easily take control of the situation without a taser is stupid. They should hire me, I could have slapped cuffs on her quick. Hell my nephew use to try to kick and bite me and hit me when I was cuffing him. He was 16 and in pretty good shape. 72? bah ha ha simple...

I think you're the only person who's still ranting about the word impossible. No one else has even used the word. Point is the woman bitched like a whiny brat. Why should people have to risk themselves or even get themselves struck at the expense of a whin brat?

Follow the rule and you're fine. Don't and you get hurt. Why is there any other point to be made here?

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Well, maybe he should have explained that. Maybe he did, but it sounded like he basically asked her to sign, then said it's not an admission of guilt, and jumped straight to arresting her. Not everyone has read up on every little law. I know that ignorance of the law isn't considered an excuse, but in this situation he has a responsibility to let her know the situation.

Agree with you. Technically he was justified in doing what he did. However, he should have known better. He should have realized that the public would frown upon doing that to an old lady, justified or not. He should have made an extra EXTRA effort to reason and talk to the lady before resorting to that.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

For everyone that thinks just because an officer is stronger and "better trained" than some random person off the street take a look at the following (GRAPHIC PIX):
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...hpoZRg?feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/sc...op#5345823103500964002
http://picasaweb.google.com/sc...op#5345823104547221922

They are of an officer that thought that because of his training that he could take a knife away from someone. That "little old lady" could have pulled a knife or gun on him if she was of that mind set. Had she pulled a gun she could have very well out shot that cop and dropped him in a heart beat. My CHL class all got punked by a 68 year old 5 foot nothing grandmother with a S&W J-frame.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Well, maybe he should have explained that. Maybe he did, but it sounded like he basically asked her to sign, then said it's not an admission of guilt, and jumped straight to arresting her. Not everyone has read up on every little law. I know that ignorance of the law isn't considered an excuse, but in this situation he has a responsibility to let her know the situation.

Agree with you. Technically he was justified in doing what he did. However, he should have known better. He should have realized that the public would frown upon doing that to an old lady, justified or not. He should have made an extra EXTRA effort to reason and talk to the lady before resorting to that.

Not his job to coddle people on the side of the highway. Once she refused to sign and was told that he would arrest her for not complying, He had no choice but to effect an arrest. The only person that can be blamed for this incident is the dumb woman.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
For everyone that thinks just because an officer is stronger and "better trained" than some random person off the street take a look at the following (GRAPHIC PIX):
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...hpoZRg?feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/sc...op#5345823103500964002
http://picasaweb.google.com/sc...op#5345823104547221922

They are of an officer that thought that because of his training that he could take a knife away from someone. That "little old lady" could have pulled a knife or gun on him if she was of that mind set. Had she pulled a gun she could have very well out shot that cop and dropped him in a heart beat. My CHL class all got punked by a 68 year old 5 foot nothing grandmother with a S&W J-frame.

Nice, now you're posting graphic pictures in order to generate "gross-out sympathy." :roll:

However I do agree that as long as he told her all the details of the situation (i.e., sign or be arrested), he was justified. She clearly heard and understood him because she taunted him and dared him to arrest her. So I have no sympathy for her. She's trying to play the "I'm a weak little old lady" card a bit too much. 72 isn't even THAT old... I've known some pretty fit and active people that age.

 

[Cogman]

"Please sign the ticket"
"no"
"Please step out of the car, you are under arrest"
"Put your hands behind your back"
"no"
"Put your hands behind your back"
"no"
"Put your hands behind your back or you will be tazed"
"no"

Um, yeah, she was completely defiant. I'm glad to see the officer handled the situation so well.

Here's how you handle being pulled over.

Cop: You know you where speeding.
You: I'm sorry, ect...
Cop: I'm going to give you a ticket, please sign here.
You: Ok.
Cop: Drive safely

Seriously, this whole situation would have been so much easier and quicker if they lady had just complied in the first place. But NOO, she had to defy him at every corner. It followed a logical progression given her responses. She is a moron.

 

[zerocool84]

It doesn't matter if your 72 or 17, you resist arrest, you're going to get arrested and possibly tased.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: spidey07
How many times and people still don't learn. Don't resist arrest and you'll be fine. Don't try to kill or assault a cop and you won't get shot.

It's really, really, simple.

And don't yell "what de fuck you want, muddafuacka?" when the officer approaches your car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Text

88 year old gunman! He ended up dying by police hands. Would you rather they said "Excuse me sir, can you drop the weapon? No? Well, you are 88 years old, you can't be too much of a problem. Let me just put these cuffs on you."? While obviously exaggerated a bit, it still shows that age has NOTHING to do with how deadly a person can be. The officer doesn't know what she has on her person and he doesn't know what she has in her vehicle. Just because a 72 year old woman is a Grandma does not mean the officer can assume she is the sweetest lady in the entire world. She can be just as deadly as a 25 year old woman.

