>>> Granite Bay vs Canterwood (P4G8X-D vs IC7)

[oldfart]

in this case, GB outperforms it.

I wouldn't go that far. Almost every bench is exactly the same. The yshould perform ~ the same.

 

[Mikki]

Originally posted by: SupermanCK
would u think using the 533 chip would hinder the performance instead of a 800 chip?
keep at it thugs...

That's what I was wondering also....

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: oldfart

in this case, GB outperforms it.

I wouldn't go that far. Almost every bench is exactly the same. The yshould perform ~ the same.

oldfart ~ it took alot of work to get the IC7 running this well.
the P4G8X is the better board for -200fsb.

look at whats happening to performance when using the 800fsb NBS!
if you have a 800fsb cpu thats where youll start!

the IC7 does not overclock better then the P4G8X ~ both boards cr@p out at 180fsb (cpu limitation)
i do not recommend the IC7 yet.

if you want DCDDR on a 533cpu ~ get the P4G8X.
otherwise wait for better boards.

 

[Thor86]

Interesting, so you're saying for 800fsb cpus, this motherboard will automatically NBS to the lower performance?

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: Thor86
Interesting, so you're saying for 800fsb cpus, this motherboard will automatically NBS to the lower performance?

in SPD mode ~ yes.

 

[dbwillis]

um...whats NBS stand for?

 

[THUGSROOK]

NBS = northbridge strap

 

[dbwillis]

thanks..saw that from your other post ina thread a few up from this one...

 

[P4spooky]

Excellent information Thugs as usual. My Aopen AX4R+ and 2.4B is a keeper until these Canterwood issues are resolved. May be by then I might just as well wait for DDR-II

 

[Spicedaddy]

Is the performance difference with the different NBS only due to the slower memory timings, or is there something else?


And wouldn't you be able to run the 533FSB NBS with a 800FSB CPU and use the 1:1 ratio?

 

[snowwie]

you wanna sell it?

 

[oldfart]

I still cant see buying a GB @ this point. If they supported P4C..maybe. But since they dont, you are at a dead end if you ever plan on running an 800 MHz P4C CPU. The P4G8X also has slow cas timings unless you use the X-86 hacked BIOS or WCREDIT.

The perfomance between the two is basically identical. The 875/865 has the P4C support and SATA in the ICH5 SB. Those are major advantages.

Hopefully, the current issues will be corrected with BIOS updates and the 875/865 boards will really shine.

 

[THUGSROOK]

hehe ~ thats true

but its different when you have both boards sitting infront of you, and you have to choose one.

 

[oldfart]

I dont have that luxury. I'm just hoping I will like the IC7 as much as the Albatron 845PE. My CPU can do ~ 170 FSB, so that should not be a problem. I can run 2-2-2-5 @ that FSB?

I'll agree the 875/865 boards are not there now. Not what I'm used to from Intel. They should improve with some BIOS updates (hope so anyway). If you want DC DDR and an upgrade to P4C, they are the only game in town.

Overclockers.com put up an article about the Canterwood issues. Check out who got a mention.

 

[THUGSROOK]

hehe ~ oldfart got recognized for frying a MSI moboard and psu

quite a few reported explosions there....

 

[oldfart]

I think MSI should bundle safety goggles with their mobos.

Anyone remember when MSI crashed Anandtech?

 

[THUGSROOK]

on the IC7....

i tested the XMS3200LL @ 400ddr cas2225 (160fsb 4:5 n/bs533), and it needed 2.7v to pass M86.
i also installed some KHX ram and it defaulted to cas 2336 (cause of the buggy N/BS)

ill havta reinstall the P4G8X to test the KHX memory

 

[jpetermann]

Thugs,

Got my IC7 installed with my Twinmos/Winbond and my ram defaults to 2.5-2-2-6 in the 533 N/BS. Nice board though. Can't wait to see your results on the 2GB of ram...

 

[maxSe]

Hey THUGS, is that 512MB modules of KHX? Hmm.. I gotta put my sticks in and see which timing IC7 sets it to... My IC7 sets 256MB modules of KHX to 2-2-2-6...

On the other note, I recently went Buffalo hunting... (Buffalo Tech Winbond BH-5 - 512MB variety) Strangest thing is that no matter which NBS I use, it all defaults to 2.5-3-3-7 :Q :disgust:... I think I'll have to put up my IT7 back up and see what these ram can truly do...

LOL oldfart, I remember when AT crashed because of MSI... seems like ages ago though... (must be gettin' old... )

 

[tranceport]

p4g8x w00t

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: maxSe
Hey THUGS, is that 512MB modules of KHX?

yes 4x 512mb KHX ~ testing 2 at a time then ill try all 4

M86'ing 2048mb of ram ~ thats gonna take awhile :Q

 

[Mikki]

Sounds like you've been busy Thugsrook, look forward to the tests....

 

[Thor86]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK

M86'ing 2048mb of ram ~ thats gonna take awhile :Q

Good lord, you have lots of patience.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Anyone besides me believe that a test is needed with a 800 FSB CPU? I am just wondering the actual performance when a true 800 FSB is used, not just the NBSTRAP set to 800. I would expect that setting the NB strap to 800 when the FSB is not running at that speed would easily give you the performance decrease you are finding due to the fact that they are out of sync, when the NB believes that it should be completely in sync and would use different communication algorithms to the effect that they are suppose to be in sync...

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: Fallen Kell
I would expect that setting the NB strap to 800 when the FSB is not running at that speed would easily give you the performance decrease you are finding due to the fact that they are out of sync, when the NB believes that it should be completely in sync and would use different communication algorithms to the effect that they are suppose to be in sync...

huh?