Granite Bay

[TenEgg]

heh...if you can get your fsb to run 200mhz, then your DDR will run at 400

 

[touchmyichi]

Yeah but will 333 run? I really need to know cause i only have 15 days to return these 2 sticks of 256 pc 2700. Like I said before i'd be happy if it ran at the 266 speed. O yeah and t strike the deluxe just has a ton of new features thats all.

 

[touchmyichi]

lol i mean like the deluxe has more extra features.

 

[Toymaker]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I want to say to Evan this was a very nice review and the tops of the 5 I have read...I love the fact you listened to some of the thoughts in this thread...I think you showed will what I and some others were stating...This is mainly for the overclockers who can really stand to gain a lot of potential bandwidth......

Yes, Evan. I was very impressed as well. Thanks.

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
assuming you have a good enough processor, you can run your memory at DDR333 (dual channel). However, since dual DDR266 already maxes out the bandwidth that 533MHz FSB Pentium 4 processors can handle, there's no need to overclock unless, of course, you're an overclocker.

hehe

 

[TenEgg]

eah but will 333 run? I really need to know cause i only have 15 days to return these 2 sticks of 256 pc 2700.

I see no reason why it won't run at 266.

 

[Jamie571]

The Deluxe has over the regular is:
-SATA
-IEEE 1394
-GigaBit LAN

 

[Jamie571]

Ohh...I forgot one
-Post Reporter

 

[senior guy]

While it's not a GB board 'shootout', IMHO Tomshardware GB Review provides truly excellent insight.

 

[OverclockTHIS]

Originally posted by: senior guy
While it's not a GB board 'shootout', IMHO Tomshardware GB Review provides truly excellent insight.

I agree...basically he said GB sucks...and one is better off waiting for the next chipset by Intel...
No official DDR 333 support?

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: OverclockTHIS

Originally posted by: senior guy
While it's not a GB board 'shootout', IMHO Tomshardware GB Review provides truly excellent insight.

I agree...basically he said GB sucks...and one is better off waiting for the next chipset by Intel...
No official DDR 333 support?

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to characterize Tom's conclusion as harshly as you put it, but rather that GB is disappointing. IMHO, if you want a DCDDR board it's best to wait for SiS655 (all of the worthwhile attributes of GB + DDR333)! The boards should start appearing next month.

 

[oldfart]

Another THG guide that totally misses the point. Its been made so many times now, I don't understand why people don't get it.

A P4 @ 533 FSB needs 4.2 GB/sec bandwidth for maximum performance. DC DDR @ 266 MHz provide 4.2 GB/sec, same as PC1066. More mem BW is not needed. Running the memory @ 333 MHz with a mem multiplier wont provide any additional performance. The asynchronous timing would likely slow it down.

I guess the DC DDR333 will appeal to the same crowd that must have AGP 8X and ATA133.

 

[TheCoz]

Originally posted by: senior guy
IMHO, if you want a DCDDR board it's best to wait for SiS655 (all of the worthwhile attributes of GB + DDR333)! The boards should start appearing next month.

Dual-channel DDR333 mode (4:5 memory ratio) doesn't interest me at all. We know from the nForce that trying to cram a ton of memory bandwidth into a smaller FSB bandwidth doesn't work. DCDDR333 provides 5.4GB/s of memory bandwidth, the FSB bandwidth at 533FSB is only 4.27GB/s, the FSB is a bottleneck in this situation and performance benefits are minimal (if any). Plus, running your mem clock asynchronously from your system bus clock is NOT good for your latencies - it will increase them. So, with DCDDR333 you're looking at wasted memory bandwidth and higher latencies - not the recipe for better performance I think.

However, SiS may produce a superior memory controller than GB's and it could be a quicker chipset - you never know! I won't say the SiS 655 is better or worse than GB right now until I see reviews and numbers but there's no reason that dual-channel DDR333 should offer any performance benefits. Then again, to make their decision to implement a DCDDR333 mode look like a good one they may cripple their DCDDR266 mode. For me, DCDDR333 is all about marketing. If anyone can give me some solid technical reasons why DCDDR333 is better than DCDDR266 then I'd like to hear them (seriously).