The simple fact is cops CANNOT, as much as it pisses the arm-chair police officers of ATOT, go around assuming the best of people because when they do, they get their picture and a nice little blurb on The Officer Down Memorial Page. It seems a lot of you either forget or don't care that people die in this profession, a lot of times because they believed they were safe, and they let their guard down. Yes it's a chosen profession and it's a risk of the job, but no one deserves it. You have to CONSTANTLY be on guard because you never know when a simple traffic stop is going to escalate into something more. You are always thinking of the worst case scenarios because it keeps you alert, so you don't end up on that website.

As zerocool84 said, she didn't listen to an officer's commands, she resisted arrest, and tried to go back to her vehicle to possibly flee or get a weapon for all the officer knew. Those are grounds enough for her to get tased. The officer did nothing wrong, whether you like it or not. Could there have been a better solution? Possibly. But his solution was a valid and legal one, and he is going home at the end of the night because of it.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Amused
Cops do everything they can to AVOID physical contact with suspects because their weapons can be taken and used against them.

Yes, by standing right next to the lady and not moving until he was irritated enough to push her while she was just standing still (asking if she can sign the goddamn ticket, which he wouldn't let her), then yelling at her to get on the ground and tasing her because she was SUCH a menace and a threat :roll:

She didn't deserve to be arrested. There was no reason for the officer to ask her to step out of her vehicle. Even then, there's no reason the officer had to go any farther than say "okay" and hand her a pen when she was asking to sign the stupid ticket.

This cop deserves jail time.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Seriously, this whole situation would have been so much easier and quicker if they lady had just complied in the first place. But NOO, she had to defy him at every corner. It followed a logical progression given her responses. She is a moron.

Isn't that what police call "escalation"?

 

[XZeroII]

For those of you who believe tha tyou could easily have handcuffed her, can you easily handcuff her without exposing your sidearm and also without putting yourself or the suspect in danger? Remember, it's not street fighting rules. Every step you take will be scrutinized later in trial and if you so much as brushed against her boob, you will be punished. If you so much as stepped on her foot, you will be punished. If you so much as bumped her face, even lightly, you will be punished.

The officer definitely acted by the book, or at least as close to by the book as you can get.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Why does the video start in the middle of the encounter? I would have to see the full unedited video of how the woman acted from the moment he pulled her over to see if she deserved what she got.

There is no way she deserved that, period. The only thing a tiny old lady like that can say to a cop that justifies that is "I have a weapon and I'm gonna hurt you" and if she'd said that, he wouldn't have been acting the way he was at the beginning of the clip.

+1 No way an old lady deserved that. Biggest problem with the taser is the over use of the taser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv_7znbXn_0&NR=1

She didn't listen to an officer's commands, she resisted arrest, and trying to go back to her vehicle to possibly flee or get a weapon........she got exactly what she deserved.

lol grandma coming out with a shot gun I can see it now. Guess you never know. Have to take the precautions.

Personally I would have just held her in place and used a bit of physical force (no hitting). She did ask for it though, and at least it was the taser and not the gun. In this case even the night stick would of been worse.

 

[quackagator]

To bad she can't play the race game

 

[dud]

After watching the video ... she deserved it. You don't mess with a Texas lawman.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Amused
Cops do everything they can to AVOID physical contact with suspects because their weapons can be taken and used against them.

Yes, by standing right next to the lady and not moving until he was irritated enough to push her while she was just standing still (asking if she can sign the goddamn ticket, which he wouldn't let her), then yelling at her to get on the ground and tasing her because she was SUCH a menace and a threat :roll:

She didn't deserve to be arrested. There was no reason for the officer to ask her to step out of her vehicle. Even then, there's no reason the officer had to go any farther than say "okay" and hand her a pen when she was asking to sign the stupid ticket.

This cop deserves jail time.

Um, did you see the same video???

I suggest you rewatch it and read the thread.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: QueBert
We learned how to disarm a mugger with a gun using only our hands.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

it can be done. Its a proper technique, lots of training required. I have seen videos of it being done.

Are these videos you're referring to starring Jackie Chan? You are sooooo full of shit. Any self defense course is going to teach you that unless you're sure they're going to shoot you, if they're displaying a gun, you just give them what they ask for.

And, to think that anyone could be trained to unarm someone with a gun in a 3 hour self-defense class... lmao! If you spent those 3 hours ONLY working on that skill, you still wouldn't be good enough that attempting it resulted in less likelihood of harm to yourself.

 

[Mide]

He didn't do anything wrong...she was being noncompliant.

 

[coreyb]

It's a grandma! For god's sakes, you don't need a taser to get an old lady under arrest.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: dud
After watching the video ... she deserved it. You don't mess with a Texas lawman.

He's not a lawman, he's a police officer, which means he's a servant to the PEOPLE. Of course, that's the difference between a jack-boot thug and a police officer, who they think they are supposed to be serving. By the way, your signature is fucking retarded.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: dud
After watching the video ... she deserved it. You don't mess with a Texas lawman.

He's not a lawman, he's a police officer, which means he's a servant to the PEOPLE. Of course, that's the difference between a jack-boot thug and a police officer, who they think they are supposed to be serving. By the way, your signature is fucking retarded.

You are a fool if you believe this garbage.