We will have to wait for a review of the Asus P4SDX to answer all these questions. I think Abbas at TBreak has one so I wouldn't be surprised to see a review within a week. Let's hope Evan has something for us soon as well.

 

[SupermanCK]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
assuming you have a good enough processor, you can run your memory at DDR333 (dual channel). However, since dual DDR266 already maxes out the bandwidth that 533MHz FSB Pentium 4 processors can handle, there's no need to overclock unless, of course, you're an overclocker.

hehe

yup yup...

 

[TheCoz]

Originally posted by: oldfart
Another THG guide that totally misses the point. Its been made so many times now, I don't understand why people don't get it.

A P4 @ 533 FSB needs 4.2 GB/sec bandwidth for maximum performance. DC DDR @ 266 MHz provide 4.2 GB/sec, same as PC1066. More mem BW is not needed. Running the memory @ 333 MHz with a mem multiplier wont provide any additional performance. The asynchronous timing would likely slow it down.

I guess the DC DDR333 will appeal to the same crowd that must have AGP 8X and ATA133.

Phew, I thought I was the only person who didn't think DCDDR333 was a great idea. My feelings exactly Mr Fart sir.

 

[oldfart]

Why do we all know this but THG doesn't??

 

[TheCoz]

Originally posted by: oldfart
Why do we all know this but THG doesn't??

Because Bert and Uwe (THG reviewers) like 'der krakpipe' a little too much.

 

[mcveigh]

Originally posted by: TheCoz

Originally posted by: oldfart
Why do we all know this but THG doesn't??

Because Bert and Uwe (THG reviewers) like 'der krakpipe' a little too much.

now that's funny

 

[nealh]

did I miss something why did Tom compared OCed 845PE at 176 to nonoced GB board...seems unfair and slanted....why not show the sam board at 176 or at least 150fsb....

I understand comparing it to DDR333 845PE which Dual channel DDR at 133 beat..if make a comparison of this cost is similar...DDR 333 is more than DDR266 and I bet if you factor that in the cost of GB mobo with my old crucial pc2100 DDR is nearly the same as 854PE with DDR333 and if I overclock I will get better performance....

I think he is missing the boat big time....

 

[Elvis2]

want to know as well, cause i currently have 2 sticks of corsair 512mb, pc3200....will it run dr266?

Why wouldn't it run?

I have 1 stick of that ram (XMS3200C2) in my Gigabyte 8SG667 and have ran it @ 266, 333, & 400 without any problems. To tell the truth, I couldn't tell any performance difference in any games or other programs. Only when I memory benched it in Sandra or ran 3DM2K1 did I see any difference in performance scores.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: nealh
did I miss something why did Tom compared OCed 845PE at 176 to nonoced GB board...seems unfair and slanted....why not show the sam board at 176 or at least 150fsb....

I understand comparing it to DDR333 845PE which Dual channel DDR at 133 beat..if make a comparison of this cost is similar...DDR 333 is more than DDR266 and I bet if you factor that in the cost of GB mobo with my old crucial pc2100 DDR is nearly the same as 854PE with DDR333 and if I overclock I will get better performance....

I think he is missing the boat big time....

That wasn't FSB, it was memory speed.

He showed the 178 score because most PE boards allow for a 3:4 divider so you can run memory at 355, and it wasn't much slower than dual 266.

 

[gmoss]

On the new ASUS GB Board it has the below ATA ports.

-2 x Serial ATA Ports(Deluxe Edition)

Does this mean that the Promise controler only supports 2 serial drives OR that each port supports 2 serial drives for a total of 4 seral drives? If the later is true I guess you could get 2 normal drives on the first connector (leaving 2 CDR devices) and only serial on the Promise raid ports. Seems like that are a tad early with the serial ports when the serial drives are not really out.

Gary

 

[nervagent55]

is springdale worth waiting for?

 

[First]

Thanks for all the kind words guys, it means a lot.

Btw, I just got in MSI's Granite Bay board. I'll probably have a review in the next few weeks.

 

[TheCoz]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Btw, I just got in MSI's Granite Bay board. I'll probably have a review in the next few weeks.

Which MSI GB board is that Evan? The E7205 Master-L(MS-9126) or the GNB Max(MS-6565)?

Cheers.